Topic:	An Theaw Broachers.
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 02:39	Forum rag an theaw broachers Jtrworth (aka Brian Young) ha Eddie-C, (ha Goky an pattick.). Ny ra mostia an eral threads.! Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 04:44	gokyForum rag an theaw broachers Jtrworth (aka Brian Young) ha Eddie-C, (ha Goky an pattick.). Ny ra mostia an eral threads.! Due to so much hateful activity on here displayed by people (you know who you are!) and the mentioning of his name, I have contacted him to let him know a time or two in the past, fed up with this tripe, Mr. Young sent me this e-mail to EVERYONE (his stress) to settle this once and for all! Please read: "OPEN LETTER TO THE CORNISH ORTHOGRAPHY DEBATERS ON C-24. I have been shown, and witnessed myself, on this forum that my name is being thrown around and insulted. These actions are by people that I have never met in real life, nor had reason to be in conflict with. These actions are vile and despicable and speaks very poorly on the part of those who are doing it. Supposedly, these hateful actions are being perpetuated by questionable individuals who do it in the name of the language they say they hold dear. This is a paradox, let me illustrate: I have contributed to the language over the years in positive means, never in the negative. Those who attack me do so for the same cause as I did, the Cornish language. The reason(s): my choice of allegiance to the historical based orthographies of the language, being an academic and simply character assassination by lowly people. Clearly this is not positive for the sake of the very language that we all hold dear and all it being in shame on those who deal in this sort of behavior. My name has been abused on this forum with no just cause as I have not, and will not, join it. You have presumed that Mr. Treworth here and another was me and until proof is forthcoming, I suggest you cease this child-like behavior. You have tied your own noose, so you will later hang for it I am sure. I swore off the Cornish language scene almost eight years ago and for this reason. People like Mr.Reeves here and apparently Mr. Bailey (whom I do not know by any means) sit on the back of the revival like bloated and festering boils, spitting their garbage on others, while expecting praise and respect at the same time. This is not going to happen. If you want respect, show it first. I have seen this kind of bickering and attacks by little children, not by supposed educated adults! I have looked over the various threads on this forum and was appalled by the terrible language and threats made to Mr. Everson, Williams, Climo, Chubb and myself! You would think that it has come to blows with the ferocity used by the pro-Kemmyn aggitators! Leave me out of it! This will be the one time I communicate with you here, or anywhere ever. I WAS on the Kernowak list, but after a needless debate with someone over a pointless matter, I have come to realize that the revival has not matured with age. It never will, and I quit the list to relieve myself of the unneeded stress and drama. You all like it apparently. Mr. Reeves here thrives on it for a food source (like a parasite) since he cannot actually contribute to the revival, he is just a heckler or court jester on the sidelines. I may come forward once the Commission is done yes, but it depends on factors. My name, even my education has been mocked by people not deserving of writing about me, so please stop! I can see the wisdom in Dr. Williams wanting to not be around the likes of you. Disrespectful and hateful to the core, all of you. A suggestion from an academic: use those alleged research skills you lot say you have and know your 'enemy' first! Otherwise you make new enemies without realizing it. Mr. Reeves alone has turned away countless people from wanting to ever learn the language himself. If that is his goal in this, then he has accomplished it! He also sides with a form of the language that he does even write in! When he can write in Cornish, he used some debased form of Late Cornish, not Kemmyn. So what is the point of his attacks on others? He, and others fail to offer up any substantial proof that their displeasure with UCR/UC/KS is bad at all, usually the problems are vague and mixed in their direction. Others I have noticed here, side with the aggressors simply because they are influenced by the myths (i.e., Kemmyn is the majority of speakers, etc, etc). On the contrary. If that were so, then when Mr. Treworth used UCR, should he have been using Kemmyn? Instead he was assaulted and mocked and Mr. Bailey even saw Welsh in his language? That shows a lack of the respect of others using the language, much less a great lack of critical knowledge in either Cornish or Welsh! The two are very different in their grammar and syntax and Mr. Treworth was true to form in the 'Clappya Kernowek.' I think that if the Commissioners read these threads, they can clearly see the trouble-makers in the Revival and know which way to avoid on their final decision. The evidence is plenty enough supplied by all of you. I would think that if you really loved the language this much, you would realize when you have gone too far and stop. Because the foot-prints you leave behind you will forever follow you when this language is being mentioned in circles. I have seen arrogance, petty jealousy, incompetance in use of the language, slander and foolishness by several people here. Not people really endeared to preserving the language and keeping it. To add to this, I have seen very shoddy academics by some figures in the scene who should know better, but talk is cheap isn't it? If the Commission declines a decision and we do not gain the monetary grants, than we know who caused it. I do not think we academics would threaten it, and to correct you Mr. Bailey, our careers are fine either way the decision goes. We have worked hard to be where we are at, but people like you are arm-chair scholars with no level of respect for the real thing, much less experience doing it. Until you do it professionally, dont knock it. I have a very deep respect and passion for Celtic civilization and will never endanger my place in it. I have spent 80% of my life researching it and being inspired by it, so please do not insult me or my love for it. When you do, it shows that you are the opposite in feelings about it. It also calls into question, why are you involved in the Cornish language at all? The language died. It was brought back by a nationalist and a romantic. Yet you claim we academics are all romantics. Perplexing. Restoring the language is a very romantic notion, I assume Mr. Bailey's poetry is not then romantic? Is it realistic? Poems about the sea and islands and sky? The pretty