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3:36 pm
October 21, 2009


Graham Hart

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youngcornwall said:

GrahamHart said

YC. You can't ask the people what they want unless they are aware of ALL he facts, which to date have been witheld.

Well what an excellent place to start from.

1/ What are ALL these FACTS

2/ Who is withholding All these FACTS

If the answers to 1/ are interesting enough to the public they would then be of the opinion to go after those who are withholding all the facts.

But if no one knows ALL these FACTS but just think they exist, we could be in a state of who is fooling who or the chase is better than the catch situation.    


You feckin idiot.


Nicky.ker. All you say is totally irrellevent before recognition of OUR Country. I really have'nt the time or the interest to consider  England's woes.Frown

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3:38 pm
October 21, 2009


Graham Hart

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Mike said:My preference for government of Cornwall would be devolution on at least a par with Wales, preferably with the powers of the devolved government of Scotland.


But until you get recognition it just won't happen Mike.

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3:58 pm
October 21, 2009


Nicky.ker

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GrahamHart said:

Nicky.ker. All you say is totally irrellevent before recognition of OUR Country. I really have'nt the time or the interest to consider  England's woes.Frown


Making the argument that Cornwall already isn't part of England, however true it may or may not be according to historical texts, is not going to get us anywhere. Like it or lump it, it just isn't. There is an international system at work here. States don't suddenly give up part of their territory or rework their internal structure of governance just because of some long-unknown constitutional peculiarity.

However, the argument for county-region status during the English regionalisation process would be strengthened if we could prove that there is an undeniable legal basis for granting Cornwall autonomy.

4:29 pm
October 21, 2009


Kerrow

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Nicky. ker said:

However, the argument for county-region status during the English regionalisation process would be strengthened if we could prove that there is an undeniable legal basis for granting Cornwall autonomy.

 

Yes, I agree.


The Welsh Assembly has control over things that affect people's lives like health, the economy and education. It is these things that need to be brought in so they are run from within Cornwall, to the benefit of those who actually live in Cornwall. 

It's notable that this seems to be how Cornwall Council Chief Exec Kevin Lavery is thinking, as a recent interview showed:


KL:And the prize for me here is devolution, so that the people of Cornwall have more control over their own affairs.

BC: Do you think Cornwall has enough control at the moment?

KL: No, not at all. It should have greater influence…

BC: Who controls Cornwall? Is it Whitehall? The RDA?

KL: If you look at the total spend in public services in Cornwall, you’ll probably find the Council is about a quarter of the total value. There’s a lot of money spent on health, JobCentre Plus, the Ministry of Defence, the development agency and so on and so forth. I’m not saying the Council should have control of all of that, but it should have much more control than it does.


http://www.businesscornwall.co…..lavery-123


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Only 25% of the total spend in Cornwall is determined from within Cornwall. That's disgraceful.


And this is the important new doc from Bert Biscoe and the Cornish Constitutional Convention which, as I understand it, is saying Cornwall isn't doing anything, and isn't going anywhere until the Cornish are properly respected and recognised.


The Next Push:


http://www.cornishassembly.org…..xtPush.pdf

4:31 pm
October 21, 2009


youngcornwall

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GrahamHart said

youngcornwall said:

GrahamHart said

YC. You can't ask the people what they want unless they are aware of ALL he facts, which to date have been witheld.

Well what an excellent place to start from.

1/ What are ALL these FACTS

2/ Who is withholding All these FACTS

If the answers to 1/ are interesting enough to the public they would then be of the opinion to go after those who are withholding all the facts.

But if no one knows ALL these FACTS but just think they exist, we could be in a state of who is fooling who or the chase is better than the catch situation.    


You feckin idiot.

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Well that has made it so much clearer. I take it by that you have something to sell the public but do not know what it is yet, but it will be alright on the night.  


4:58 pm
October 21, 2009


Graham Hart

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Making the argument that Cornwall already isn't part of England, however true it may or may not be according to historical texts, is not going to get us anywhere. Like it or lump it, it just isn't.

Bullshit. 


There is an international system at work here. States don't suddenly give up part of their territory or rework their internal structure of governance just because of some long-unknown constitutional peculiarity.


Agreed, but that does'nt mean it should go unchallenged.


Well that has made it so much clearer. I take it by that you have something to sell the public but do not know what it is yet………. 

No. You don't know what it is.

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5:04 pm
October 21, 2009


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Marhak Faroe islands are pretty much dependent on Denmark with a large portion of funding from them. Also they would seem to be enjoying a demographic timebomb with thier youngsters moving to Denmark and the population becomng more middle aged. Thier economy is almost entirely dependent on fishing which makes them extremely vulnerable.

Is that the sort of thing you've got in mind for Cornwall? An important difference as pertains to this thread is that 91% of Faorese residents are from Faroe islands.

San Marinos  economy is , arguably, so pegged to the Italians as makes no difference  -its italian but has a  border- worth noting that 50% of it's economy is from tourism and most of the residents are Sanmarinese.

Graham , my observations  based on the more Cornish centric posters of this forum , namely that they  have  the economic nouse of an Icelandic banker still hold true, what you find insulting is a matter for you and i cannot take responsibility for your sensibilities. Cornish economics is worthy of it's own thread.

I quite like the sound of Nicky Kerrs idea on regionalisation and it's interesting to note that Graham H  dose'nt like it .Why?

Probably because it waters down the separtists moves to be devolved . The separatists want whats good for them what may or may not be good for Cornwall is of secondary importance.


5:12 pm
October 21, 2009


Graham Hart

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Why do you find it so difficult to understand that I am Cornish and not English or a regionalist ? Confused

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9:00 pm
October 21, 2009


zennorman

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youngcornwall said:

"Come the revolution"

I would say the First thing should be, find out how many of those who live in Cornwall are actually interested.

Not by using any loaded questionnaire Mori poll, or from a few meaningful people on a message board chewing over the same old fat time and time again.

Until there is an official referendum, which needs people power getting people organised to achieve this, everything else is just sabre rattling.    


Young Cornwall – the MORI poll and the 50,000 signatures showed clear support for a Cornish Assembly but the Liberal Democrats at the time did not have the guts to press for a bill to support the proposition in parliament and the government did not have the guts to have the requested referendum. If it had it would have rolled forward its devolution programme instead of dying a death on the back of the unpopularity of bogus 'regions' that no one identifies with. 


9:05 pm
October 21, 2009


T2reloaded

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As I have previously stated Cornwall is a nation like England but not part of it. It is not a region or a county to say so is to deny historical fact, it also indirectly aids the suppression of Cornwall and the Cornish people.