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"Cornewallia & Wallia" / "Anglia" 1564
http://www.walkingtree.com/mapscornwall.html
http://www.walkingtree.com/mapsengland.html
Celtic Britain 450-600
http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/FeaturesBritain/BritishMap.htm
Nations of the British Isles
http://website.lineone.net/~john_gillbard/crn_map.htm
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11.Jun 2005 - 11:40
No, but seriously. If anyone does have some interesting, copyright free maps of Cornwall I'd be interested in using them as well.
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http://www.euro...version/eng/
The European Nations and non-State Regions
http://www.euro...-nations.asp
The European native people and ethnic minorities in Europe
http://www.euro...e-europe.asp
The languages of the European Union
http://www.euro...uages-eu.asp
The languages of the great Europe
http://www.euro...languages.as
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11.Jun 2005 - 19:22
As I say, it's an alternate history. The idea is that the Normans were defeated in 1066 and the unification of England that began under King Athelstan proved to be as temporary as other previous efforts to bring the whole of England (and later Britain) under one king. Over time, the boundaries of the Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy and the Celtic nations, which had previously been subject to fluctuations, eventually settled into a fixed pattern, much as the boundaries between the Home Nations of the UK did (Herefordshire was still part of Wales well into Tudor times, IIRC). The map represents what I think the boundaries might have looked like today.
For more details, see http://alt-tolk...3wyvern.html, though this article is almost 10 years old and some of it makes me cringe a little when I read it now.
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http://www.nava.org/Flag%20Information/articles/blackandwhite/black_and_white.htm
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http://www.manxman.co.im/cleague/
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22.Jun 2005 - 03:53
Continental mapmakers Gerardus Mercator (1512), Balthasar Moretus (1624), Giovanni Magini (1596), Abraham Ortelius (1570) and Sebastian Munster (1550) produced maps bearing the term "British Isles". Ortelius makes clear his understanding that England, Scotland and Ireland were politically nominally at least separate in 1570 by the full title of his map: "Angliae, Scotiae et Hiberniae, sive Britannicar. insularum descriptio" which translates as "a description of England, Scotland and Ireland, or the British Isles", additionally many maps from this period show Cornwall as a separate nation, most notably Mercator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles
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30.Aug 2005 - 22:16
Sebastian Munster 1540
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30.Aug 2005 - 22:29
It's interesting to see stroppygob comes from Dementia or is it Dimetia? Good job he's got a good sense of humour
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31.Aug 2005 - 17:27
The Dominions of Cnut (1014-1035) - clearly showing Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall as separate countries.
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Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and England - Sebastian Munster 1550
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http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/maps/index.html
http://www.britannia.com/history/histmaps.html
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3.Sep 2005 - 12:00
Girolamo Ruscelli 1561
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11.Sep 2005 - 01:20
You may find the following of interest regarding your mappa mundi!
http://www.britannia.com/history/herefords/mm-exhib.html
http://www.britannia.com/history/herefords/mapmundi.html
An interesting reference in the former and the latter seems to be a clearer indication of the British Isles, and a comparison between them might help you.
http://www.sochistdisc.org/2002_articles/westrem.htm
http://www.sochistdisc.org/2002_articles/westrem/westremfig02.JPG
The latter is an image within the previous link which can be expanded to show the divisions , forming part of the 'westrem' discussion
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11.Sep 2005 - 21:04
To be found in prof C B Fawcett's "Provinces of England"
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25.Oct 2005 - 00:28
I do love maps. I've got a load from "Gardiners Atlas of English History (1904) showing the first home of the English and Kernow referred to as the 'West Welsh'.
I'm not sure how to get them onto this page though. Any help would be appreciated!![/img]
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25.Oct 2005 - 00:50
Kernow Bys Vyken !
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25.Oct 2005 - 13:46
...and the same man was mentioned in this para from an article in the Society Guardian (online) of 04/11/04 in the week of the north-east England regional assembly referendum:
"If Mr Prescott gets his way, he will realise a policy first proposed by CB Fawcett, from Staindrop, in 1919. Since then, the idea has been frequently taken off the shelf by various figures, including the unlikely figure of a Conservative politician, Lord Eustace Percy (Baron Percy of Newcastle), who called for a regional government in the 1930s. A full three quarters of a century later, the matter is being put to the voters, despite the protestations of Percy's modern day political counterparts in the Conservative party."
He was made a Fellow of the Royal Scottish Geographical Society in 1922 - don't tell me he was a Scot?