delicate images? Another paradox. Strangely your so-called involvement in the revival is NOT romantic yet meanwhile ours is? How is that? Because the mythical computer based generated orthography gets your futurism kick going? Or that the phrase 'Cornish for the 21st Century' is thrown around? Sounds very romantic to me! Do we not derive our grammars, dictionaries and class-work from academics? Yet we have people in your group (Kemmyn) that are not qualified to teach it on a school or academic level? How do you plan on resolving this mess? Lie and harass the officials at various institutions to give you a teaching job? That wont work. So to solve this, you have been attacking the only people in the end, that are properly qualified to educate others in the language, when you yourselves cannot do it! No academics to claim on your side, at least none that relate to Celtic studies or languages. Another problems it seems. I would willingly move to Cornwall to teach Cornish on the academic level if so asked, but it appears that I would need body guards to keep me safe from these dangerous people that bash me here and on CornishOrth. So to end this lengthy tirade of mine: leave me alone, keep my name out of it as I am not participating in your little war here. Unlike most of you, I am busy and live and breath my passions in life, not waste time bickering with sociopathic people almost half a world away. To be truthful, I had forgotten all about you until recently and wish that I still did! It seems well known that Mr. Reeves and I have an unfortunate past online, but he was severely guilty of stalking me and others online, foraging dozens of fake profiles and personas (as he does to this very day!) and harassed us and our families until I could take no more. It was then I left the Revival. You would think that in that time since to this day, Mr. Reeves would have done something with his life (relating to Cornish) but it is still an empty slate. Ignore him, as I have told Mr. Treworth to do (and others), Mr. Reeves is a gnat on the backside of an elephant in the whole picture of the Revival. I would be friends with many of you in person I would gamble but you have an ability to make enemies from afar over matters that are out of your control. Diolch yn fawr iawn! Brian Young ........@yahoo.com' Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 09:13	Funny how the style of prose, the weird paranoid thought processes of Brian Young is exactly the same as that of jeettyworhty kind of like the Marhak/Craig Weetheralls dual personality. Oh dear the poor Kernwackers, !. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 09:19	Mr Young says, QuoteLads, You would assume that a bloke that has the nerve to give himself the pseudonym 'Bard' could actually be a virtuoso in language. But he instead minces words and tries to be high-minded sounding and educated, but fails utterly. The dead bards of the past roll in their tombs at hacks like this lads! Soweth dhe'n verdh wyr y'n Bys! icon_frown Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug Mr Young. Barth's knowledge of Cornish is far superior to yours and will always be. So before you accuse the Kemmynites of nastiness, I would look at your own rantings whether in the name of Brian Young or Jeettyworthy. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Coady online Posts: 1918 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 10:10	Despite the evident frustrations in Brian Young's letter, there is a good deal of sense in there. I expect I was not the only one dismayed to see all the dissent and nastiness seemingly festering behind the Cornish Language 'Movement' and finding it plastered all over a prominent web forum for the world to see. We live in interesting times.
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 10:19	gokyFunny how the style of prose, the weird paranoid thought processes of Brian Young is exactly the same as that of jeettyworhty kind of like the Marhak/Craig Weetheralls dual personality. Oh dear the poor Kernwackers, !. Goky, Mr. Young told me I would get this kind of response from you, so...I will simply ignore it for the garbage it really is. He also said your linguistic skills would reveal themselves in this 'wild accusation' because you are "a naturally paranoid lunatic out to damage the revival and nothing more." Please leave the revival Mr. Reeves, we all tired of your rantings and psychotic muck. JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
Nosdan Posts: 1151 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 10:21	Quote I expect I was not the only one dismayed to see all the dissent and nastiness seemingly festering behind the Cornish Language 'Movement' and finding it plastered all over a prominent web forum for the world to see. I agree, there are some people on here gong out of their way to be as nasty as possible on here... And I for one never want anything to do with them. I wish that certain people could be kicked, they show Cornish in a very bad light... Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 10:26	gokyMr Young says, QuoteLads, You would assume that a bloke that has the nerve to give himself the pseudonym 'Bard' could actually be a virtuoso in language. But he instead minces words and tries to be high-minded sounding and educated, but fails utterly. The dead bards of the past roll in their tombs at hacks like this lads! Soweth dhe'n verdh wyr y'n Bys! icon_frown Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug Mr Young. Barth's knowledge of Cornish is far superior to yours and will always be. So before you accuse the Kemmynites of nastiness, I would look at your own rantings whether in the name of Brian Young or Jeettyworthy. Goky, Again, leave the revival completely. You say nothing but trash talk about people you do not know and you expect others to believe it! Are you on medication? If not, look up a chemist for some. And as for Barth/Bardh's knowledge of Cornish - doubtful it is that high. The delusional lad seems to think he is the Taliesin of Kernowek yet none of his language skills show themselves here, only the same talk the rest of you give. Where is the linguistic flexibility and mind blowing wordage one thinks of when you think of 'Bard?' Mr. Young's style of writing and my own are similar, but then again, so are millions of people out there! You know why this is Mr. Reeves? We all are communicating on the same format: the written word! Imagine if we used cameras instead? What a visage you would bring! Reeves: LEAVE THE REVIVAL! JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
