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3.Dec 2004 - 09:35
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3.Dec 2004 - 12:52
In protest if we are only allowed to fly so called "national flags" how about the Welsh one or even more controversial the Irish republican tricolour.
I know its not the same as our flag, but if there was consensus and every body flew the I R T it would cause quite a stir and probably get publicity.
I think we should make English flags equally as unwelcome in our Duchy!!!!
All publicity is good publicity!
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3.Dec 2004 - 13:41
There must be a way round this - human rights? - external shape of flag? - type of pole? - angle of pole?
Inundate the authorities for planning permission?
Time for some Cornish inventiveness!
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3.Dec 2004 - 14:44
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3.Dec 2004 - 14:47
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3.Dec 2004 - 15:22
Try the Planning Inspectorate website. I used to work for them about a million years ago, so I know they are very helpful about giving this sort of information to people.
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3.Dec 2004 - 23:27
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4.Dec 2004 - 00:09
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4.Dec 2004 - 00:35
http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144659&command=newPage&contentPK=11414645
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4.Dec 2004 - 04:58
Looks like yet another storm in a tea cup. It's the erection of flag poles that this is about, from what I read.
How about all those businesses that drape banners ?
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4.Dec 2004 - 11:08
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4.Dec 2004 - 18:27
This is just another little kick in the teeth for a proud people who live in one of Europe's poorest regions and so unnecessary at that.
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4.Dec 2004 - 22:51
It hasn't.
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5.Dec 2004 - 13:31
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6.Dec 2004 - 05:21
A law has been passed which bans you from erecting a flag pole to display a flag with out planning permission, unless that flag is a national flag. Cornwall is not a nation, it's a county.
Got it?
No one has banned the Cornish flag.
You can still fly the Cornish flag.
You have to apply for planning permission for a flagpole for it.
Got that?
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6.Dec 2004 - 11:07
CORNISH STANNARY PARLIAMENT
Stannary Information Office
9, Coombe park, bal lake, camborne, tr14 ojg kernow , G.B.
phone - 01209-710938 (+ fax)
www.cornish-stannary-parliament.abelgratis.com
info@cornish-stannary-parliament.abelgratis.com
5th December 2004
The Editor,
Dear Sir,
POLICY STATEMENT – Freedom to fly the Cornish Flag of St. Piran
(a white cross on a black ground representing pure white tin on black furnace ashes)
With reference to recent reports of the government’s intention to require planning permission for the flying of the Cornish flag of St.Piran while exempting the flag of St.George and the national flags of the world, I attach a copy of our press release of 25th April 1995, in which, the Cornish Stannary Parliament affirms the right of Cornish people to fly their flag.
The Cornish Stannary Parliament statement, made nearly ten years ago, is equally applicable today. Our reference, at that time, to Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights, “Freedom of expression�, has, meanwhile, been incorporated into the Human Rights Act 1998 and, it would appear, planning regulations in respect of flying flags, made prior to the passing of the Human Rights Act 1998, have not been amended to comply with its provisions.
Yours sincerely,
E.R.Nute,
Keeper of the Seal,
for and on behalf of the,
Cornish Stannary Parliament.
Attached:- Policy statement of 25th April 1995.
For further information contact:-
The Stannary Information Office on 01209-710938
Cornish Stannary Parliament CSP
LOGO
1995
The Cornish Stannary Parliament, in order to protect the right of the Cornish people to express their national identity by flying their national flag, have enacted,
Resolution 12.4 of 25th April 1995, to effect and confirm;
THE FREEDOM TO FLY THE FLAG OF SAINT PIRAN
“Any person resident in Cornwall is entitled to fly the flag of Saint Piran, (a symbol of the Patron Saint of tinners with his white cross on a black ground being the historic and recognised emblem of Cornwall), on his or her private property, without interference by public authorities, provided always that the display carefully avoids any danger to public safety�.
This right is affirmed under Act 5 of “The Constitution of Cornwall� which incorpOrates the European Convention of Human Rights. Article 10, confirmed by all civilised states, asserts; “Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority�.
The quotation of this Act shall be taken as authority to fly the flag of Saint Piran anywhere in Cornwall subject to the requirements of public safety.
Passed into Stannary Law this 25th day of April 1995 under the authority of the Seal of the Couiunitatis Staugnatorum Cornubia and signed by its appointed keeper, for and on behalf of the twenty—four Stannators of the Cornish Stannary Parliament,
E.R.Nute,
Keeper of the Seal. CSP seal
Kennel Mill, Kennal Vale,
Ponsanooth, Truro,
Cornwall TR3 7HL
Telephone:— 01209—000000 was 1995) – (now 2004:- 01209-710938)
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6.Dec 2004 - 11:13
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6.Dec 2004 - 11:25
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6.Dec 2004 - 14:15
Kernow bys Vyken (hewel!)
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6.Dec 2004 - 15:14
No matter what, many Cornish myself included will continue to claim our right to define ourselves as we see fit, proudly display our national emblems, protect and promote our identity and culture and refer to Cornwall as a Country incorrectly administered as a county.
The law is more to do with what flag you can fly from an existent pole.
Permission is now needed to fly the Cornish flag in Cornwall but not to fly the flag of Kazakhstan 'for example' from a pole already permitted.
