Trevorpen said:

Oh my oh my!

When I saw this topic appear yesterday, I thought it would soon turn into a slanging match – the usual dribble comes  predictably up, then the offensive language.

Perhaps this is why this whole topic becomes a joke and cannot be taken seriously.

It is quite ludicrous to mention Cornwall has any form of governance at this moment in time. As for language of course it gets its due recognition, BUT not a soul uses it in everyday conversation.

Cornwall has its own culture, so do many other parts of the UK, be they counties (Cornwall, Devon, Yorkshire etc or principalities (Wales), provinces (N. Ireland)  or even countries (England, Scotland)   

There will be no revolution, the people in Cornwall have much more important things to think about and why would anyone even consider such daft nonsense?

If Cornwall had more autonomy then perhaps it would have been able to insulate itself more against the economic disaster that is the English banking system.

Many people speak and learn Cornish. Businesses like Whetherspoons and Homebase actively promote the use of Cornish among their staff and their marketing.

Bucca boo said:

T2 reloaded, to deny that Cornwall has been governed by England is equally ignoring historical fact.

Zennorman, self sufficiency in power generation would undoubtedly change the dynamic. But if you look at the wave hub project, where 20 mill will be spent to power 7000 homes , we see how far off this is.

I'd welcome a wider debate throughout Cornwall on weather the residents of Cornwall want to devolve or be regionalised or what level  of spending should be controlled locally. Sadly most people are more interested in last night's Chelsea game or what's happening on 'Corrie'.

Posters who deny the importance of tourism are showing the lack of commercial aptitude i keep mentioning.{with respect}

It may fit neatly with the separtists arguments ,ie that england wants us for a playground, but the reality is that we the Cornish have been complicit on the  focus on this industry/trade. My own family suffered badly  at the collapse of the mining industry {back in early 1900's} Thier already humble situation was  beggered to the point where the adult males travelled to USA sending money home. That is the backdrop to which the tourist industry was born. The newly installed railway brought tourisits and we were bloody glad to see them.

But I digress.

For the Cornish  movement to be moved forward there needs to be  a higher level of responsibility taken for our own role in the present situation. Blaming upcountry developers/whitehall for everything  conveys the lack of mature responsibility needed to make Cornwall   gov credible.

Hard as i try I'm not convinced by devolution{yet} . Looking at Scotland – they have given themselves free further education and perscriptions but they have'nt raised taxes themselves to pay for it, . We , the rest of UK  are paying for  SNP  re-election  jollies. That situation should never exsist in the first place and once the Jocks are made to pay i wonder how popular independence will seem. Yey already SNP are pushing for further devolvement.

I can't make out any change to Wales over and above what would have happened before devolvement.

The wave hub figure is about pump priming investment. The benefits are around knowledge exchange as well as the development of the energy product.

Cornish business needs new models of finance. Relying on the English banking system is not the way forward. Perhaps they have not, because Cornish business has been more resiliant in the recession.

Scotland are ordering their own priorities off their own money. England squandered Scottish oil paying for Thatchers economic mistakes.

'SaxonScum are you really a Saxon or just Scum?'

Both Jezza. The tag does what it says on the tin.

At least I know what a troll is now….

As the person who started this thread, I would like to thank everybody who contributed, with one or two obvious exceptions. Despite the obvious variance in opinions, they have all helped me to understand to an extent what the issue of Cornish self government/devolution involves. I'm sure I'll never fully get to the bottom of all the arguments, but it's a start.

For Trevorpen, it was never my intention to suggest there should be a revolution in the sense of an armed insurrection and I disagree with your implication that the topic was a waste of time. It is never a waste of time to restate your beliefs and that includes yours, of course.

P Tre'bagh said: 'Ah, I see, I thought it was a statement of what Saxons do.'

Actually, it was a joke. While I think this forum (compared to many others) contains a majority of posters who enjoy reasonable and reasoned debate, albeit sometimes a tad heated, there also seems to be one or two who are – how can I put it – less than in love with the English.

Possibly it was my subsconcious being a little defensive. Catchy though, ain't it?

'We only keep him around to stop too many goats crossing over the bridge.'

I take it you mean Saltash bridge. Unfortunately, they can also sneak over by land via Launceston.

saxonscum said

there also seems to be one or two who are – how can I put it – less than in love with the English.

It is the establishment that is less loved not the people, that is why the Cornish bloodlines have been diluted over many years, and continue to do so, some could argue it is the tourist coming to Cornwall who are at fault.