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5.Apr 2008 - 12:39
I had a search through Rev. R Williams Dictionary. After aquick unsuccesful scan through for varied, I tried vary... And i hit this verb.
Legria - To read, to vary, and to change... He gives pryce as the authority.
Is this a verb thats slipped the net??? I cant find it in anyone elses dictionary.
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5.Apr 2008 - 13:02
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5.Apr 2008 - 13:18
I cant find Legria in anyone elses dictionary, not to change or vary.
Does anyone know of the source of this verb? Williams gives his source as Pryce, does anyone have copies of Pryces' work?
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5.Apr 2008 - 15:13
Legria v. to change, alter, develop, corrupt, deprave, deviate; ppp. legrias, legres/legries.
He gives, as the source [EL] (Edward Lhuyd).
He also has: legrias m. change, development, innovation [EL legriaz]
Legria also appears in his 1992 source dictionary, under "corrupt". Again the source is Lhuyd.
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5.Apr 2008 - 15:44
Do you then think that an adjective could be formed for varied, from this verb. Perhaps using the past participle... I'm assuming Legriys?
Further variance could be Legrians
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5.Apr 2008 - 19:22
legry, vb.
to corrupt, decompose : legria (Lhuyd), from Welsh 'llygru', cf. Breton 'linkra' to go stale
Neil Kennedy's RLC 'Gerlevran' gives:
change: trailia, chawnjya, defalebi, legria
. . . while Nance 1955 gives:
change: varya, chanjya, trelya, remuvya; dyheveleby, dyfeleby
The Welsh 'Geiriadur Mawr' gives the following meanings for W. llygru (and its derivatives): corrupt, infect, contaminate, commit adultery
All in all, it sounds as if the 'legr' root is a little too loaded for a simple meaning of 'changed'.
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6.Apr 2008 - 12:31
I have another verb I've found...
Gorthrodhy ~ To appoint / to substitute. Anyone know more about this one?
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6.Apr 2008 - 14:08
Both Nance 1955 and Williams 2006 give gorthry, vb. to substitute, , while the latter gives 'gorthro' as the noun, presumably from: gorth- + -ry: against, contra- + to give
Interestingly, Kennedy's 'Gerlevran' gives the RLC form 'gorthrodhi', which he appears to attribute to Lhuyd. But for 'give' he lists 'rei', not *rodhi.
K. 'ro' appears to be cognate with Welsh 'rhoi', which also takes the form 'rhoddi'. However, W. seems to lack such a word as *gwrthroi or *gwrthroddi.
So, in summary, it looks like we have MC 'gorthry' and LC 'gorthrodhi' for 'substitute', with a hint that *rodhi may once have existed as a doublet with 'ry' in Cornish (as it still does in Welsh).
However, for 'appoint' I couldn't find any connection with this word, and only turned up UC/R appoynya, ordena; darbary, tacla; dyghtya, and RLC apoyntia, poyntia; orna (for the various meanings of the English word).
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6.Apr 2008 - 14:38
I too thought it was a bit of stretch to get to appoint.
Does this mean that Gorthrodhyans / Gorthryans would do for substitution
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