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9:03 pm
September 20, 2009
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Palores
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marhak asked. how come "Cornish for Beginners" is in KK?
Oh dear, this question and Eddie-C's post shows just how out of touch they are with mainstream Cornish.
"Cornish for Beginners", in KK and published by the Cornish Language Board, is not PAS Pool's book,
but a quite different book, newer and IMHO better.
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10:25 pm
September 20, 2009
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Eddie-C said:
'Cornish for Beginners' in KK? If so, then it sounds like someone need suing for breach of copyright. Certainly, everything I've ever heard about the late Peter Pool, or read in his writings, corroborates what Marhak asserts.
But you're both barking up the wrong tree! The original post was not about Peter Pool's book. Marhak's assertions are true, as far as I know, but it's an irrelevant reply to the post because he's talking about a different book.
Perhaps the whole publishing record of the KKesva needs scrutinising, to make sure that they haven't –inadvertently, perhaps– broken the law in this regard.
I agree with you Eddie-C. I see no other way of putting an end to these silly insinuations, frequently posted on C24, one might think, to deepen discord in the Cornish movement. Let's see an end to them, with a proper scrutiny of the publishing record of the KKesva.
After all, another late author who despised KK (yet who has many of his works in print in KK) is Myghan Palmer. Surely, the KKesva will have written and witnessed consent from either him or the executors of his estate for what they've done to his creations.
Surely. Yes?
Myghan Palmer (who usually called himself Myghal  ) didn't despise KK! What evidence is there for that? He just didn't use it. It's a very reasonable position to take – I, for example, don't use Unified, but I certainly don't despise it.
You may be thinking about his approach to UCR – after he'd had Rebellyans converted to UCR he said he'd never have anything else converted to it. But even then, I'm fairly certain he didn't despise UCR. Just had a bad experience with it and didn't want to use it.
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10:43 pm
September 20, 2009
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Well in fact the Kesva did publish Pool's book too, although all their stocks of UC books were given to Ray Chubb years ago.
The new book is here, or would be if it were in stock :
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cornis…..1902917421
No cover pic, no publisher's blurb, no buyers' reviews telling us that it's the best thing since sliced bread … Bad Show Chaps, no wonder no one knows about the book. Who are they paying to promote/distribute it?
Kesva's web site is down too, so the link from my site to their booklist is out (and it was last week too, so it's not a temporary glitch). Looks like someone forgot to renew the sub for the web address since I get an 'unknown address' message — who's getting paid for that?
Not that widely available by the look of things :
http://www.bookfinder.com/sear…..mp;src=dir
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11:06 pm
September 20, 2009
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I'm afraid you are wrong. Myghal Palmer loathed KK. But, then, I only knew the guy so what do I know?
So the Cornish Language Board has published two completely different books – with the same title. Right . . . Mainstream Cornish? Has the Kesva actually published something in the SWF then? Didn't see anything in the MAGA newsletter about it. On the other hand, Agan Tavas (who, in the gospel according to Keith, don't publish anything) have brand new Language Ladder course books available in SWF/K, SWF/T and KS.
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11:12 pm
September 20, 2009
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factotum
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Looking a few older Cornish language books, published by the Kesva, and by others, no one seemed to be very bothered by copyrights in those days. As Jenner himself put it, "there's no money in it", so why should they? There is a distinct lack of copyright declarations in most cases. Were the rights assigned to the publisher, or were they just licensed, if so what were the terms, certainly it's unlikely that authors were paid. I doubt if in most cases there were any formal arrangements.
So if anyone starts getting 'legal' about all this stuff, then really the language will be the loser big-time, and the lawyers will dine out for months at the expense of all of us, while they debate what agreements might be presumed to have held betweens the parties.
Things have of course changed. In the past Cornish books were printed locally and hawked around a handful of local outlets, or sat with their staples rusting in someone's garage. That's all changed for good. You can finalise your pdf on monday and pretty well have the book available world-wide by the following friday. Let this be a wake-up call.
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11:14 pm
September 20, 2009
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In case you hadn't noticed, Keith, Agan Tavas and its associates woke up at the beginning of the year (how many books published this year?)
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11:18 pm
September 20, 2009
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There seems to be a lot of ignorance in some quarters about KK publications,
Pool's book has the same title but the format is very different, in fact it is more of a grammar book. The Kesva Publication, is much better and very similar to the Agan Tavas stuff, the Kesva has other publications which are perfectly acceptable so there is no need to run out and run off some books, any chimp can rework them into the SWF ancient and Modern.
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11:21 pm
September 20, 2009
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spellyans
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Taran shouts
'I thought you were banned anyway you little shit stirring fascist.'
you are the name caller Taran not me, so you should be banned, as being totally abusive on this site,
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11:28 pm
September 20, 2009
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Eddie and Marhak again prove their ignorance about Cornish, and it's publications. it is sad that people who are apparently very prominent in the revival know less than an idiot and fascist as my self.
The KK book called 'Cornish for Beginners' was written by Graham Sandercock, just search under is name in Amazon.co.uk.
Why is it that Eddie and Marhak are so lazy in their posts, they never check their facts first, even when the evidences is there by just doing a simple internet search, just like Marhak's unfounded accusations about MAGA only promoting the SWF/M 'Skeul an Tavas', when anyone with the link could see this was untrue, and of course Marhak did not provide the link on his post so lazy.!
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11:33 pm
September 20, 2009
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spellyans
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Oh by the way Taran how do you know that I was referring to the SWF/T when I mentioned Ancient
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