Topic: Email to Mark Prisk MP, Shadow Minister for Cornwall
DenAnkoth
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14.Jun 2008 - 23:03

Dear Mr Prisk,

I am a former resident of Cornwall, now living in XXX. I have some concerns about the way Cornwall is handled at a governmental level; and I thought that you, as Shadow Minister for Cornwall, might be the person to guide me in the right direction. Could you advise me to whom I should address each of the following concerns?

i) The continued use of the term County of Cornwall instead of Duchy of Cornwall at both Westminster and Council levels, completely disregarding the legally founded recommendations of The Kilbrandon Report of 1971.

ii) The rejection of a Cornish tick box under the general British category in the planned 2011 census form, thus forcing Cornish people to reject either their Britishness or their Cornishness.

iii) The continued silence on the subject of any form of devolvement for Cornwall, despite all five of Cornwall's Members of Parliament being in favour of a devolved regional Cornish Assembly, and 500,546 signatories petitioning a request for such a development.

iv) The more recent move by the Department for Transport to standardise all English bus passes for people over sixty, complete with St George's Cross and English Rose symbolism, and insensitively including Cornwall in the scheme, with the words "Cornwall COUNTYWIDE" only adding insult to injury.

If you could put me in the right direction in order to best address these concerns, I would be extremely grateful.

I have been browsing your official website, and am finding it difficult to locate any reference to your activities as Shadow Minister for Cornwall. I'm pretty certain I must be looking in the wrong place. Could you set me straight?

Thank you.

Yours sincerely,

XXX XXX

P.S. I will be publishing a copy of this email on the popular Cornwall24 website. XX


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DenAnkoth
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15.Jul 2008 - 15:27

Thank you for your email. My apologies for not responding earlier. My website is a constituency website and I am not permitted to post non-constituency material there. However do feel free to go to www.cornwallconservatives.com

Administratively Cornwall has been treated as a County and you are right that this fails to recognise that Cornwall and the Cornish sense of identity are unique. Both you and I may be émigrés, but we both still feel a sense of Cornish identity.

My main concern is that all recent reorganisations have dragged decision making east of the Tamar. The Regional Assemblies are a good example of this and it's why my Party intends to scrap them.

It is also why the Conservatives intend to end the regional planning diktat and return to the Cornish people - and their representatives - the power to decide what is built in their communities and where it is built. We are also looking at what other powers can be returned, for example in the field of local economic development. In that sense we are more considered with handing back specific powers than the wider debate about an Assembly versus the new unitary council.

The plans for that unitary have been poorly prepared and pushed through without a popular mandate, by the Labour and LibDem parties. However it is now going to happen and it's important that we try and make the best of the situation.

Yours sincerely

Mark Prisk MP

(Hertford & Stortford)

Shadow Minister, Enterprise , Deregulation & Competition and Shadow Minister for Cornwall




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DenAnkoth
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15.Jul 2008 - 15:29

Dear Mr Prisk,

Thank you very much for your reply. I think some Cornish people may in fact be looking forward to the new unitary council, providing it emphasises the duchy status of Cornwall . I agree that the economic and democratic powers of local communities are more important than any cultural demands of the larger unit. Nevertheless, I wish to pursue the more cultural issues with the appropriate people. Are you able to advise me as to how I might achieve this, particularly with regard to each of the four points raised in my first email to yourself?

Would you also permit me to publish your latest email to me on the Cornwall24 site?




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DenAnkoth
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15.Jul 2008 - 15:32

Thank you for your further email.

I am quite happy for you to publish my previous email.

Yours sincerely

Mark Prisk MP

(Hertford & Stortford)

Shadow Minister, Enterprise , Deregulation & Competition and Shadow Minister for Cornwall



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Posted:
15.Jul 2008 - 15:40

It might be worth pointing out to Mr Prisk, and the arrogant ones at the BBC (who, on receiving complaint about their media continually referring to Cornwall as "county" and not Duchy, responded with words omn the lines of "Cornwall is an English county, so lump it") that the true title of the Kilbrandon Report was: The Royal Commission on the Constitution". So, the BBC feels that it is powerful enough to ignore the findings of a Royal Commission? Dangerous.



edited by: marhak, Jul 15, 2008 - 02:40 PM
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15.Jul 2008 - 15:48

Thanks for the information. The BBC is too big. And, like the government regions, the broadcasting regions have very little relevance to those not living within a limited radius of the transmission site. If that makes any sense!

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16.Jul 2008 - 18:43

With all Mark Prisk support for Cornish localism its a wonder he and Direct Democracy don't have more to do with each other: http://www.dire...cracy.co.uk/

You'd have thought that considering Cornwall various campaigns to keep things local over the years DD would have shown more of an interest in us.

