Topic:	The Cornish are Celtic !
nige999 Posts: 301 Posted: 30.May 2008 - 21:07	According to Brittany Ferries anyway. Its a start........ http://www.brit...tic-festival Proud to be Cornish !
Kéighlán Posts: 440 Posted: 30.May 2008 - 21:30	The Cornish are Celtic ya don't say walk with Jesus! just look out for speedboats.
nige999 Posts: 301 Posted: 31.May 2008 - 08:18	QuoteThe Cornish are Celtic ya don't say I am being sarcastic............... Proud to be Cornish !
Kéighlán Posts: 440 Posted: 31.May 2008 - 19:40	I know lol. I was just joking around. walk with Jesus! just look out for speedboats.
Sir-Francis-Basset Posts: 74 Posted: 1.Jun 2008 - 15:49	I was curious to discover an article dated October 12th 2003 called "Genetics make Welsh distinct", (link below) which claims the Cornish are not related to the Welsh and further claims the Cornish are in fact Anglo Saxon. Any ideas on this one? We have used Oxford Ancestry for DNA analysis which put my family firmly in the Celtic catergory, so I am interested in these claims and wonder if anyone on this board has done any research into this independently? http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2003/10/genetics_make_w_1.html Apologies if the link doesn't work, it may have to be cut and pasted. Politics is a science. You can demonstrate that you are right and that others are wrong. Jean-Paul Sartre
ThingsThatGoFlirInTheShla Posts: 604 Posted: 1.Jun 2008 - 16:18	Sir-Francis-BassetI was curious to discover an article dated October 12th 2003 called "Genetics make Welsh distinct", (link below) which claims the Cornish are not related to the Welsh and further claims the Cornish are in fact Anglo Saxon. Any ideas on this one? We have used Oxford Ancestry for DNA analysis which put my family firmly in the Celtic catergory, so I am interested in these claims and wonder if anyone on this board has done any research into this independently? there have been many DNA studies, which each conflict and contradict one another. You can never be sure unless you test everyone in the region youre researching. Even then it won't be relevant. Immigration is no new phenomenon, throughout the ages people have come and left and bred with each other and there is such a mix in DNA, especialy in Britain, that we can never base nationality on DNA. It's invalid and inaccurate. Sir-Francis-Basset http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2003/10/genetics_make_w_1.html Apologies if the link doesn't work, it may have to be cut and pasted. to make alink active do the following but substitute the brackets for square brackets. (URL=http://www.youraddress.com) everything written in this space will be a link (/URL) ---------- Kilgi yw ev Withnail, arbenniger a-tarow nyns yw ev! aaaa!
Mike Posts: 2744 Posted: 1.Jun 2008 - 17:25	Here are another two publications. Cornwall/Kernow is mentioned in both: http://www.angl...rg.uk/Genes/ http://www.pros....php?id=7817
Coady Posts: 2107 Posted: 5.Jun 2008 - 16:41	Perhaps a better title might be.... "How Celtic is Cornwall today?" We live in interesting times.
Kéighlán Posts: 440 Posted: 5.Jun 2008 - 19:27	The Cornish aren't Celtic, they are North Korean. walk with Jesus! just look out for speedboats.
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 5.Jun 2008 - 19:32	QuoteHow Celtic is Cornwall today? No coady, how celtic do we want it to be? The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 5.Jun 2008 - 19:32	...and certainly how Cornish do we want it to be in years to come? The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
TheElvenLord Posts: 969 Posted: 5.Jun 2008 - 19:35	Not Celtic - Indian (Celts came from india so they say) TEL Everything is impossible until it is not.
Coady Posts: 2107 Posted: 7.Jun 2008 - 11:58	FLB... I don't actually FEEL very "Celtic" at all....depends on how anyone personally defines it I suppose, as it seems to mean different things to different people. I like it when Cornwall or Cornish people do well at anything, and am annoyed when anyone insults or attacks Cornwall. I'm uneasy with the label 'Celtic' when applied to things...scientists, historians and archaeologists deem to disagree on what "Celtic" means. I wonder if it actually has much relevance to Cornwall today. We live in interesting times.
Coady Posts: 2107 Posted: 7.Jun 2008 - 12:02	.. I DO own a 'hunting tartan' tie....but am under no illusions as to any authenticity for the tartan. GC. We live in interesting times.
TeamKernow Posts: 2318 Posted: 7.Jun 2008 - 12:03
Coady Posts: 2107 Posted: 7.Jun 2008 - 12:33	Yes, Thats OK, I'm comfortable with that... CORNISH HERITAGE.. ...Though, to be ever so pedantic, the Piran's flag as a symbol might not be IDEAL, having echoes of associations with sainthood, early church and pre Roman Catholic Christianity, BUT it's widely accepted and endorsed, I have it as my avatar, and stuck on my personal transport. It's probably a symbol with better connections to Cornwall than the cross of ST. George has with England, after all. GC. We live in interesting times.
TheElvenLord Posts: 969 Posted: 7.Jun 2008 - 13:16	I made a Cornish heritage thing last night, I was bored. I'll post it here when I can. TEL Everything is impossible until it is not.
marhak Posts: 4470 Posted: 6.Jul 2008 - 14:32	Ah, for Christ's sake, Keighlan - we wanted to keep that quiet - we are busy developing a nuclear bomb.
DTresaw Posts: 34 Posted: 15.Jul 2008 - 13:51	If you want the definitive (imho) read Philip Payton's Cornish History book for the Celtic heritage of Cornwall. But lets face it, today there is little most people can connect with, the population has changed with migration to and from the area that most people have few ties with the original celtic people.
FreakoMbiko Posts: 694 Posted: 15.Jul 2008 - 14:23	DTresawBut lets face it, today there is little most people can connect with, the population has changed with migration to and from the area that most people have few ties with the original celtic people. Yes, and lets not forget that as a Maritime nation for millenia, Cornwall is going to have loads of cultural and genetic influx. And as for "Celtic Culture" what is that other than language, at least today? There is no God. There is No Soul. There is no Heaven. This is our only life; it is rare and special and precious. Nothing is important; except the happiness of me and the happiness of all others.
Egloshal Posts: 576 Posted: 15.Jul 2008 - 15:47	What makes Cornwall Celtic? * 90% plus of place names being Celtic names. * Continuing (even if minority) usage of the Celtic language. I agree that few people these days are in touch with the language, but the number is growing. However, being surrounded by hundreds of Celtic placenames everywhere you go gives you the 'presence' of a Celtic land. I love seeing places like: Cathbedron Lane, Pengilly Wartha, Gwel an Mor, Gweal Pawl, Cargreen, Brown Gelly. Radyo an Gernewegva
marhak Posts: 4470 Posted: 15.Jul 2008 - 15:52	Language is the major part of it, not to mention genetics. Both link us firmly with the Atlantic coasts of Europe over the last 6,000 years (where Celtic first developed from Indo-European). Then there's our feasts and festivals, centuries old. There's our very un-English way of looking at life and the world about us. Freako, you need to read Hamilton-Jenkin's "Cornwall and its People" (1945) from cover to cover if you really want to know what Cornish culture is. It's a 500-page book so you'll see from that alone that Cornish culture is hardly a small subject. (To be fair to Freako, this latest unelected shower - with not a single Cornish person involved, of course - trying to write out Cornish culture or submerge it under a Culture South-West title obviously haven't read the book, either). Maybe we need to start a thread about how best to take on and defeat this Culture South-West shower. edited by: marhak, Jul 15, 2008 - 02:54 PM

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