You always have had to get permission to erect a flag pole but not the type of flag you flew from it.
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6.Dec 2004 - 19:22
I think people will be more inclined to fly the flag out of pique. I am almost inclined. Re Mr Nute's missive, I don't think it will have much effect.
On another matter best wishes to Mike on his forthcoming move to the 'homeland.' Who knows now that I am there more often, we might yet have a drink over old times!
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6.Dec 2004 - 21:08
do you lot not understand?
Is it beyond the wit and igenuity of the Cornish, as it would seem from some of the bleating going on here, to find a way round this ruling?
THE CORNISH FLAG HAS NOT BEEN BANNNED FOR GODS SAKE.
You lot want and assembly, you want nationhood, but a minor event like this sends you into a tailspin of handwringing and gnashing of teeth, no wonder you're in the state you are. Pathetic.
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6.Dec 2004 - 21:52
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6.Dec 2004 - 22:35
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6.Dec 2004 - 23:10
How dare you say the Cornish are pathetic, i'm begining to think that there is a possibility you really are anti Cornish.
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6.Dec 2004 - 23:36
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7.Dec 2004 - 01:30
You cannot erect a flagpole without plannning permission.
Fly it from a window sill.
Fly it from a tree.
Fly it from a lampost.
Fly it like a kite.
Apply for plannning permission for a flag pole.
THE CORNISH FLAG IS NOT BANNED.
I did not call the Cornish pathetic. I called you moaning Minnies who have taken this piece of minor beaurocracy, and turned it into such a whinge fest, who seem incapable of finding solutions to such a simple thing, pathetic.
And you lot want to have home rule, when you find this such a challenge, yeah godz! Why do the words "piss-up" and "brewery" leap to mind?
No wonder Cornwall is now a minor English county.
Troll,
The only anti-Cornish comments on this board come from those who insist on making the Cornish appear so stupid, lacking in inititiative, and incapable of coping in the real world.
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7.Dec 2004 - 14:54
What don't you understand about being allowed to fly any national flag (eg of Iran) from an existent flag pole (that many businesses and pubs have already with planning permission).
However if you have a legal flag pole already you have to obtain planning permission to fly the Cornish flag (but remember now, you don't need permission if you want to fly the flag of Tajikistan) .
So if i owned a pub that had had a flag pole for years legally that i could fly a flag from with no problems, if i now wanted i could fly the flag of Paraguay without planning permission, but i could not fly the St Pirans, i would have to get permission to haul that up.
Does not something about that strike you as unjust?
This is not about flag poles, you have always need permission for one of those as far as i know, its about what you fly from it.
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7.Dec 2004 - 15:33
I was commenting on the inevitable "anti-Cornish" label that seems to get thrown about on this board. The longer the thread the more likely it is that the insult will be thrown. I guess at some point it must become inevitable that this happens, hence Quantick's law.
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8.Dec 2004 - 10:01
We could formulate a similar law for the relationship between length of thread and the amount of time taken for stroppy to become boorish and insulting.
Keep up the good work stroppy, my little Cornish Nationalist in disguise.
Any old who, as i have already responded to Diane, i don't think this is English oppression, its just thoughtless bureaucracy from a government that probably did not even consider Cornwall when passing this law.
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8.Dec 2004 - 10:12
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8.Dec 2004 - 10:15
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8.Dec 2004 - 20:37
Post a picture of it here.
Then give us an account of how the flag police came and took your liberty away...
LOL!!!!!
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8.Dec 2004 - 21:23
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8.Dec 2004 - 22:06
The brickwork pattern is called 'common bond'...
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8.Dec 2004 - 22:16
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8.Dec 2004 - 22:23
And don't forget it people!!
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8.Dec 2004 - 22:24
Just like talking to the government.
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9.Dec 2004 - 21:55
Can you not get that through your head?
I have not posted an insult against the Cornish, I have however taken the p!ss out of those who have created Everest out of a goosebump.
Do you not have the balls to put the strength of your convictions, your love of the flag, and your integrity as a poster here, to the test that I have suggested?
Thought not!
Ps. I'll be back in Cornwall next Easter, fancy getting together for a beer, to show that there's no hard feelings?
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10.Dec 2004 - 09:10
Time to come clean. The Cornish Times did report the story with the impression the flag was banned, which i genuinely thought, but after reading a few other sources it became clear that you were right, it was all about planning permission for the pole. But at this point the debate was under way and i couldn't resist but to carry on even though i was wrong, too much of my grandad in me! He'd argue a black man white as my gran would have said.
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10.Dec 2004 - 21:56
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10.Dec 2004 - 22:58
My gran used to say the same thing, didn't they some lovely sayings and expressions?
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10.Dec 2004 - 23:07
Councils do not usually try to enforce this flag-flying law against householders unless someone complains and then they legally are required to investigate.
Last year a man in Yorkshire had council interest in his flying his county's white rose flag, so it is not "English" oppression or bureaucracy or anything. It might be British or UK something. And I think a man in Devon had difficulty over flying that county's flag. As far as I know both still fly their flags.
I do not know of any case where anyone has been prevented in actuality from flying a noncommercial flag, do you?