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Come the revolution…

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11:46 am
October 21, 2009


youngcornwall

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"Come the revolution"

I would say the First thing should be, find out how many of those who live in Cornwall are actually interested.

Not by using any loaded questionnaire Mori poll, or from a few meaningful people on a message board chewing over the same old fat time and time again.

Until there is an official referendum, which needs people power getting people organised to achieve this, everything else is just sabre rattling.    

12:45 pm
October 21, 2009


Bucca boo

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Unless Cornwall discovered its own oil/alternative power Cornwall would be an impoverished Nation probably akin to somewhere like Portugal. Examples of well off  states without a power resource can be found , such as Luxembourg and maybe Switzerland, however they have an established history of  banking ,finance and commerce to buoy thier economies. So nationhood would come at a real cost to the standard of living.

As Young Cornwall says there really is a question mark over who the residents of Cornwal deem themselves to be. With incomers having arrived here in droves since 18c, with the tin mining boom, continuing to day with retirees. The average man on the street accepts he lives in an English county  even though some of them could  be  highly celtic  in the dna stakes.  For devolvement to work surely you need the majority to support that move {and to the average person it is not high on thier list of things to have done} Put simply , you can have all the evidence in the world that Cornwall is constitutionally seperate but if the people prefer the current English regime  then no change will take place.

Leading on from that you would need to persuade people that devolvement would be advantagous and if we look at Scotland and Wales it would appear, to me at least, that all they have done is created further beauracracy with very little benefit.

Lastly I 'd have to question weather those who would most desire devolvement are sophisticated enough to actually make it work. Reading this forum you quickly come to realise that the 'Cornish movement' seem to have the vision of a welders dog  when it comes to matters of commerce and even more so on tourism which is currently the main stay of the county

1:13 pm
October 21, 2009


JezzaReballsed

Cornwall

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SaxonScum are you really a Saxon or just Scum?

Talk All of eee Common Sense!

1:19 pm
October 21, 2009


JezzaReballsed

Cornwall

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We have all this bollocks in Cornwall. Some people moaning year in year out – they want a pariliament they want this and that.


When it comes to action or making a firm decision they are not big on it.

Why should I as a law abiding Englishman with a grandfather of Cornish decent, why should I be treated any less? Then there's people moaning about English blow ins then talking about racism LOL

Talk All of eee Common Sense!

2:04 pm
October 21, 2009


Graham Hart

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With regard to the last three posts : You are trying to move away from recognition in a very troll like manner.

YC. You can't ask the people what they want unless they are aware of ALL he facts, which to date have been witheld.

Buccaboo – Recognition before we can get anything else, understand ? Your comment re a welders dog is insulting and shows your ignorance on what is happening.

What's happening ? Plenty.Smile

Jezza – Get a life, pathetic little troll that you are.

The More You Give – The More You Get

2:33 pm
October 21, 2009


HeamoorMan

Kernow

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GrahamHart said:

With regard to the last three posts : You are trying to move away from recognition in a very troll like manner.

YC. You can't ask the people what they want unless they are aware of ALL he facts, which to date have been witheld.

Buccaboo – Recognition before we can get anything else, understand ? Your comment re a welders dog is insulting and shows your ignorance on what is happening.

What's happening ? Plenty.Smile

Jezza – Get a life, pathetic little troll that you are.


Here! Here!  Graham Hart!


Bucca Boo said..quote" The average man on the street accepts he lives in an English county  even though some of them could  be  highly celtic  in the dna stakes.  For devolvement to work surely you need the majority to support that move {and to the average person it is not high on thier list of things to have done} Put simply , you can have all the evidence in the world that Cornwall is constitutionally seperate but if the people prefer the current English regime  then no change will take place.

Unquote…..thats beause that average man on the street you mention Bucca Boo who you say accepts that he lives in an English County,and prefers the English regime, is probably Just that, English and not Cornish! and anti Cornish at that,, ask a proud born and bred Cornishman/woman if he/she lives in an English County I'd bet 9 times out of ten you would get the exact opposite answer!!    Cornish not English…

Kernow Bys Vyken!!

RegardsnHeamoorMan

2:42 pm
October 21, 2009


marhak

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Indeed, all too many facts have been deliberately suppressed, which is what John Angarrack's three books have been about.  The Whitehall establishment is obviously worried about that, hence the police confiscation of those books during their totally unwarranted armed raids on law-abiding Cornishmen.

Extant law already gives us our own parliament and its rights to vetos over Acts/Statutes of the Westminster Parliament.  Whitehall chooses to ignore and suppress those, as it has done ever since the Act of Uniformity 1549.

As for small independent states – I never heard that the Faroe Islands or San Marino operated tax havens, etc.  And yet they manage despite being a damn sight smaller than Cornwall.

How come we can't talk about English blow-ins (such as the second home owners of Helford banding together to a effectively put local fishermen out of business), when we can be subject to appallingly vicious racial attacks in the National Press such as those in recent years by Giles Coren and Petronella Wyatt?  Why can't I object to subsidising the council tax demands on their second homes?  How come Cornish people are forever being asked to justify their Cornishness, but English people are never asked to justify their given identity?  And the totally blinkered likes of Jezza moan on about "racial discrimination" by Cornish people!  Words fail me.

Come on, Jezza, etc.  Answer that lot.

3:17 pm
October 21, 2009


Nicky.ker

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The first step should be sorting out regional governance in England. England needs regional devolution as it's far too big to be a devolved area in itself – an English Parliament would be pointless as it'd just be the UK without the Celtic bits. Devolution in England needs to be to regions that people identify with, not artificial ones imposed from above, and not ones that cross huge economic divides as in the case of Cornwall and the rest of the South West England region.

I would like to see a special Cornwall county-region, a bit like city-states seen around the world (plus the UK already has one city-region, London). There is also a precedent of an EU state having regions of varying population and area, e.g. Germany. The regions could then work in a way similar to Spain's autonomous communities, in that each region can have varying degrees of autonomy depending on its needs. That would give Cornwall greater control over its economy and development, and action regarding Cornish culture, language, etc can be made in Cornwall instead of London.

Cornwall would then have a level of autonomy that enables it to make decisions regarding its constitutional status.

3:18 pm
October 21, 2009


youngcornwall

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GrahamHart said

YC. You can't ask the people what they want unless they are aware of ALL he facts, which to date have been witheld.

Well what an excellent place to start from.

1/ What are ALL these FACTS

2/ Who is withholding All these FACTS

If the answers to 1/ are interesting enough to the public they would then be of the opinion to go after those who are withholding all the facts.

But if no one knows ALL these FACTS but just think they exist, we could be in a state of who is fooling who or the chase is better than the catch situation.    

3:30 pm
October 21, 2009


Mike

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My preference for government of Cornwall would be devolution on at least a par with Wales, preferably with the powers of the devolved government of Scotland.