FlammNew Posts: 1814 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 10:41	JtreworthLEAVE THE REVIVAL! Wrong approach, we need as many people as possible in the Revival - but we need them to behave sensibly and productively. I'd rather hang onto goky but have him change his attitude. Mr Young isn't totally innocent, his reasons for leaving the Kernowak forum aren't precisely as he depicts them here. dukkha-samudaya-nirodha-magga
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 11:02	FlammNew JtreworthLEAVE THE REVIVAL! Wrong approach, we need as many people as possible in the Revival - but we need them to behave sensibly and productively. I'd rather hang onto goky but have him change his attitude. Mr Young isn't totally innocent, his reasons for leaving the Kernowak forum aren't precisely as he depicts them here. I think he is, you just have personal reasons yourself for incriminating him. I have read the dialogues and they were pointless and revealed someone's problems not seen before on any forum, much less he left primarly due to the bickering and accusations, the same behavior you are showing here Flammnew! Might you be that other party? You are really naive about things aren't you? It is amazing. Everything I have been told by Mr. Young et al about you people here is exact to the letter correct! You are: reactive, assuming, accusing, paranoid, delusional, hateful and illresponsible with the language that you claim means so much to you! If I weren't Cornish, I would leave the revival, but I want my heritage back. Even if i wade through this mine field of barkers to do it! JTreworth (P.S)Flammnew, if you have any evidence to the contrary I would love to hear it. I know Mr. Young might be interested in this conspiracy, if he is at all interested at what you have to say. Again, you do exactly what demeans the movement. Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
FlammNew Posts: 1814 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 11:25	I promised Evertype I wouldn't copy from the Kernowak list to C24, so I'll have to paraphrase the list moderator, who said that Mr Young was moderated for being impolite, and took himself off the list in protest. He says he was involved in a "pointless debate" - well if it was pointless why did he continue with it, to the point of incivility? I take offence at being called "paranoid", "delusional" and "hateful", none of which are true. I'm not sure what "illresponsible" means but if I work it out I'll probably be offended by that as well. Now, before I get uncivil myself, I'm off this thread. Enjoy! dukkha-samudaya-nirodha-magga
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 11:37	FlammNewI promised Evertype I wouldn't copy from the Kernowak list to C24, so I'll have to paraphrase the list moderator, who said that Mr Young was moderated for being impolite, and took himself off the list in protest. He says he was involved in a "pointless debate" - well if it was pointless why did he continue with it, to the point of incivility? I take offence at being called "paranoid", "delusional" and "hateful", none of which are true. I'm not sure what "illresponsible" means but if I work it out I'll probably be offended by that as well. Now, before I get uncivil myself, I'm off this thread. Enjoy! Flammnew, The simple fact of the matter is: before you spread rumours aplenty, the matter became simply down to splitting hairs over a trivial topic not related to the Cornish language. And both parties in this debate were equally uncivil but Evertype seemed to show a bias towards the other party involved and did not intervene. Instead he turned on Mr. Young, and that was when he (Mr. Young) had it and left. He said he was tired of this needless bantering and lack of equality in the moderation on the list. Especially over a matter that was needlessly continued by the other party in the first place. I have copies of this exchange and it was really...well stupid. The other (who I wont mention) party was taking offence at nothing and felt he had to bicker over it, while Mr. Young repeatedly asked him to calm down and not take it so seriously and ultimately, how did this topic have any importance to Cornish? It did not. You people make alot of nothing out of nothing! And what do you get from it all? Nothing. Ironically, I guess people have to watch their P's and Q's around here and on the Kernowak list! Only less than 10% of the talk on this forum is actually about the language in a positive way, the rest is refuse. JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 12:24	I may go overboard a bit, but I play the joker, my attention is only against the nasty side of the Kernowacky fringe, starting back with the Piper, and his vitriol which was accepted as a perfect example of Celtic Satire by non other than Everson, and thenn we move on to Eddie C, and now I have finally made BY come out of his hole. I am not here to present linguistic arguments, I leave that to the actual Cornish speakers, most of whom on here appear to be KK users, as I have said and others before me, the KS crowd are more interested in destroying the revival rather than helping it. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Evertype Posts: 1157 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 13:51	it was good satire. You just didn't like it because it was aimed at you. We are not interested in "destroying the Revival". What nonsense. Our KS draft is by any estimation a very good piece of work. It is precise and accurate. It does what it sets out to do. You can't just dismiss it because it didn't come from Ken George. And you can't do so with lies about us wanting to "destroy the Revival".
marhak online Posts: 3210 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 16:24	Except than to register the fact, the latest attacks (and assumptions) by the well-named Goky merit no further response from me other than to invite my contempt. I expect than when I next see Craig Weatherhill (G. hasn't even the courtesy to spell his name right)for a pint, he will say something similar but, knowing him, he'll express it in one short word. He will not be asking me to post any more letters: he's far too busy on his own work and the new book about the archaeology of Cornwall. edited by: marhak, Aug 16, 2007 - 03:27 PM
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 20:31	The Piper's so called satire,(very debatable) was aimed at Tim Saunders, (who was also kicked off the board), Keith, Paul Dunbar and others. But typical of the KS gang. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 20:31	Oops sorry Craig Witheralls. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
morvran Posts: 1293 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 21:36	Dydh Da Ebrenn! Dydh Da Kommolennow! Q. Who on earth does Mr. Young think I am? I think the gentleman is a little confused. Could someone lead him gently back to his ivory tower and make him a nice cup of cocoa.
