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9:17 pm January 29, 2009
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12:26 pm February 6, 2009
| Fulup le Breton
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Had a response to my FOI request to the ONS about a Cornish Tick box: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/will_there_be_a_cornish_tick_box
Importantly which government bodies, individuals and organisations gave opinions, advice or instructions on the Cornish tick box issue.
They say:
Your final question asked what government bodies, individuals and organisations gave opinions, advice or instructions. Opinions were given in the responses to consultations as referred to above. However, no instructions have been received by any government body, individual or organisation. The questions and categories which appear on the Census questionnaire are those for which users of Census statistics have identified a need for information.
There are stacks of attached documents and perhaps there are some suprises contained there within, but I think the ONS are on the level.
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1:02 pm February 6, 2009
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They are doing a trial census this year October in Lancaster, Wales and London…
Here on some of the questions
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edited by: Shaz, Feb 06, 2009 – 01:08 PM
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12:42 pm February 8, 2009
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Why are all those religions grouped together under Christian. Have I missed something?
Reminded me of when I was filling in some form as a youngster, I asked my mum what religion I was, she paused and said "church of England" I suppose.
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3:25 pm February 8, 2009
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TGG is this any good?
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7:46 pm February 20, 2009
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8:54 am February 21, 2009
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myghall said:
 
2006 Canadian census results for Cornish
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/highlights/ethnic/pages/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo=PR&Code=01&Data=Count&Table=2&StartRec=1&Sort=3&Display=All&CSDFilter=5000#Notes
Anyone know if Australia includes Cornish in its census ?
Great find! I'll add it to the wikipedia Cornish People page.
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2:33 pm March 3, 2009
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I received an anonymous e-mail from a 'Cornovii' today concerning the 2011 census that people should see.
Dear Fulub,
'National Identity' is a newly invented Census 2011 category. It is not the same as 'ethnic group'. If the 2011 Census asks people to record their 'National Identity', there is no code for Cornish like there was for 'ethnic group' in 2001. The government refuses to recognise Cornish 'national identity' so is there a possibility of Cornish entries either being voided, or changed to something else (possibly English, or British) without our knowledge ? This leads to the question will there be independent Census scrutineers in 2011 to verify the number recorded as Cornish ? Perhaps our MPs could confirm the procedure as to how the Cornish identity vote will be accurately monitored and recorded ?
YouTube link
Regards,
Cornovii
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If anybody wants to confirm the Cornovii's information then contact the Office of National Statistics or make a Freedom of Information request to them via the WhatDoTheyKnow website.
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11:08 am July 4, 2009
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Kerrow said:
It is for Cornwall Council to lead now on the collection of statistical data of the Cornish at all times, and particularly in the next Census.
This data is useful to them as a Local Authority, and they are well aware of the issues regarding the minority status of the Cornish.
Malcolm Brown, the Senior Research Officer is the person to contact to register the need for really clear publicity and detailed information for those who will want to register as Cornish in the 2011 Census, and for any queries about this. There are people who are rightly ambivalent about the ‘England’ category, but the greater the amount of information, the greater the engagement with the whole issue of recording statistics on the Cornish.
Any queries with regards to the new Census 2011 arrangements please contact Malcolm Brown, Senior Research and Information Officer (Cornwall Council), by telephone on 01872 322621 or by email mbrown@cornwall.gov.uk
Regarding the 2011 ONS Census, are the ONS once again using the '06' category for recording Cornish ethnicity as they did in 2001 ? Will the ONS be obliged to record the number of "Cornish" identity returns as they did in 2001 as they have stated:- "For those groups that will not be covered by tick-boxes, ONS will be liaising with representatives of groups to inform them of the policy and encourage members of the group they represent to make full use of the write-in boxes to ensure their community is accurately measured." There are 2 questions that apply to the Cornish. 15. What is your national identity ? 16. What is your ethnic group ? I guess many Cornish will write Cornish as their ethnic group (which is recognised by the ONS) and also write Cornish as their national identity (which is not recognised by the ONS). This leads to a number of questions:- 1. Who will be checking how accurately the ONS measure the Cornish return ? Will there be independent Census scrutineers in 2011 to accurately verify the number recorded as Cornish ? 2. If people record Cornish as their national identity (which is not recognised by the ONS), then what will this be changed to – British or English ? or will it be registered as an unfilled, or a spoilt paper ? If they are changed, then who will do the changing ? What policy will be deployed to determine the change and will the citizen be notified ? 3. Will the ONS be allocating a census code for those people who wish to record their national identity as Cornish ? 4. What publicity will be given to Cornish options available in questions 15 and 16 in Cornwall ? Will there be any funding made available for publicity from Cornwall Council or in the local press etc, to ensure that Cornish people are actually aware of the Cornish option ? (unlike in 2001 when there was little publicity regarding the Cornish option). 5. Many Cornish people have stated that due to the Census confusion with problems recording their identity that they will not be completing the 2011 Census, leading to even fewer Cornish returns. 6. What is Cornwall Council's opinion and position regarding these questions ? 7. A Cornish tick box was not allocated as the ONS stated that "insufficient requirement for the data had been expressed by Census users" and "national identity and ethnicity questions will contain tick boxes only for the largest groups" — but the ONS then went on to include a tick box for the ethnic group "Irish Travellers", even though their numbers in the UK are probably comparable to those of the Cornish The main problem with the 2001 Census form, was that in order to register as CORNISH, people had to deny they were BRITISH. As Cornish people do not, in the main, wish to reject their British identity, by making it an either/or decision, the ONS form inhibited people from registering as Cornish. This was merely one feature of the Census that led to Census 2001, and will lead to Census 2011, under-recording the numbers of Cornish by a factor of at least four. This has a significant adverse effect on the Cornish, particulary in terms of general policy formulation and service delivery. It has also been shown that the the low Cornish Census return statistic in 2001 (the ONS were alerted to the Cornish Census recording problems prior to conducting the Census) was used by the Government in the High Court to undermine a legal challenge designed to ensure that the Government extended the rights of the "Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities" to the Cornish. Do you think that the reluctance of the ONS/Government to recognise the Cornish on the 2011 Census could be explained as perhaps another case of forced assimilation ? Could continued refusal of Cornish recognition (including not being recognised as per all other UK indigenous minorities under the FCNM) could be perhaps explained as deliberate cultural genocide, whilst the indigenous population is gradually being replaced for example through mass (70,000) housing projects which will not benefit local people but will in the long term encourage more people to re-locate to Cornwall ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..vldovHFj68
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12:19 pm July 4, 2009
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My plan of action regarding the English Census of Cornwall is this: I shan't fill it in to start with. They will probably threaten me a bit but I'm not hurried about that. They can't take much adverse publicity and I aren't worried about court and such things. Eventually, talking to a few others who have refused to fill it in in the past, they send a little fellow around to ask why and to help you fill it out. I shall make him a cup of tea and explain why I haven't filled it out. Whether there is a Cornish tick box or not does not detract from the fact that it is an English Census.Depending on what the weather is will determine whether I comply with the wishes of the man on the day or not but I aren't English or much else but Cornish and so if I do decide to help them out, I will respond in the Cornish language (SWF, of course !). Of course, if they sent around a Cornish Census, I should be chuffed to complete and return it !
Unite and unite, let us all unite 'cos Summer is a-cummin today !
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