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8:14 pm
October 20, 2009


saxonscum

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Having perused some of the topics on this forum, one subject seems to crop up more than once: the question of Cornwall's self government.

I don't pretend to understand all the issues involved, but one question I would like answered is: given an ideal world, how exactly would Cornwall run itself? And where would you start?

This is a serious question – I'm not trolling, or flaming, or whatever you call it – and I would appreciate some serious answers from people who know what they're talking about. Thank you.

8:42 pm
October 20, 2009


zennorman

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I think the starting point – which the media perpetuate – is that 'self government' means independence rather than devolution. There are many parts of GB whih have achieved devolution and regions throughout the world which have devolved government with a population smaller than Cornwall 

9:06 pm
October 20, 2009


saxonscum

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Appreciate your time, zennorman. Would not, however, devolved government still involve a certain amount of interference from central government, ie Westminster?

I only ask because it appears, from the little I have read about this subject, that any decision or strategy approved locally (Truro, for instance) might well be vetoed in London.

9:59 pm
October 20, 2009


T2reloaded

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The bottom line is that Cornwall is a NATION with its own culture, heratage and language. It also has a CONSTITUTION as enshrined in the stannery charters, there are many nations smaller than Cornwall both in size and population, no one questions their right to exist nor do they have the loving yoke of 'mother England' around their necks, many of these nations are not blessed with the natural resorses that Cornwall has, ether in terms of minerals, landscape or farmland so how do they survive? simple they have not had the English looting them for hundreds of years, and they call that support.YellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYellYell

11:50 pm
October 20, 2009


saxonscum

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Fair play, T2. I don't think size/population has a lot to do with the price of bacon, however. If you can stand on your own two feet, you can stand on your own two feet, as you rightly point out.
Perhaps I had better refer you to my original question. I am interested to know how the process towards independence, or devolution if you prefer, would work. How would it be achieved? Would there be free voting and for which parties?
I am persuaded that the 'Celtic fringe' as it has been referred to, of what are currently termed the British Isles, or the United Kingdom, should go their own way, as should England. Scotland has its own assembly, as does Wales and I believe strongly that the British Army should be withdrawn from Northern Ireland on the promise that a referendum will determine whether Ulster and the Republic should be merged. However, Cornwall, should it also wish to run its own affairs, would have to work from ground zero. How would the situation of having to start from nothing be resolved? And, crucially, by whom?

11:56 pm
October 20, 2009


saxonscum

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I should also add, perhaps, that I am a devout Republican, but that's another story.

11:57 pm
October 20, 2009


P_Tre'nbagh

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saxonscum said:

Having perused some of the topics on this forum, one subject seems to crop up more than once: the question of Cornwall's self government.

I don't pretend to understand all the issues involved, but one question I would like answered is: given an ideal world, how exactly would Cornwall run itself? And where would you start?

This is a serious question – I'm not trolling, or flaming, or whatever you call it – and I would appreciate some serious answers from people who know what they're talking about. Thank you.

As zennorman already mentioned, the thing to remember is that there are many different levels of "Self Government", and Independence does not mean the same as Isolation.

The main problem is that before any form of discussion can take place regarding what level of "Self Government" Cornwall should/could/would end up with, we need to have recognition.

Recognition will/should lead to all that is best for Cornwall, whilst recognition is being continually refused us by, for want of a better term, the English establishment, reasoned discussion on an form of government for Cornwall is looked on as no more than "pub talk", wishful thinking that can be ignored, or used by some for political gain with no intention of following through. It is recognition that will give us the clout that we need to move on.

Once that recognition is achieved, then surely, it is up to the people of Cornwall to then decide what form of government is best for them, as long as it is democratic. Whether it be the maintenance of the Duchy and Stannary Parliament, or a Republic, or something in between, is something that we can only really discuss when we have the recognition, and the facts to hand.

saxonscum said:

 Would not, however, devolved government still involve a certain amount of interference from central government, ie Westminster?

Is there any government that does not involve a "certain amount of interference" from another government or organisation these days, to some degree or other?

Working together is fine, being subservient to, is not so fine though.

Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something. It is apathy that is the enemy of us all.

12:16 am
October 21, 2009


saxonscum

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Thanks Mr Tre'bagh, that was particulary helpful – and also to the other two posters.

If anyone else wants to add anything, feel free.

2:22 am
October 21, 2009


Graham Hart

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Only to say : Brilliant post Paddy Cool and welcome to the board saxonscum Smile

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2:32 am
October 21, 2009


kevrenor

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P_Tre'nbagh said:
Once that recognition is achieved, then surely, it is up to the people of Cornwall to then decide what form of government is best for them, as long as it is democratic. Whether it be the maintenance of the Duchy and Stannary Parliament, or a Republic, or something in between, is something that we can only really discuss when we have the recognition, and the facts to hand.

If I may, as an outsider, albeit of Cornish stock and of the nationalist bent, that having returned recently from an all too short visit to Kernow I am struck by the apparent fragility of Cornish identity on the surface. It is indeed 'recognition' of the Cornish within the the UK (as they/we) are in an ethnic sense in other parts of the world) that is most pressing .. and perhaps hardest to achieve.

You are quite right …

I have sympathy for those who see the constitutional question as paramount … indeed in achieving 'self-government' the public uncertainty of Kernow's legal position will have to be resolved … but recognition both governmental and in the public mind is crucial.

It is certainly not helpful when commentators give succour to opponents by playing the 'independence' card at every opportunity. There are lots of options open to the Cornish … if only they knew of them, and are given the opportunity to explore them.
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