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 23:05	morvran Q. Who on earth does Mr. Young think I am? I think the gentleman is a little confused. Could someone lead him gently back to his ivory tower and make him a nice cup of cocoa. I believe he, with others, see you as a trouble maker, a liar and a devious neferious fellow. Evidence is quite strong in this assumption. If there is any contrary evidence, everyone would love to see it for themselves! (PS) Your statement above, along with your sidekick Goky's, hits home his open letter and provides supporting evidence. Muer rasta! JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 16.Aug 2007 - 23:20	No one is my sidekick, I act alone. do not associate anyone else with me. Morvran and Bard have done far more for the revival than you ever will jeettyworthy . thank you. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 00:14	gokyNo one is my sidekick, I act alone. do not associate anyone else with me. Morvran and Bard have done far more for the revival than you ever will jeettyworthy . thank you. That are not their sidekick is debatable. Not that anyone would associate with you that is part of the Human race. You are right, Morvran and Bard have done alot for the revival: their harassments, attacks and mean-spirited behavior far surpasses the good they or anyone else has ever done since the mid-80's! Good observation lass! Why is it that you toot their horns, yet I have never really seem much of their work here in Kernow? Sounds like talk to me. You know, I have had better arguements with six year olds than with Goky! JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 00:19	Well I suppose if you hang around with 6 year olds, whatever turns you on. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 00:21	Well Barth has published quite a few works actually, certainly more than a coloring book. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 03:02	gokyWell Barth has published quite a few works actually, certainly more than a coloring book. A coloring book? What does that have to do anything he has published? Goky, you are crazy! JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 03:05	gokyWell I suppose if you hang around with 6 year olds, whatever turns you on. I am not the one that is into a thing called 'Golden Showers' and claimed online loudly for the longest time that he was not a paedophile. I have read your past posts on forums...interesting stuff. I tire bantering with you, perhaps you can shove off and let the Cornish learners talk for a change? That's a good lass. JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 03:40	Well I finally drew Brian Young out of his slimey pit, this guy is an extreme example maybe , but typical of the UCR/KS group, and they love this guy,! Then you have Dan Prohaska who bans people from his little forum who do not agree with his little theories, The Piper and Eddie the Clown, Marhak aka Wetheralls, the secret club of Kernowacky,(maybe they have their own secret handshake), heaven help the revival if this lot get in!> Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 05:39	gokyWell I finally drew Brian Young out of his slimey pit, this guy is an extreme example maybe , but typical of the UCR/KS group, and they love this guy,! Then you have Dan Prohaska who bans people from his little forum who do not agree with his little theories, The Piper and Eddie the Clown, Marhak aka Wetheralls, the secret club of Kernowacky,(maybe they have their own secret handshake), heaven help the revival if this lot get in!> Goky, You are no one notable in the revival, just a trouble-maker with a bad reputation. Yes you did draw Mr. Young out of seclusion, but then again it took the efforts of many illustrious people who you follow in their wake to do so. And the reasons were negative completely. He said his peace here and true to form, neither you or Mr. Bailey could respect it enough to not react with your comments and insults. Your reactions give the finest example of why he and others dislike you. Why do you act surprised when they display such an attitude towards you? It is a no-brainer! Dan, Eddie, the Piper, Marhak and others you bash are far beyond your station in life Mr. Goky. And here is why: look at your behavior, what you say insultingly about them, how you interact with them. You make this revival very undesirable for others through and through! Aided by your fellow sociopaths, you feel like you can bully others down to their knees or in exile. You do not deserve to breathe the same air as these people because of your lowly behavior. In addition, you do not have the intellect nor vision of the revival in mind to have the say what their place is in the revival! Who are you to make that call considering your rotten personality? You are less than a troll or a flamer, much less. I agree with Nosdan, i believe, who said too bad there is no way to kick out certain people from the movement! It does not take a rocket scientist to see where and from whom the trouble lies in this revival. Maybe after the commission is done and the SWF is chosen, that many of you will simply fade into the darkness. Mr. Bailey said he would if KS was chosen, a few others as well. Let us pray this is so, so that clear headed and professionals can do things right! Now leave me alone, I have to work in the morning and I am awake too late in already. These blokes you always mention must haunt your dreams at night, but you dont have a conscious so what does it matter eh? JTreworth NOS DA! Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 10:29	Quote Posted: 17.08.2007, 09:52 Jtreworth registered: Jul. 2007 Posts: 73 Status: online Ironic how you talk about others engaged in mocking, disrupting, lying about and undermining, and no less by these so-called "dissidents". When you are the symbol for what these terms define. I guess there must be two morvrans on this forum, one who does the dirty deeds and another that tries to sound lofty, intellectual and in a position of power! So these 'others' are dissidents? Explain. Didn't the junta to the revival occur with your group twenty odd years ago? Ran by a dictator and his minions using bullyboy tactics? You are a scary and sad old man Bailey, good thing you live over 40 minutes away from me! How do you plan to teach Cornish in the schools when you are not qualified? Your views and opinions on this do not matter really. Here is your so called mockery! JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug/ Keith lives more than 6 hours flying time from you BT/JW, I bet he is glad as is most of Cornwall, the Kernowacky crowd may not be ashamed of you, but I think most of the rational people in Cornwall would be. I would lay of the threats if I were you. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 17.Aug 2007 - 18:19	goky Quote Posted: 17.08.2007, 09:52 Jtreworth registered: Jul. 2007 Posts: 73 Status: online Ironic how you talk about others engaged in mocking, disrupting, lying about and undermining, and no less by these so-called "dissidents". When you are the symbol for what these terms define. I guess there must be two morvrans on this forum, one who does the dirty deeds and another that tries to sound lofty, intellectual and in a position of power! So these 'others' are dissidents? Explain. Didn't the junta to the revival occur with your group twenty odd years ago? Ran by a dictator and his minions using bullyboy tactics? You are a scary and sad old man Bailey, good thing you live over 40 minutes away from me! How do you plan to teach Cornish in the schools when you are not qualified? Your views and opinions on this do not matter really. Here is your so called mockery! JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug/ Keith lives more than 6 hours flying time from you BT/JW, I bet he is glad as is most of Cornwall, the Kernowacky crowd may not be ashamed of you, but I think most of the rational people in Cornwall would be. I would lay of the threats if I were you. That is quite unusual Goky lass, I did not know that Kernow was THAT big! What a surprise! It seems that every post you give, you have to insult someone, and if it isn't one person in particular, than it is the whole lot of them under the word Kernowacky. Why wont you leave the revival alone? You are the very example under which 'Kernowacky' falls, yet you openly use it towards others. I believe that the people in Kernow would be, and are, deeply ashamed about you. Simply because you are not a contributor to the language in any possible capacity, you do not write, teach or create generally for its sake, yet you make trouble and side with the underdog in politically based matters that you cannot every influence. Every scene has its psychotic people on the fringe, look at rugby. I see them all the time afterwards in the pub, talking the same bullocks as you do here. You are very much incapable of being a positive factor in this movement but that does not sway you. You attack strangers online for using the language, yet you cannot even use it yourself. Mr. Reeves, what are you gaining in doing this? Surely it is not a peace of mind? Threats? I dont think you read my post well enough, no surprise considering the source. I was referring to the fact that Mr. Bailey does not live too far from me and that is a scary thing to realize! I am the one that feels threatened, not the one giving a threat! My suggestion Goky lass is to take baby steps with the English language before undertaking any Cornish. Slowly you can learn how to read better and then write in response correctly! When you are done wiping the elderly's behinds, you can pick up a good basic grammar on English an go from there. Leave language matters to the experts and those that are learning it! That's a good lass. JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 18.Aug 2007 - 12:29	I for one am sick and tired of the continual fighting and abuse over the Language. All sides are as bad as one another, they all have their good People and their more enthusiastis supporters. Why the hell can't we just wait for the SWF and support it, for god sake. We have the KK People who, having followed this for a few years now, seem to me to be the 'put upon' Group. The Pompus and Arrogant attitude from some of the others is totally unbelievable at times. These idiots and enimies of the Language, say things like 'KK is not real Cornish' what total bulls**t. All the Forms are Cornish, but each with a different perspective. I think that when the Anti KK Factions STOP abusing KK, there might be a way forward. I personally have no set postion, except that I will support the SWF. I do however have my Opinions, and lets be Honest, thats what all the positions are, just opinion. I do not and cannot support Late Cornish, but that doesn't mean that I have the right to attack it and say that it is not Cornish. I do not and cannot support anyone who are so blinkered as to say that only attestation is the real Form, for writing is ONLY a way of putting Words into a Form of communicating them. I will never support the use of 'loan words' when there are good Cornish Words available, these 'Loan Words' must be removed from the Language, period. It is about time that ALL those with infexable Positions actually looked at what is best for the future of the Language. STOP being so arrogant and you just might get a little respect back.
