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23.Apr 2008 - 15:55
Police in North Cornwall are seeking witnesses following the theft of a flag from Bude Meteorological Station in Ergue Gaberaic Way in the town between 9.00 and 10.00 a.m. on Wednesday 23 April 2008.
The English flag, The Cross of St George, was flown to mark St Georges Day but stolen within the hour. It is values at around £20.
The suspect who removed the flag was wearing a red waterproof jacket with blue collar and cuffs.
Anyone who has any information regarding the theft is asked to call Crimestoppers on 0800 555111 quoting crime reference BU/08/273.
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23.Apr 2008 - 16:11
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THERE SHOULDNT BE IN KERNOW EITHER
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23.Apr 2008 - 16:35
The Duke of Leeds in Leedstown?
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23.Apr 2008 - 22:10
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23.Apr 2008 - 22:11
mine is pretty big and cost five pound
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23.Apr 2008 - 23:07
How come?
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23.Apr 2008 - 23:12
It is totally pathetic that this is seen as a worthy news item, why are they making such a big deal out of it I wonder not.
I didn't see many G flags today 1 on the church at Breage and one in Mullion village.
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24.Apr 2008 - 11:47
http://www.bbc....ges_day.html
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24.Apr 2008 - 14:43
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24.Apr 2008 - 16:25
yes it is illegal in some parts. i just didn't care it was St Georges day.
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I had eggs thrown at my flag most probably because it's an English flag.
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24.Apr 2008 - 16:42
Where is it illegal to fly the CStG flag in England?
Who would throw eggs at your flag in England?
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24.Apr 2008 - 17:52
Everywhere but Cornwall
The Cornish
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24.Apr 2008 - 19:44
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24.Apr 2008 - 22:24
This incurs costly replacement charges and a loss of observations until new sensors are installed.
Maybe the BBC should report what's important and not what isn't (e.g. petty theft of a flag).
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24.Apr 2008 - 22:46
i don't really know, but iv'e heard various storys on the bbc and from people who have been told to remove their flags, and it has been banned in some places (Bradford, Leicester).
As to why someone threw eggs at my flag, you tell me. I won't mention i live in an area where there are many foreign people
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25.Apr 2008 - 09:00
And someone has more money than sense. Eggs are bloody expensive these days.
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25.Apr 2008 - 14:42
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25.Apr 2008 - 17:49
Have you ever seen one of those 'alternate history' films, where Hitler's 3rd Reich successfully invaded Britain in the 1940s? You see Waffen SS and Wehrmacht goosestepping up Whitehall (or Sauchiehall Street), and Big Ben draped with black-white-and-red swastika banners, while the bands play the iconic Deutschland Über Alles and the Horst Wessel Lied. Doesn't that put a wee shiver of revulsion up your backbone?
Lots of the conquered Brits in such films (and even in the audience!) feel a strong antipathy towards the invaders, their language, flags, music and so on, don't they? And one might imagine such antipathy enduring, and even strengthening into mythical status, over ensuing generations in this fictional world.
Well, for a fictional Britain versus Nazi Germany try substituting an historical (Celtic) Britain vs. Anglo-Saxon Germany. Add in century after century of exploitation, suppression and conquest (be they perceived or real). That might give you some idea why St. George's flag gets a less-than-enthusiastic reception in the Celtic parts of the British Isles, even after so many centuries.
It might also give you an insight as to why Scotland, Wales, Man, Ireland and Cornwall have kept up the struggle over the centuries towards getting an increased measure of constitutional self determination, or even independence. And all of them bar Cornwall --I may need correcting here-- have succeeded to varying degrees.
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Why not offer the local-government pissants a slot on your podcast to explain themselves?
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25.Apr 2008 - 18:51
That's Bude Town Council for you...
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25.Apr 2008 - 19:46
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25.Apr 2008 - 20:52
An official apology from an Englishman.
I am sorry my ancestors invaded you and treated you badly and your country is in the state it is today. I am sorry for the bitterness people give you and...im gonna be here all day. I apologize on behalf of England. There you go.
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25.Apr 2008 - 21:40
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25.Apr 2008 - 22:11
KarlT, this comment here and others, from the same thread might also provide some answers to your questions.
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STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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25.Apr 2008 - 22:15
you already have it, just not officially. If its in your heart and mind, then its yours already.
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25.Apr 2008 - 23:50
Just for interest's sake, I have found the flag of le Mont St Michel, Breiz's equivalent of our St Michael's Mount (to which many came on pilgrimage from all over Britain). There is a certain similarity to the Cornish besants in those shells, and also to the black of the St Piran's flag. I believe the fleur de lys, being lilies, have a connection with Mary the Mother of Christ. There was once a lady chapel on St Michael's Mount which is now the 'Blue Room'. Perhaps we have over-secularised flags!
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26.Apr 2008 - 14:10
Error doesn't come into it. Organised religion has ALWAYS had a symbiotic relationship with politics (and, indeed, religion is in itself a form of politics in that its promoters use it as a means of acquiring power over peoples lives), so symbols such as flags or indeed patron saints are used by different actors in different ways. However the aim of all such actors - seeking to unite the target population behind a particular agenda - is essentially political.