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6.Nov 2005 - 17:45
Double click to view larger. All but one from "Gardiners Atlas of English History 1904" "Ethnography of Europe" from the Edinburgh Geographical Institute 1938.
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10.Nov 2005 - 23:48
I disagree, however, with the fifth, as it shows the population of most of Scotland and of Cumbria as Anglian. :x
What about maps of Kernow in Kernewek?
I have the Cornwall Tourist Board's Official Tourist Map (scale 1:180,000) which shows some placenames in (smaller) Kernewek under the English versions.
Is there a Kernewek only map?
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11.Nov 2005 - 00:04
There is some justification for this. Lowland Scots and Northumbrian English are linguistically very similar, though the Gaelic-speaking area on the map does seem rather small. David Hackett Fischer in his excellent book Albion's Seed (about the way cultural differences among successive waves of British emigrants to the original 13 American colonies explain current regional variations in American culture) treats Northumbria, lowland Scotland and Ulster as a single cultural region, describing its inhabitants as "British borderers" instead of the more commonly used (but, Fischer argues, inaccurate) label of "Scotch-Irish".
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11.Nov 2005 - 17:43
Indeed, they were one and the same language at one time but diversified like Kernewek and Brezhoneg.
If the map was showing the linguistics of Scotland in 1938 it would not be too far off, probably even too generous to GÃ idhlig, but it claims to represent the ethnography of the country and is totaly false.
I think it must have been trying to spread the "we're all Brittish" propoganda that was fed to Scots schoolchildren during the days of the Empire.
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12.Nov 2005 - 19:39
Hopefully, here's a map from L'Atlas mondial du moyen age. (1998)
Again, international scholars have no need to hide the veracity of Celtic countries. It would appeaer that it's only the English that are having to do so.
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15.Nov 2005 - 21:46
I see the one above is more realistic however - "Barbarian Invasions".
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19.Nov 2005 - 20:13
http://www.anti...cornwall.htm
http://www.rare...g/8893.jpg
And this site has hundreds of old maps but most show Cornwall as a county: http://www.rare...ritish-Isles
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19.Nov 2005 - 21:33
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20.Nov 2005 - 15:13
Sebastian Munster produced maps depicting Cornwall as a distinct region of Britain in 1538, 1540, and 1550.
George Lily produced a map showing Cornubia in 1556.
Girolamo Ruscelli did the same in 1561 portraying Cornubia alongside Anglia, Wallia and Scotia.
Johannes Honter followed this trend in 1561.
Humphrey Lhuyd and Abraham Ortelius produced Angliae Regni Florentissimi Nova Descripto in 1573, this showed Cornwall and Wales as distinct regions of England, however Cornwall was not portrayed as an English county. This map was re used in 1595 at about the same time that Norden produced the map of the Duchy of Cornwall.
From about 1600 things change the Mare Brittanica and the Celtic sea become the English Channel and Bristol/St Georges Channel respectively. At this time Cornwall also seems to become an English county.
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20.Nov 2005 - 17:07
I thought that didn't happen till 1888?
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21.Nov 2005 - 18:35
I would be very interested if anybody could provide info on these maps.
Servius/Fries 1522-1535
Waldseemuller 1513
Sylvanus 1511
Ulm Ptolemy 1482
Rome Ptolemy 1490
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24.Nov 2005 - 13:12
Note also the reference in 'Foreshore Case' by Crown Officers:
The jurisdiction and consequent ownership of the Crown, as Lord of the Sea, has been defined, with respect to the British Channel, to extend midway between England and France, and to the middle of the sea between England and Spain, 3 Leon. 73, 5 Com. Dig. 102.
Cornwall, of course, is NOT in England!
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27.Nov 2005 - 04:54
ST GEORGES CHANNEL!!!!
Unbelievable!
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29.Nov 2005 - 16:50
I have sent messages to the two persons that take messages reminding them that Cornwall is not part of England and to the administrators of TIC.
I am assuming that many of you have done this sort of thing before , but I think we should keep bombarding them with more of the same until we win the day.
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29.Nov 2005 - 17:03
The pen is mightier!
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29.Nov 2005 - 18:21
Probably, but I like most people I have'nt the time . Also I agree that we should get them to post here.
I am still waiting to see if they register me, so I cant post at the moment. I complained first ,then aked to be registered . Should be interesting to see if I'm accecpted....even if it's only to put up one posting ! ! !
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29.Nov 2005 - 18:24
But anyway any progress on these maps?
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29.Nov 2005 - 18:29
Why dont you give a different email address etc .........or have you run out Fulub ?
Keep creating new one's and really piss them off. All of us should do this .......it's worth a try isn't it ?
