Topic:	How dodgy is George Bush?!
chris Posts: 1405 Posted: 10.Aug 2004 - 10:10	I watched Michael Moore's new film on Sunday night. Didn't see too much that I didn't expect or already know about but when you see it all in an hour and a half it's quite a lot to take in. The point is this stuff seems to be true - nobody is actually denying it so how do they get away with being so blatant?! Film shows lots of connections between the Bushes and the Suadi royal family and also the Bin Laden family. After 911, when no other planes where flying there where around 20 charters laid on to take home lots of Saudis including a very large number of the Bin Laden family - no questions asked. Also lots of the current administration appears to have lots of involvement in companies that seem to have done quite well out of Iraq. The comedy highlight is GW being told about the second plane hitting the WTC and continuing to read a children's book for the next 7 minutes.
Kate Posts: 195 Posted: 10.Aug 2004 - 10:12	Where did you see the film?
chris Posts: 1405 Posted: 10.Aug 2004 - 11:33	Penzance cinema on Sunday evening
chris Posts: 1405 Posted: 10.Aug 2004 - 23:17	On the subject of GW try typing miserable failure into Google. Interesting no! This is now a well documented phenomena on those involved with search engine optimisation.
BarryLH4 Posts: 107 Posted: 11.Aug 2004 - 12:39	this dodgy [/img]
nxylas Posts: 346 Posted: 11.Aug 2004 - 19:09	"chris_l"On the subject of GW try typing miserable failure into Google. Interesting no! This is now a well documented phenomena on those involved with search engine optimisation. It's called Googlebombing. For a long time, Bush's supporters retaliated by manipulting links so that Michael Moore's website came up instead when you hit the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button.
AndyQ Posts: 733 Posted: 22.Sep 2004 - 10:42	"How dodgy is George Bush?!" VERY!!!!!
BarryLH4 Posts: 107 Posted: 22.Sep 2004 - 12:10	A supplementary question is How stupid would Americans be if they vote him in for a second term
chris Posts: 1405 Posted: 22.Sep 2004 - 12:45	Barry, I think you could probably change that to 40% of Americans are stupid on the grounds that it's neck and neck at the moment. I don't care about offending anyone who supports this president as he is without doubt a danger to the entire world. If anybody knows of any demonstrations that are likely to take place if GW is re-elected I'd be keen to know.
BarryLH4 Posts: 107 Posted: 22.Sep 2004 - 14:06	Unfortunately Bush is actually ahead at the moment, although it's still quite tight and it has been going either way over recent weeks. I think it depends a lot upon what happens in Iraq and what dirty tricks they come up with. I'm still convinced Osama is already in US custody and will be "caught" about a week before the election. I think I'm right in saying that only about 25% of eligable Americans vote, so apart from those that vote for Bush I think the 75% who don't vote are pretty stupid as well to allow it to happen.
chris Posts: 1405 Posted: 23.Sep 2004 - 13:24	Actually the Americans aren't alone in their poitical idiocy. The italians are a close second. Silvio Berlosconi has escaped prosecution by passing a law to give himself immunity, has made numerous faux pas about the rest of the world, more or less sells himself as being a bit dodgy and has built up a media monopoly. Not to mention fasciast links. But the Italians love him and he's in a record breaking third term. (I think it's 3)
troll Posts: 567 Posted: 23.Sep 2004 - 21:13	"chris_l"Barry, I think you could probably change that to 40% of Americans are stupid on the grounds that it's neck and neck at the moment. Yeah, 49.99% of them are below average for God's sake! They are so stupid.
rosenthalenglish Posts: 36 Posted: 30.Sep 2004 - 23:39	I think that we all need our heads testing if we trust John Kerry over George W Bush.Kerry tells massive porkies to keep in with all sides.God help us if he had to make an importnat decision.The guy is a laibility.He uses the fact he is Catholic to try and win votes.He however believes in Abortion up to birth dispite using the "kennedy" cop out that his religious beliefs will not interfere with his presidency if he wins!This guy believes in Gay Marriage as well.Both contrary to his so called religious beliefs.However he doesnt mind popping into any other church if it gets him votes.Bush has made a few mistakes,but give me him everytime.Kerry cannot be trusted and changes and swings as he needs.He is also backed up to the hilt by the the likes of Intenational Planned Parenhood Federation.Well we know what they want worldwide-abortion on demand up to birth including ALL CHILDREN TO HAVE COMPULSARY SEX EDUCATION AND BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ABORTION WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS KNOWING.We have only to look to Kerry to see what is wrong with the world.I cannot understand why you all worship Kerry?What do you all really know about the guy?