As I understand it, the essential requirement of patron saints of nations is popular acclaim. Lacking such, one bunch of politicians or another (priests or the other sort) may try to promote a candidate in the hope of creating polular support (bit like a 'paper candidate' in an election).
If I am correct, Piran is yer only man. Not only that, but is there or has there ever been any evidence of popular acclaim throughout Cornwall (as opposed to, say, in Marazion) for St Michael?
Incidentally, whether or not Rome put its seal of approval on a saint by canonisation meant little or nothing to the Celtic Church.
The Church promoted the idea that evil and ignorance were synonymous with Paganism (and still does). A nice bonfire to warm your feet was the Church's means of coercion in the Middle Ages, used against anyone they took a dislike to (including Jeanne D'Arc - now that WAS an unholy (!) alliance of politics and religion!)
Slagging off other people's religions is not merely not PC today, but is a criminal breach of Human Rights legislation. Is there no litigious Pagan out there who is ready to take this up the next time the 'we're right and you're wrong, we're better than you are' organised religion lobby get uppity?
(Not that I'm a Pagan myself, but anyone having a pop at powermongers has my support)
Exactly. I don't know what evil the religious minority want done away with by St Piran when they march over Gear Sands, but the lay majority want an end to the non-recognition of the Cornish people and the domination of the same by a foreign regime.
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27.Apr 2008 - 14:20
Now you, Pawl, say:
Certainly, I am no expert on historical fact but I have read enough to convince me that St Michael the Archangel has a special significance for Cornwall. See Page 102 of Catherine Rachel John's 'The Saints of Cornwall'
and http://saints.sqpn.com/saintm06.htm
http://hem.passagen.se/mikang/eng/html/pilgeng.htm
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/michaelmas.html
http://www.geocities.com/stmichaelsangels/
http://www.britannia.com/history/legend/cornish/cornss02.html and many other websites that refer to St Michael and Cornwall.
He is also patron of Helston while Piran is more properly regarded as the Patron of Tinners, I understand. Of course, St Petroc is Cornwall's third possible saint and more is known of his actual life.
I don't have an axe to grind over this except that I wanted to make an observation in my last posting. Personally, I thank God for the hope Christianity gives me rather than the horror that the past or present has offered us in the name of more than one religion. What is certain is that too much is talked about religion and not enough acted upon it, and all I know is that life and the future look bleak without it.
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27.Apr 2008 - 14:57
As you say, Nothlenn, St Michael is the Patron Saint of Helston.
The legend of St Michael includes the slaying of the dragon, and the connection is made here to the origins of the Furry Dance and the story of how a dragon flew over Helston and when he didn't attack, the people came out to celebrate.
May 8th is the day when the entire Latin Church celebrates the 'Apparition of St Michael' - the belief is that he appeared on May 8th 494 in Italy.
Marhak said recently that the red cross on a white background was originally that of St Michael - an Archangel and therefore a much more important Saint than St George.
It is not, unfortunately, the flag of St Michael that is flown from Helston church on Flora Day.
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27.Apr 2008 - 20:14
I'm so pleased you say what you've said here, Kernow. I couldn't agree more. That verse in the Hal an Tow about St George - and acted out on the day - must surely be the result of a confusion of dragons and their slayers! When a small boy, I was surprised to learn that a statue in our parish church was St Michael the Archangel - Cornwall's Protector - slaying a dragon, and not St George! But St Michael is said also to have appeared to fishermen out in Mount's Bay in 495 a.d. for which reason St Michael's Mount has long been a place of pilgrimage; there is a 'Pilgrim's Cross' on the island.
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27.Apr 2008 - 20:25
Towns need to take more care of historical tradition.
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28.Apr 2008 - 00:33
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29.Apr 2008 - 12:37
St George was of middle-eastern origin
England's original parton saint was Edward the Confessor
England adopted the Cross of St George as its national flag as it was at the time, the civic flag of Genoa Italy, and therefore gave English vessels a flag of convenience when trading with the City State of Genoa
On St George's Day this year, English Heritage bemoaned the fact that more people celebrated Bon Fire Night than St George's Day - it is hardly surprising given that the English state so forcefully suppressed the veneration of Saints (killing thousands of Cornish in the process) and so vehemently encourage anti-catholic sectarianism (commemorating the burning of Guy Fawkes) - what the hell do they expect from a country with such deeply ingrained anti-Catholic heritage?
I for one, a proud Cornishman, see no problem commemorating St George or any other saint for that matter - today I am celebrating the Feast of Daniel!
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29.Apr 2008 - 23:26
Sennen obviously owes its name to this Celtic saint.
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30.Apr 2008 - 12:17
If it wasn't for wealthy incomers Cornwall would be a cesspit. I'm English and proud! Ole ole ele England, ave it, oh yes! Football is an English sport that you all support.
There's more English in Cornwall than Cornish FACT. Stop your whinging.
The English are the best who founded an empire so put that in your pipe and smoke it. What language are you speaking now. What language are you reading now, boy.