Pokorny Posts: 213 Posted: 18.Aug 2007 - 13:29	Angofbew, you are right about the bickering. Unfortunately it seems that for a small number of people (on all sides) the Spelling Debate has become a matter of such emotional imnportance that the whole discussion has long ago become reminiscent of an unceasing family feud - difficult to understand to outsiders, but fought fanatically to the last drop of blood. Re loanwords: Where do you draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable loans? Or do you mean that all loanwords, regardless of how well they have been assimilated or how long they have been part of the language, should be replaced? You should bear in mind that well above 20% of the basic vocabulary of Classical Middle Cornish as exemplified by UC and KK consists of assimilated loans. Do you think that the language should be purged of, say, words of Latin origin like <eglos> or <keus>? I can understand that you find the style of texts like TH ("Kernewek Pronter", c.f. "brezhoneg beleg") with their gratuitous borrowings from and calques on English, disturbing. But this is entirely different from cases like, well, "eglos". Overzealous linguistic purism has never served a language too well. edited by: Pokorny, Aug 18, 2007 - 02:31 PM
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 18.Aug 2007 - 13:43	Loan words are a touchy subject in any language, for example Arabic has official terms for Telephone,Computer, Bank etc, which are used by the Media, and the Government but the man on the street says "Teleefon",'Bank" Komputeer" etc. If Cornish had survived as a community language , the same issue would probably apply, the purists would use "pure " forms , but the local farmer or fisherman would use many loan words. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Nosdan Posts: 1151 Posted: 18.Aug 2007 - 14:26	The responsibility lies on us to limit the amount of English borrowings, the real future of Kernewek begins after SWF, so we the current users have a duty to limit the amount we use in our teachings and passing of the language to learners. I think that is why an easily update-able interactive dictionary on-line, with all known Cornish words and a place to add new ones, is needed! Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 18.Aug 2007 - 18:41	I was thinking more on the lines of Tregear and his use of loan words. There are many good Cornish words as well as English borrowed words, and i meant that where their is a Cornish word then the English Loan Word should be scrapped. This is not what the supporters of 'attestation' are saying, their position is that because it is in Tregear then it is acceptable, well to me it is not. I think we have the chance now to regain some position on this. I agree with Nosdan, in that an Internet Dictonary would be an ideal thing. A quick and easy way to access words that are not a part of normal everyday speach is needed. Pokorny, I agree pretty much with what you are saying, and no i do not want purist extremism. Many words will need to be looked at in their own context. I do think that where their is a need for a 'New Word' if it can be brought about by using Cornish stems, then that is what we do. However if not, then we must first look to Welsh and Breton before we look elsewhere.
GoghiennVarow Posts: 166 Posted: 18.Aug 2007 - 22:57	QuoteLoan words are a touchy subject in any language, for example Arabic has official terms for Telephone,Computer, Bank etc, which are used by the Media, and the Government but the man on the street says "Teleefon",'Bank" Komputeer" etc. I think that loan-words and slang are beyond proscription anyway, and whatever sticks, sticks. Words like 'pellgowser' and 'pellwolok' seem pretty well entrenched as modern terms for 'telephone' and 'television' from Kernewek stems, however things like 'plasenn arghansek' for 'compact disc' seems to be losing out to the very Anglo-phonic 'sidi'.
Nosdan Posts: 1151 Posted: 18.Aug 2007 - 23:21	IF you teach it people will use it! Thats the most important thing, plasenn arghansek maybe losing out because its not being taught to people... Think how many times pellwolok and pellgowser are used in learning materials. I cant think of a book i have without one of them, ive never heard of plasenn arghansek... With a viable internet depository of new words, a consensus can be quickly established on a created words, and can be quickly disseminated. Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)
morvyl Posts: 388 Posted: 18.Aug 2007 - 23:47	I agree that many loan words in Tregear are probably ad hoc borrowings and ought to be looked at critically before using or discarding them. I firmly believe though that everything that occurred in traditional Cornish ought to be permitted at least. If a Cornish speaker wants to use these words, or not, it should be up to his or her stylistic preferences. A loan word, however, that is well established in various texts and can pretty much safely assumed to have been every day Cornish vocabulary should not be discouraged, I don't think, even if it may "sound English", especially when no other Cornish word is available. I believe this bending-over-backwards purism to be pedantic and quite unnecessary.