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29.Nov 2005 - 19:33
What people will do for a free link!
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29.Nov 2005 - 20:20
Not only Cornwall not there [which makes TIC a very nasty joke] but see the form of addresses being used for the various 'Cornish' locations!
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29.Nov 2005 - 21:36
Someone should become a member and tell all the little people with their pointers on the Cornwall map to take a peep over here.
It's amusing that such a big company is trying the plug their Anglo-site on such a smaller entity. Do they really think a gimmicky map will work?
Anyone who knows Cornwall will know where all these places are.
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The latest issue of Cornish World has Angarrack's discussion on Maps which includes a seeable version of the mappa mundi which Lyskerrys was requesting back-along!
When I get my copy. I shall scan it to this thread - unless, hopefully, beaten to it by someone else?
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15.Dec 2005 - 19:54
Servius/Fries 1522-1535
Waldseemuller 1513
Sylvanus 1511
Ulm Ptolemy 1482
Rome Ptolemy 1490
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http://www.libr...l/jpeur2.gif
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genmaps/genfiles/COU_files/ENG/aaEng/lily_britannia_1548.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genmaps/genfiles/COU_files/ENG/aaEng/munster_england_1550.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genmaps/genfiles/COU_files/ENG/aaEng/ruscelli_angla_1561.htm
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genmaps/genfiles/COU_files/ENG/aaEng/ortelius_anglia-epitome_1595.htm
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http://www.eurominority.org/version/eng/maps-states2.asp?id_pays=45
Oll an Gwella !
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http://www.roma...nEngland.gif
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6.Jan 2006 - 16:41
I can read the Greek names, but translation is a bit beyond me. I'll ask the missus when she gets home, she speaks better Greek than I do (we are both of Greek descent).
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6.Jan 2006 - 17:31
Putting Okrinon in Google brings up a number of pages including this one:
Lizard Peninsula
Damnonion to kai Okrinon akron Damnonium sive Ocrinum promontorium var.
Okrion Ocrium (Ptolemy II 3 2) Okrinon akron Ocrinum promontorium (Ptolemy II 3 3) ...
http://www.romanmap.com/htm/names/Lizard%20Peninsula.htm - 2k - Cached - Similar pages
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14.Jan 2006 - 18:43
Apparently the close up clearly shows Cornwall as a distinct nation of Britain.
http://www.capurromrc.it/mappe/!0194girolamo.html
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11.Mar 2006 - 11:19
Divisions of areas based on Ango-Saxon influence. Area 4 covers the territories of Cornwall, Wales, and the south-west corner of Herefordshire, and falls outside the limits of the English territorial settlement. The nomenclature within is almost purely Celtic.
http://www.yorksj.ac.uk/dialect/celtpn.htm
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http://www.cornishfolklore.com/cornwall.htm
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4.Apr 2006 - 21:15
The Celtic Realm - National Geographic - Sights and Sounds
Outsider status has helped Celtic languages and culture endure.
http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/sights_n_sounds/index.html
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6.Apr 2006 - 12:04
The map of foreshore propertie is not at all clear but most seems to be in Kernow and could in fact be all of the Cornish foreshore plus a few spots in Devonshire.
Need to ask for a clearer map!
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Maps of Cornwall now on the BBC h2g2 site!: http://www.bbc....g2/A10686710
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10.Apr 2006 - 22:03
http://www.stau...ewery.co.uk/
There is a map on the site i promise
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20.Apr 2006 - 22:11
http://www.kernowtgg.co.uk/kain.pdf
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20.Apr 2006 - 22:35
Surely one of us back in the Duchy can go?
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21.Apr 2006 - 00:24
And when you have all the maps, and the ancient laws & papers and documents that inspire us all to thinking that we can all initiate change; that invite a future that always lays there just in front of us at all times.. What will we all do in the next moment that brings about a noticable change to our picture of tomorrow?
Kernow.. does it lie there just slightly in front of us all..?
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21.Apr 2006 - 12:17
Indeed it does but personally I am able to look to Cornwall’s future whilst trying to clarify its past at the same time, aren't you?
Restoring Cornwall’s history and supplying it to its people thereby reinforcing our identity, I would say, is a very important part of our future, but I understand if the academic, constitutional and historic side of our Duchy is not your COT, so feel free to invent our future. However please also feel free to restrain from criticizing those who are interested.
If you are going to build the future what will be your foundation?
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28.Apr 2006 - 13:46
Just an update on the Lecture Maps History and Society last evening at Tremough.