Mike Posts: 2674 Posted: 30.Sep 2004 - 23:51	I actually prefer Bush
BarryLH4 Posts: 107 Posted: 1.Oct 2004 - 00:37	"rosenthalenglish"Kerry tells massive porkies to keep in with all sides. Wow! I've never heard of a politician doing that before So what has abortion and gay marriage got to do with the war in Iraq/terrorism, the environment and other issues that threaten mankind? I don't think Kerry is perfect, his pro-Israeli stance is misguided for one thing, but in general he is a better bet for the world than Bush.
Mike Posts: 2674 Posted: 1.Oct 2004 - 00:59	I must say that events, day by day, push me to a more pro-Israeli stance. It's not opportunistic generalities that get my vote but specifics.
xxxxxx Posts: 2305 Posted: 1.Oct 2004 - 09:07	QuoteI think that we all need our heads testing if we trust John Kerry over George W Bush.Kerry tells massive porkies to keep in with all sides.God help us if he had to make an importnat decision.The guy is a laibility.He uses the fact he is Catholic to try and win votes.He however believes in Abortion up to birth dispite using the "kennedy" cop out that his religious beliefs will not interfere with his presidency if he wins!This guy believes in Gay Marriage as well.Both contrary to his so called religious beliefs.However he doesnt mind popping into any other church if it gets him votes.Bush has made a few mistakes,but give me him everytime.Kerry cannot be trusted and changes and swings as he needs.He is also backed up to the hilt by the the likes of Intenational Planned Parenhood Federation.Well we know what they want worldwide-abortion on demand up to birth including ALL CHILDREN TO HAVE COMPULSARY SEX EDUCATION AND BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ABORTION WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS KNOWING.We have only to look to Kerry to see what is wrong with the world.I cannot understand wh You must be a republican, they cannot open their mouths with lying. Show one piece of substantive evidence to support what you posted please? Or appologise for lying.
chris Posts: 1405 Posted: 1.Oct 2004 - 10:54	So what has GW done for the world? -Refused to ratify the Kyoto treaty unlike 187 other countries -Has enraged every Islamic group in the world -Campaigned for oil exploration in Alaska -Spent all the deficit savings made during the Clinton adminiatration on tax breaks for the middle classes -Invaded the wrong country on the wrong pretext. -Allowed North Korea to develop nuclear weapons -Let the Israel/Palestine conflict deteriorate -Failed to catch Osama Bin Laden -Fallen out with most of the United Nations -Done nothing for his own economy These are just off the top of my head - the list goes on. 911 should have been a wake up call to America - they should have asked themselves why do these people hate us so much and dealt with the issues. Instead we now hear about suicide bombings on a daily basis - can you imagine how much these people hate US to do this. Don't negotiate with terrorists but if righting a few wrongs stops this what is the problem. On the subject of Israel - why should we risk terrorist attack because we support a few Zionist fundamentalists to settle where it is their "God give right"?. I don't have a problem with a Jewish state but the settlers seem to pretty much ask for what they get.
xxxxxx Posts: 2305 Posted: 1.Oct 2004 - 11:07	Well George did take the enormous outpouring of love and respect for the US following 9/11 and convert it into loathing, distrust and the largest series of protests ever held? No mean feat? Who'd have thought the face of evil would look so stupid?
chris Posts: 1405 Posted: 11.Oct 2004 - 17:07	Some fairly compelling evidence for the Chimp theory: http://www.webdesignlab.co.uk/niksthings/masking.html
AndyQ Posts: 733 Posted: 11.Oct 2004 - 21:40	It beggars belief that any sane person could ever vote for that complete moron Bush.
Kate Posts: 195 Posted: 26.Oct 2004 - 10:55	I saw Michael Moore's film for the first time last night on DVD and couldn't believe how the American people could be so duped. What makes it worse is that despite being uncovered like this he is still just ahead in the polls. Surely, in the UK if a politician was exposed in the same way as Bush they wouldn't get a look in at the election. Just look what happened to Hamilton? He was trounced in a safe seat by Martin Bell, the anti-sleaze candidate. If Bush gets in, the world is not safe.
chris Posts: 1405 Posted: 26.Oct 2004 - 12:34	9-11 seems to have been a blank cheque for the US administration. I don't think it would have mattered who was in power all they had to do was flex their muscles, declare a war on terror and tell the US it was under attack. Owing to a defective gene in the american populus they will go for the US wartime president everytime!
AndyQ Posts: 733 Posted: 26.Oct 2004 - 15:06	GOD BLESS UNCLE SAM THE SAVIOUR OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
BarryLH4 Posts: 107 Posted: 27.Oct 2004 - 00:10	I bought the Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD on Saturday but have yet to watch it, although I'm probably aware of much of what is on it. Could 9/11 have been an "Operation Northwood" type incident - go google it (Operation Northwood) and see what comes up.