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 08:24	morvyl, I am not against loan woerds per se, what i am saying is that when there is a loan word that has a Cornish equivalent then it should go. I do not agree with you entirely on this, but repect your opinion. On laon words in general, I think we are in a position to say that if we look at both Breton and Welsh and there is a word in both, we can assume quite safely that it would of been in Cornish too. My argument is that this should be the stratagy we use when looking for 'lost' words. Also I do not agree with you on the first sentance of the last paragraph, sorry. I do believe that where there is a Cornish word then the load word should be discouraged. As I think this only weakens the Language, you might find that this is one of the big hurdles where other speakers are concerned. Personally when I see this in an argument for say UCR or anything else, I tend to go against the arguments that support that faction. I believe that when KK was adopted, many supported it simply because the spelling was so unlike English and not on other factors that the might not of understood.
Eddie-C Posts: 773 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 09:44	If you look at the Welsh 'Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru, GPC (free abridged e-text version can be downloaded from http://www.aber...gpc_pdfs.htm, you'll find that they have a relaxed attitude towards including loan words in this definitive Welsh dictionary. Such loans are listed regardless of whether or not there's a close Welsh equivalent. As a Welsh speaker, my impression is that the attitude to this in Wales is not one of Right and Wrong, but more one of appropriate style. So, in everyday speech many people will use English loan words much more freely than they would in formal speech. An example of this (which I've mentioned before, so please skip ahead if you've already read it) is something I heard in a North Wales bank, between 2 native speakers. The customer said to the bank teller, "Dwi'n wantio transfferio ffunds o'r cwrrent account i'r deposit account, plis." He was using so many English loan words that there's no need to offer a translation, I'm sure! Just about all of those loan words are listed in the GPC, and many native Welsh speakers would use them (although not everyone would overdo it to the extent that this chap did). I won't pretend I like the Welsh he was using (and I wouldn't use it myself), but he's a native speaker and I'm not. However, he was speaking in a casual situation, where this style or register may be fairly acceptable. It would be quite unacceptable for, say, the Finance Minister in the Welsh Assembly to speak in this casual register when making his/her Budget speech. It would sound as incongruous as hearing a government minister in the Houses of Parliament using Cockney rhyming slang in a speech. The sort of prescriptive linguistics some people here are advocating is not widely accepted these days. My view is that the Definitive Cornish Dictionary should contain just about all the words in all the texts from the historical corpus. In addition, it should contain just about all the words in all of the modern, revived corpus, from every single variety of Revived Cornish. It would be a good idea to mark the provenance of each entry, to show which text it came from, or which modern dictionary, or which variety of Revived Cornish had engendered any neologisms. It would be acceptable to give both the original spelling(s) as well as a normalised SWF spelling. It would be fine to mark a word as an English or Breton loan. And it would be fine to mark an entry as 'deprecated: see xxx' to suggest another word instead. But it would not be acceptable to censor the dictionary to suit the views of the lexicographer. Think about it: one lexicographer might have a prejudice against English loans and calques, while another might reject, say, Welsh-based items, or French ones, or slang, or swear words or . . . Definitive dictionaries, such as the GPC, must reflect the language as it actually is, and has been, used rather than as the lexicographer wishes it to be. After all, the final decision as to which words are actually used is up to the speakers of the language; all the experts can do is advise. Of course, specialised dictionaries like those for schools, or learners, or students of historical linguistics must pick and choose what goes into them, but the editorial rules for these smaller dictionaries are necessarily different from those for a Definitive Dictionary. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS y'n Udn Form Screfys? -- Hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 10:49	Eddie, I agree with a lot of what you say. However we are not in the same position as either Welsh or Breton, we do not have a bank of Native Speakers. I think that this puts us in a difficult position in regards to the use of Loan Words. I see it like this, at this stage we need eo be more like the 'correct english' Brigade, in that what we should be aiming for, is as pure a Language as we can, that would be the Official Form. Outside of this, users would use whatever they feel they want to use, which is fine. BUT, I do think that an Official Form is necessary, and important. I am not talking about coloqual Cornish, more of a High Browed Cornish if you want.