As lectures go it was very interesting and well presented. Whilst it only gave the briefest of references to Cornwall, when showing an example of Gascoigne’s mapping of Lanhydrock Estate, it was noticeable that Prof Kain’s study period seemed to be devoted to a 300 year period commencing at the beginning of the 17th C.
Whilst mapping had occurred prior to this period, for reasons not necessarily obvious, it was clear that there was a definite process in the early 17th C of State Control in the management of land ownership and taxation giving rise to, for example, Tithe Maps and Land Enclosure Maps.
The relevance of the period reviewed is that it shows some form of direct correlation with the apparent airbrushing of our Cornish Duchy from the public perception. It does not give a reason why but is a significant change in the ‘official’, State-driven control, reasons for mapping. It is, however, a theme that I shall pursue on the TGG website.
I had the opportunity to ask a question which prof. Kain neatly side-stepped by stating that Cornwall had many “national firsts” in the field of mapping but he did, at least, acknowledge that he had not answered my question.
Within my question I made the point that I was not from the South West of England – I was a Cornishman [a reference to his published Atlas of South West England]! This was well received and I would like to think that it encouraged the Chairman of the Cornish Branch of the Historical Association, in his closing remarks, to thank prof. Kain for making his journey down from England!
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3.May 2006 - 17:13
I've download dozens of maps and will be doing my darndest to get them in front of the teachers and pupils of Kernow at every possible jncture!
Now, a map I would love to see is a 'fish-eye' lens view with Kernow slap bang in the middle.
You know how in the Mappa Mundi things get crucnched up towards the rim? Well, what would it all look like measured out in a logarithmic scale from the middle of kernow.
We are so bombarded with images of Britain floating alone detached. But, if we view the sea as the great Highway then Kernow is the most central and well-connected part of Britain (and certainly was in the past)
Does anyone have the techno-know how to produce such a map?
and while you are at it two other web-sites to visit:
www.sense-of-place.org.uk to give you an idea of what we are trying to achieve in schools
and (if you can face it)
www.cornwallculture.co.uk; sign in, search for the word 'Kernow' and you'll get the images that I have contributed to try and counter their banal, colonial, yuppie, arty-farty images. Then you can have your say too; Please use plenty of Kernewek!
Oll an gwella
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5.May 2006 - 15:16
where are the maps showing the creation of Brittany?
surely the name Kerne (Cornuaille) was imported from Kernow -estimates vary from 4th- 6th century but this is important stuff for the earliest recorded version of Kernow (currently the Ravenna Cosmography Durocornovium C6th)
Well...mappa Breizh marpleg?
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6.May 2006 - 14:31
http://www.map-...bretagne.htm
http://www.skoa...bretagne.htm
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Its not new though.
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What stories to the Bretons tell about the emigration from Britain? How do they explain names like Bro Gerne or Concarneau? Where are their historical maps showing their roots?
The dating and provenance of the Breton names such as Cornuaille could have important implications for the antiquity of 'Kernow/Cornubia' here.
cheers
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If not down load it and get some fantastic views of Cornwall and elsewhere, perhaps even a view of your roof from space!
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Calls for freedom make the jigsaw of Europe more complicated than ever. From the Basques of Spain to Turkey’s Kurds, there are minorities who yearn for a country of their own, and Montenegro’s example has kindled hopes that even tiny enclaves in Europe’s forgotten corners can still become viable states.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland still seek a united Ireland. Scotland is in theory closer to independence that at any time since the Act of Union with England 300 years ago. Separatist movements are active in Wales, the Basque country, Corsica, Sardinia and Italy.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2207534,00.html
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18.Jun 2006 - 13:15
But do you notice how maps which show Cornwall as anything other than a county have been omited?
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18.Jun 2006 - 19:24
These are quite simply the maps which I have, so far, managed to win on ebay; nothing has been deliberately omitted, it's simply a case of limited funds and limited availability. Stick a map showing Cornwall as an independent country on ebay, and, if I win it, it'll end up on the website. Alternatively, send me a large scale scan of one, or more, of similar quality to those featured, and with the written permission of the owner of the map(s) to publish them, and I would be more than happy to feature them. The maps are on there due to the place-names they show, so I have no problems with including any maps of Cornwall whatsoever, so long as they show the place names.
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19.Jun 2006 - 11:03
A website that gives half the truth, even if it is well done as in this case, only reinforces the half truths and the establishment lies about Cornwall, therefore does it deserve to exist, what purpose does it fulfil, how does it help anybody to really understand Cornwall?
