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3:37 pm
July 6, 2008


sha'zron

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On the SPM website HEREit says "time is short"

Any idea what sort of timeline are we talking about here Marhak?

edited by: sharon, Jul 06, 2008 – 03:52 PM

10:01 pm
July 6, 2008


marhak

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The simple answer is that we don't know. This project has been in the making for some considerable time. Carn Kenidjack required Scheduled Monument Consent – but unlike planning, this isn't publicised, nor is the public given any chance to object. Hell, the Local Planning Authority isn't even told about SAM applications (but I'll bet that the NT is fully informed). We don't even know if that has been granted or not but we do know that the application was lodged. Also, that the Secretary of State has the Nine Maidens site on his desk – he has to decide on that because it is Registered Common Land. Because those procedures are current, we have every reason to believe that time is now short. The only apparent hold-up appears to be the lack of publication of the historical assessments being prepared by "English" Heritage (Oh, there's nothing like local expertise, so they never consult any – so you can already guess just how thorough or correct those reports will be).

We are in the dark and we are being kept in the dark. That, of course, is deliberate.

edited by: marhak, Jul 06, 2008 – 09:04 PM

2:05 pm
July 7, 2008


Egloshal

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Would a National Park for Cornwall solve any issues? We could have Penwith Moors, the Lizard and Bodmin Moor all within one National Park for Cornwall.

2:07 pm
July 7, 2008


P_Tre'nbagh

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Egloshal said:

Would a National Park for Cornwall solve any issues? We could have Penwith Moors, the Lizard and Bodmin Moor all within one National Park for Cornwall.


But would it be an English National Park, or a Cornish National Park?

Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something. It is apathy that is the enemy of us all.

3:56 pm
July 7, 2008


marhak

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A national park would be wholly controlled by London, giving the likes of Natural "England", "English" Heritage and the National Trust carte blanche.

Haven't we all had more than enough of all this dictatorial external interference? What we need is for Cornish affairs to be handled by Cornish people but we are not even allowed that in the Objective One moneys given to Cornwall.

With regard to the Heath Project, I have heard this morning that cattle grids have gone in at Baker's Pit. So, it's started.

4:37 pm
July 7, 2008


Coady

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Just a thought…. IF some of the farmers had decided ON THEIR OWN to resume grazing parts of the moors, for commercial purposes (eg"Traditional Moorland Grazed Organic Beef) and did a bit of fencing, that would have been well within their rights would it not?
Would that still have been objectionable?

We live in interesting times

6:43 pm
July 7, 2008


P_Tre'nbagh

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Coady said:

………and did a bit of fencing, that would have been well within their rights would it not?


Not being totally sure of the status of the land, but if it is common land, then no, apart from that, they would need the landowners permission first, and would have to be respectful of any rights of way etc.

Fencing in of common land, is usually the first step in claiming it as your own.

Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something. It is apathy that is the enemy of us all.

10:37 am
July 8, 2008


Coady

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P_Trembath, your comment suggests you didn't read the various linked documents closely.

http://www.theheathproject.org.uk/content_pdf/en/Web_article_Nov_07.pdf

Years ago I had some involvement in disagreements over rights on various parcels of land in the area under discussion, and it can be a nightmare even for solicitors to sort out, with some land "jointly and severally owned by 'lords'"…its THAT sort of language, and usually gets worse……

Even the phrase "common land" is often wrongly used or misunderstood.

My point is, that IF the farmers WITH historical/inherited RIGHTS OVER THE LAND wanted to resume moorland grazing, (with the usual legal duty to prevent straying) and kept the actual rights of way open with riding gates, stiles, and cattle grids….would anyone be uspet?? …if so, would their annoyance be justified?

I should have made my post clearer. Graham.

We live in interesting times

12:24 pm
July 8, 2008


Nosdan

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I recognise the problem but there is an easy solution…

…One chainsaw for a few hours on a darknight, no more problem…. Laugh

9:23 am
July 9, 2008


marhak

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Why would they want to do so, as additional production is not required (hence set-aside land, etc.)? The only reason that some farmers/landowners want to do it is that they will be getting easy money.

Other farmers/landowners oppose the scheme.