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 11:21	QuoteThats the most important thing, plasenn arghansek maybe losing out because its not being taught to people... Think how many times pellwolok and pellgowser are used in learning materials. I think speakers will use whatever term is easier to use or say, "pellgowser" and "pellwolok" have been established, the Germans say "Fernsehen" but even they use the international term "Telefon" 'Cee Dee" or however it will be spelt will I think catch on quicker then the more convoluted "Plasenn Arghensek" (even formal Arabic uses "si-di")this would probably go for a lot of modern technological terms such as DVD or HD,especially when (unlike in most other languages) the media and advertising in Cornwall will be in English , packaging and instructions manuals will come in English and the other European languages plus Chinese and Japanese,but not in Cornish. The process in Cornwall will be no different then in French,German, Japanese where English loan words for popular culture and consumer items would be used despite the protests of the language purists in those countries. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Nosdan Posts: 1151 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 13:06	With the need for new learning materials after SWF perhaps we should be including lots of everyday media items in it! Perhaps we should be using cornish variations of DVD, HD and CD more? Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 13:27	well UCR for Compact disc uses 'platten gompact" which I suppose could end up being "Pee-Gee" Modern Cornish uses "disk arrans" and KK 'Plasenn Arghensek" so as you seee UCR uses a mixture of English and Cornish Modern Cornish as well although the other way round. and KK uses purely Cornish roots. Of course the days of the CD are over, so now we move on to MP3 player. Even if the SWF is settled, the decision will still have to be made on whether to coin new terms or use loans or a bit of both. edited by: goky, Aug 19, 2007 - 01:28 PM Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
morvyl Posts: 388 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 13:31	angofbew morvyl, I am not against loan woerds per se, what i am saying is that when there is a loan word that has a Cornish equivalent then it should go. Well, I see what you mean, but I wouldn't say that it ought to go, but that the speaker has the choice in a dictionary between using a well attested loan word and a Cornish equivalent. If the Cornish equivalent is well attested then it should definitely be encouraged, such as "convedhas" in favour of "understondya". angofbew I do not agree with you entirely on this, but repect your opinion. That's always a good start angofbew On laon words in general, I think we are in a position to say that if we look at both Breton and Welsh and there is a word in both, we can assume quite safely that it would of been in Cornish too. It will remain an assumption. In our current position such assumptions are legitimate, but these forms should always appear next to the attested word in dictionaries and should be so indicated so that the speaker has the chance to chose between a well attested loan word and a word reconstructed through Breton and Welsh. angofbew My argument is that this should be the stratagy we use when looking for 'lost' words. Also I do not agree with you on the first sentence of the last paragraph, sorry. I do believe that where there is a Cornish word then the load word should be discouraged. As I think this only weakens the Language, you might find that this is one of the big hurdles where other speakers are concerned. I completely disagree that loan words "weaken" a language, just look at English and that language is anything but weak in our day and age. Loan words are a fact of language life - they have always existed and always will. Words perceived as Cornish, such as "eglos, gol, pons, cusca, bednath, mollath" and so many others, are loan words. They were borrowed from Latin, when the Romans were the rulers of the British lowlands, not the English. Loan words are part of the history of a language. Don't get me wrong, I'll prefer a "good Cornish" word of a loan word any day, but I don't think we ought to "purify" the language and make it into something it never was. That's very 19th century... angofbew Personally when I see this in an argument for say UCR or anything else, I tend to go against the arguments that support that faction. Now you're moving back into the spelling debate, when the discussion about loan words has nothing to do with it. The question of dealing with loan words is relevant to any orthographic form. It's too simplistic to say that UCRers like English loan words and KKers do not. angofbew I believe that when KK was adopted, many supported it simply because the spelling was so unlike English and not on other factors that the might not of understood. And many didn't support it, which is why we're here 20 years later arguaing over the same things... but again, this is another discussion entirely.
morvyl Posts: 388 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 13:35	Nosdan With the need for new learning materials after SWF perhaps we should be including lots of everyday media items in it! Perhaps we should be using cornish variations of DVD, HD and CD more? Yes. Is there a definitive decision on the pronunciation of the letters of the alphabet in Cornish? if we had a vote on that then the letters DVD, HD and CD could be used, but pronounced as though spelling them out in Cornish. German speakers will say "CD" and pronounce [tse: de:] which is the way the letters "C" and "D" are spoken, quite different from the English [si: di:].
Eddie-C Posts: 773 Posted: 19.Aug 2007 - 15:34	Foreign acronyms and abbreviations pose a particular problem in many languages, particularly where you have a largely bilingual population. Some of the possibilities are: -- just use the Anglo-American acronym with Anglo-American pronunciation, -- use it but with a local pronunciation -- use a home-grown expression -- make an acronym from the home-grown expression. In Welsh, I've heard most of these used by different native speakers for, say, the British Broadcasting Corporation: /Bee Bee See/, /Bay Bay Eck'/ , 'Corfforaeth Darlledu Brydeinig', but I don't recall hearing the corresponding acronyms for the latter one (i.e. /See Dee Bee/ or /Eck Day Bay/). Overall, though, I'd guess that there's rather more of a tendency to use use 1st-language acronyms and abbreviations in a minority language that there is to use 1-st language words. That would, I fancy, not be as true for common acronyms (e.g., i.e., E.U., etc.) as for less common ones (R.S.V.P., R.I.P., et seq.). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS y'n Udn Form Screfys? -- Hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 11:33	the Great Weetheralls says. QuoteNo retraction or apology from Keith then, re the Chubbs, even though his accusation re Dalleth has been shown to be utterly wrong. What a surprise. cannot leave an issue alone can you, maybe Keith has a life and has not been on this forum to reply yet or maybe he feels he does not need to respond to any of the Kernowackys, only to get spit on. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 15:10	gokythe Great Weetheralls says. QuoteNo retraction or apology from Keith then, re the Chubbs, even though his accusation re Dalleth has been shown to be utterly wrong. What a surprise. cannot leave an issue alone can you, maybe Keith has a life and has not been on this forum to reply yet or maybe he feels he does not need to respond to any of the Kernowackys, only to get spit on. Talk about not leaving an issue alone! Or not having a life. You seem unable to leave anyone or thing alone for long Goky. Who cares about your website? JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 17:06	Can we please cut out all the personal attacks. It is not helping in any way, and continues to broaden the gap between the Camps. I wish all sides could understand that their opinions are not set in Stone. Others have their opinions which are just as valid. This is no way to reach a comprimise, we have to work together. As a united front is the ONLY way for the Language to succeed.
Eddie-C Posts: 773 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 17:37	angofbewCan we please cut out all the personal attacks. It is not helping in any way, and continues to broaden the gap between the Camps. I totally agree, O Smithly One! Perhaps we might avoid such gratuitous insults as 'prat', 'shit' and 'dickhead' on these threads, eh? Now, where did I last hear those words? . . . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS y'n Udn Form Screfys? -- Hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 17:44	You oh pompous and arrogant one brought that upon yourself by attacking me.