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25.Jun 2006 - 13:49
Local GVA
Inner London still highest contributor
Top 5 and Bottom 5 GVA per head of population, indexed to UK=100, 2003
Inner London contributed £113bn to the UK economy (measured as gross value added (GVA)) in 2003 (this is at current basic prices and before taking account of inflation). At £38,800 Inner London also had the highest GVA per head of population, more than double the UK average of £16,100.
Highlands and Islands had the smallest share of GVA at £4bn. Cornwall & Isles of Scilly (£10,400) West Wales & the Valleys (£10,600) and the Highlands & Islands (£11,400) had the lowest GVA per head of population in 2003.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=582&Pos=2&ColRank=2&Rank=176
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22.Jul 2006 - 22:06
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Hereford_Mappa_Mundi_detail_Britain.jpg
click on the map to enlarge
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I see on the news today that, following a referendum, the little nation of Montenegro has split amicably from Serbia. That's interesting.
Graham.
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There was nothing special about Lindsey and Northumbria at this time; they were firmly integral parts of England. This makes deductions about red-named Cornwall difficult.
This leads me to a general observation about some of the maps put here. The naming of parts seems eccentric and with no discernible principle. Which part gets named on the map seems arbitrary - as Snowdon.
On the 1595 map of Orbelius both Cornwall and Kent are marked.
It really is not possible to say that because an area is named on a map it means that at that time the area was separate from England.
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Graham.
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25.Jul 2006 - 10:39
My own view on the present status of Cornwall is that in 2006 it is a county of England.
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25.Jul 2006 - 11:07
I take on board what our more Nationalist friends say though, about the various legal decisions in the past, some quite recent, that bow to Cornwall having a different status as a Duchy, and various historical factors that many counties do not.
Despite the bitching and slanging that happens on here, I find it generally informative and thought provoking.
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25.Jul 2006 - 13:27
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5211592.stm
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25.Jul 2006 - 14:27
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25.Jul 2006 - 17:40
You will also note that Cornubia or some other form is on all the maps when kent and snowdon etc are not.
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25.Jul 2006 - 19:25
Graham.
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12.Aug 2006 - 13:36
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/British_isles_802.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maps_of_Cornwall
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12.Aug 2006 - 15:09
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29.Sep 2006 - 17:57
Wessex: http://www.engl...wessexlg.jpg
Counties pre Heath: http://www.engl...untieslg.jpg
Funny the Isle of Man and the Duchy of Cornwall are included.
edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Mar 08, 2007 - 04:44 PM
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30.Sep 2006 - 03:57
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30.Sep 2006 - 05:50
Perhaps they thought that none of us 'simple folk' with our 'traditional ways' would notice......? Or perhaps they thought that they'd starved our economy so badly, and brought us to our economic kness in such a way that we wouldn't care? Beggin' yer pardon kind sir, but as us 'simple folk' know only too well, there's 20,000 that know the reason why...............!
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30.Sep 2006 - 05:55
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30.Sep 2006 - 09:25
But funnily enough it was the Duke that Cornish forces swore allegiance to. Caxton produced a state sponsored map of Cornwall as a 'County' in the late 1500s and Carew described Cornwall as a County in early 1600s before that Cornwall clearly has much higher status amongst the followers of the monarch. Cornish language speakers (judging from the plays) saw it very differently. With the decline of the language and influence of Stannary institutions, Cornwall became more 'county'-ised in the view of our centralised country. Read the 'West Britons' by Mark Stoyle to get a good idea of Cornish identity and views at this time.
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29.Jan 2007 - 17:45
Seems to be alot of "Cornish" foreshore owned by the Duke!
edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Mar 08, 2007 - 04:45 PM
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13.Feb 2007 - 21:57
Anyway this site has stacks of old maps:http://freepage...s/index.html
Here is one my Ortelius in 1667 called 'Ingliterra' that includes Cornwall and Wales. Both Wales and Cornwall contain 'Wallis"http://freepage...rra_1667.htm
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16.Feb 2007 - 12:12
Worth a look.
edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Feb 16, 2007 - 01:13 PM
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2.Mar 2007 - 20:17
Devonshire seems to have fallen of the map, but it dosen't suprise me, even today continental map makers often mark the peninsula with Cornwall.
edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Mar 02, 2007 - 09:26 PM
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2.Mar 2007 - 21:05
Graham, I think that you will find that the meaning of the word County was different then. It seems the meaning of the word County has changed over the Centuries. So Mate I do not think that this posting really has a relevance to the actual situation.
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2.Mar 2007 - 21:09
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2.Mar 2007 - 21:14
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3.Mar 2007 - 03:31