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30.Apr 2008 - 15:39
As for flying saints flags. I have no problem with Cornish people flying their flag in England what one does on ones own personal property is up to them. I have no problem with Welsh people or Scots or Irish doing the same.
I agree with the comment on official buildings should fly THEIR countries flag, however in the UK if proper recognition was given to all the countries I'd have no problem if another British countries national flag was flown on their saints day as an act of friendship.
As a side note with regards to English saints, England has three official saints, Edward the Confessor, Saint Edmund and St George.
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30.Apr 2008 - 15:52
If that's what you want!
Please could we have some evidence for this "enlightening" fact?
In the context of your post, all I can say is.......You can't help sickness.
No it's not, I never have, and I never will.
From the way you have worded that, it would seem that you are one of the hooligan's that gave your favorite "sport" such a bad name.
Again, where is your evidence for this "enlightening" "fact"
So did a lot of other bullies.
The same language as the Americans, the Australians, the New Zealanders, the Canadians, etc.
Just goes to show how lazy the English are, making others speak their language because they are too bone idle to learn theirs.
Anyway, have a nice life in fantasy land.
EngliscFyrd, well said.
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30.Apr 2008 - 21:33
edited by: Kéighlán, Apr 30, 2008 - 09:34 PM
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1.May 2008 - 09:12
Correct me if I'm wrong. But wasn't St. Alban a British Celt? I seem to remember St Alban's martyrdom taking place during the persecution of Christians under Emperor Septimus Severus in 209. And aren't the Anglo-Saxons thought to have arrived in Britain in the 5th century?
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1.May 2008 - 13:16
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1.May 2008 - 14:23
The "English" people of today may in fact be largely descended from British Celts. But do you think, then, that it is justifiable to backdate English history to include everything that happened before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons?
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1.May 2008 - 15:46
Rather depends on how you define "English". If you mean "the history of the English people of today" then yes, the Celtic and Romano-British periods are part of that history. But if you're using the term more restrictively, to mean the elements brought in by the Anglo-Saxons, then of course not. So for most purposes no, but it does mean that English people, as heirs of a culture which derives from the Romano-British culture of St Alban as well as the Anglo-Saxon culture of the invaders, can claim to have a stake, as it were, in St Alban.
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1.May 2008 - 23:27
You have to keep it simply for the simple people.
So there's Duchy originals still in Cornwall and a right mish mash up-country.
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1.May 2008 - 23:47
I have another theory (again unproven, so I merely offer it up)about the so far unanswered question of why south-western (Dumnonian) Britons colonised both Brittany and Galicia in the mid 5th century. There seems to have ben no real internal pressure that would force our people to move. Anglo-Saxon immigration had only just begun and that was 300 miles away, so wouldn't have affected Dumnonia in the slightest.
For this theory we go back to pre-Roman prehstory when we were an integral part of the Atlantic sea trading that had been operative since at least the early Neolithic (roughly when Celtic languages developed from Indo-European in those same areas, from Spain to Scotland, as a lingua franca of the trading nations, according to Cunliffe, Renfrew and others). It continued uninterrupted for 4500 years, until ended by one Gaius Julius Caesar in 56 BC. From then on, it was the Roman Empire that ran all import/export trade to and from Britain even before the Claudian invasion of 43 AD. That came to a close after the Roman withdrawal in 410 AD.
My theory is that Dumnonian entrepreneurs deliberately set up colonies in Galicia and Brittany as the two most strategic points on that old sea trading route, in order to restart and run it. We know from finds at Tintagel and other places that the old trading sea lanes were back in full swing by 450-500 AD and, if my theory is right, WE were in charge of them.
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2.May 2008 - 09:40
Perhaps it's a matter of definition. A dialect of Indo-European was introduced to the Atlantic coasts; at what point we call it "Celtic" is arbitrary. Most linguists, though, as I understand it, call it at least Proto-Celtic from an earlier stage when it first differentiated from proto Indo-European, probably in Eastern Europe.
I think the biggest problem I have with your Dumnonian entrepreneur theory is that I'm not sure that there was a strong enough communication, generation on generation, of history through the Roman period for the Dumnonians of the fifth century to actually know about the sea trading practices of half a millenium earlier. It's not exactly "Hey, cool, the Romans are gone, we can pick up where we left off", is it? That the post-Roman trading routes were the same might mean no more than that they were natural routes to use.
*There were apparently two Pictish languages - a Celtic one and a non Indo-European one. I'm talking about the latter.
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2.May 2008 - 09:46
Nowhere. It's the Daily Mail version of reality, which bears little resemblance to the actual one.
The same sort of people who throw eggs at anything.
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2.May 2008 - 14:29
The Romans were our first illegal immigrants, followed by the English, then the Danes, then the Normans.
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2.May 2008 - 15:47
Can you point to where I might find more on this "general consensus"? Under this new consensus, how did Indo-European get from its place of origin to the Atlantic coasts, there to develop into Celtic?
I wouldn't expect the Atlantic Celts to have a genetic link to the Continental ones under the old model; I would expect languages to move more than people, as different circumstances create different prestige languages.
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