Eddie-C Posts: 773 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 17:57	Hey! Look on the bright side: at least you now know how to spell 'pompuss' . . . errrrr . . . 'pompus' errrr . . .! Don't bother to thank me Not an attack on you, O orthographically challenged one, but on your use of English. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS y'n Udn Form Screfys? -- Hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 18:10	angofbewYou oh pompous and arrogant one brought that upon yourself by attacking me. It is quite embarassing that these people are not skilled enough in English (Sawsnek)to insult you Eddie, or anyone else. A little misguided in their hostility by linguistics. This angofbew chap seems like Goky in his tone but he cant be. Childish all of it. JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 18:14	Eddie-C angofbewCan we please cut out all the personal attacks. It is not helping in any way, and continues to broaden the gap between the Camps. I totally agree, O Smithly One! Perhaps we might avoid such gratuitous insults as 'prat', 'shit' and 'dickhead' on these threads, eh? Now, where did I last hear those words? . . . Funny when you think about it. These words come from someone that has talked down to others for their flame-wars and insults and they say some of the worst words so far on these threads! 'Angofbew', 'Flammnew' and few others here are very hypocrital it seems....or is it an oxymoron? Sorry you had to be called this Eddie, but we all have had our share of abuse here. We just need to form a phalanx and fight back when needed. JTreworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
marhak online Posts: 3210 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 18:26	No, I can't leave it alone when people have been falsely accused and the culprit isn't man enough to apologise.
Eddie-C Posts: 773 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 18:30	Ah, Marhak, the problem isn't that you can't 'leave it alone', it's that you support one of the wrong orthographies, don'cha know! If you were a KK supporter, your excrement would be anosmic, or --if you prefer-- yer poo wouldna pong! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS y'n Udn Form Screfys? -- Hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!
Nosdan Posts: 1151 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 19:07	Why is there always someone trying to get the last jibe in? Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 21:04	Eddie the Clown are know you are a bit challanged in the brain department but this is a forum regarding Cornwall and the Cornish Language, not about English. Just thought I would let you know. Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 21:27	OK I have had it with you two low life pieces of Scum. Who the hell do you think you are talking to People the way you do. We try to not be so offensive as you, because we have manners, something you two obviously do not have. All either of you have done is come in here, throw your pathetic tantrums about how you are right, and everyone elso who does not agree with you are wrong. It is no wonder the KK Camp want nothing to do with you pathetic speimens of Humanity. You do your side no favours, and where I was open to what the SWF should be, I now find myself 100% on the KK side. I am thankfully in a position where I might be able to bring some pressure to bear with the right People. As for you two, the writing is on the wall.
Eddie-C Posts: 773 Posted: 20.Aug 2007 - 22:30	In traditional Celtic society, the smith was held in a position of respect, both for his wisdom and for the arcane craft of which he was master. Alas, in these diminished latter days he seems to have dwindled to a mere bag of hot air. And empty threats, of course. Look at the language used: The Living Smith'lowlife pieces of Scum . . . who the hell do you think you are . . . pathetic tantrums . . . pathetic specimens of Humanity . . . pressure to bear on the right People . . . writing is on the wall'. Yes, it's plain to see that you 'have manners', just like you claim, unlike such unlettered yahoos as I, who am unable to reach your rarefied heights of politeness. By the way, I just love your innovative use of initial capitals. Would you like to explain to us 'pathetic specimens' the underlying style guide you work from? Is it Victorian novelists like Jane Austen who have influenced you, or is this some spontaneous concoction of your own, perhaps? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS y'n Udn Form Screfys? -- Hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!
Jtreworth Posts: 108 Posted: 21.Aug 2007 - 02:46	angofbewOK I have had it with you two low life pieces of Scum. Who the hell do you think you are talking to People the way you do. We try to not be so offensive as you, because we have manners, something you two obviously do not have. All either of you have done is come in here, throw your pathetic tantrums about how you are right, and everyone elso who does not agree with you are wrong. It is no wonder the KK Camp want nothing to do with you pathetic speimens of Humanity. You do your side no favours, and where I was open to what the SWF should be, I now find myself 100% on the KK side. I am thankfully in a position where I might be able to bring some pressure to bear with the right People. As for you two, the writing is on the wall. He ('An Gof') is: 1.) Unable to write correctly in English, so therefore has no room to talk about linguistic matters. I may pass over a word but I do not spell every other word wrong! So how, one may ask, is he able to judge others on Cornish matters and their orthographies at all? Learn one language to some degree, then be on an equal footing to say something. 2.) Has a thin skin and takes to insults quickly. Notice how he rips into people he doesn't even know, typical of internet based communication today. 3.) Possesses no knowledge of the Cornish language to able to know how KK is wrong on all criteria for an acceptable revived language. He bases his loyalty with KK on random posts in a 'turf war' going back twenty years that he jumps into the middle of, not knowing the history. The writing is on the wall and it is typical of this sort of crap. We could change the topic from Cornish to...flyfishing in the Dee and we would be still this over heated because the internet is an easy place to stir up trouble, it is a safe one. I have no quarrel with you angofbew, but you had no rightly observed matters previously when you started to drag Eddie and myself into this grudge of yours about the orthography! Not to insult your fluency in Cornish or English again, BUT your loyalties in the SWF matter will not change things here between people who have an old opposition going back to a time that I am sure you had no knowledge or interest in the language. Your skill level is not going to change things here, in fact the lack of good writing in English displays a lack of good knowledge in Cornish also, I think Eddie brought this point up and you got offended..... Jim Treworth Me vy vennaf cowsel Kemmynek po Kernowek Fug!
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 21.Aug 2007 - 16:22	Hope to see you both at the Gorsedd.
Eddie-C Posts: 773 Posted: 21.Aug 2007 - 16:44	Well, that's very civil of you--might see you there on the 1st. Let's hope the weather's fine for the day; it makes all the difference if there's some sunshine and no rain. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS y'n Udn Form Screfys? -- Hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!
angofbew Posts: 899 Posted: 21.Aug 2007 - 17:33	I will definately be there Eddie. Bring your clone along and say hello.
goky online Posts: 1639 Posted: 1.Sep 2007 - 17:47	Should there not be some rule against a Kernowacker posting someone else's picture as their Avatar, as Brian Young, of coloring book fame has done. Are the KS crowd that demented.??? Blog Gokypyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Nowyth