I wonder why they haven't? Probably worth asking.

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16.Jul 2008 - 20:33

So we've been ignored forever and a day and now the Tories are going to give it back. Pure bullshit ! These people will say ANYTHING to get your vote .

Red yellow or blue. It's just a shuffling around of the shite. They are all Corporate Puppets to a man.

As Hunlef says on another thread :
Quotethere is no liklihood whatsoever either of obtaining EU regional status for Cornwall or the Cornish receiving FCPNM recognition whilst a territorial claim remains outstanding and while a significant proportion of activists ignore it. Period.

The Cornish are the only minority in Europe to be subject to direct influence of feudal, discriminatory legislation that protects the interests of one man. Until this problem is addressed in the courts, I am afraid that you stand more chance of getting a bucket of manure out of a rocking horse.




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16.Jul 2008 - 21:59

I agree with the goal, not the attitude. There is a great deal more awareness now, and the people who are going to be the most instrumental in bringing about a positive change are those working politely and steadily with the appropriate people.


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16.Jul 2008 - 22:14

The Tory's idea of scrapping 'regional assemblies' takes the decision making directly back to Westminster, which in my mind is worse. Of all 3 main parties the Tories are the most centralist and anti-devolution. Cornwall suffered pretty badly under the Tories in the past.
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16.Jul 2008 - 22:30

Attitde comes with immense frustration DenAnkoth.

When the oppressors show a bit of willing, attitudes will soften, and I agree on manners during debate, but not on general overhaul bullshit that these people pump out.

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16.Jul 2008 - 22:41

The tories are going to scrap the regional assemblies? Haven't the government already announced they are to be scrapped? (With their powers being given to the RDAs, Frying pan and fire springs to mind!)
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16.Jul 2008 - 22:42

Quotebut not on general overhaul bullshit that these people pump out.


Quite right. They reap what they sow icon_wink
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21.Jul 2008 - 09:37

As the 'Shadow Minister for Cornwall' what have Mr Prisk and the Tories actually done or called for? At the moment this title looks like the kind of meaningless honours and medals that third world dictators award themselves.
If they really want to oust the Lib dems (no bad thing) then they need to try a bit harder.

Quote....I recognise the validity of much of the [Cowethas Flamank] Report's case and feel that, on balance, Crown Dependency status [for Cornwall] is the most realistic goal.


Former Conservative MP for Falmouth and Camborne David Mudd



edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Jul 21, 2008 - 10:38 AM

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Posted:
21.Jul 2008 - 11:49

why did they vote tory then when mrs t was in power icon_confused
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Posted:
21.Jul 2008 - 14:54

she sunk the Belgrano, more power to her,

Atleast the Tories have the sense to dance, which is more than you'd get from labour, and unlike the libdems the tories might get into power, and once they have power there is a chance that they could do something, especially if cornwall returns a few marginal tory MPs that they'd like to hold on too.

At the moment the best bet looks like independent/tory pact in One Cornwall in 2009 (fingers crossed that Whalley stays in charge talk sh1te 'til next year) and the Tories in westminster in 2010. In might be a bitter pill for the lefties and backwoodsmen here, but this is the best chance that cornwall has to get any recognition without external intervention or violence.





edited by: IrishJack, Jul 21, 2008 - 02:58 PM

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But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions and backbiting

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21.Jul 2008 - 15:42

IrishJackshe sunk the Belgrano, more power to her,

Atleast the Tories have the sense to dance, which is more than you'd get from labour, and unlike the libdems the tories might get into power, and once they have power there is a chance that they could do something, especially if cornwall returns a few marginal tory MPs that they'd like to hold on too.

At the moment the best bet looks like independent/tory pact in One Cornwall in 2009 (fingers crossed that Whalley stays in charge talk sh1te 'til next year) and the Tories in westminster in 2010. In might be a bitter pill for the lefties and backwoodsmen here, but this is the best chance that cornwall has to get any recognition without external intervention or violence.



With the Tory record regarding "the Celtic fringe", especially Ireland, I am a bit sceptical of your assessment.



edited by: P_Trembath, Jul 21, 2008 - 03:43 PM



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21.Jul 2008 - 16:00

The Tories in Cornwall were shocking and is the reason why the LDs are so prominent now. The Tories are the party that is farthest removed from any form of devolution or assembly and it would be Westminster rules OK. The Tories are generally poorly received in the 'Celtic Fringe'.
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21.Jul 2008 - 16:25

The tories are poorly received on the celtic fringe, but this is more to do woith historic policy and action rather than current policy. After all Major was more important in the peace process in NI than Blair. the irish hate the tories because of their historical association with unionism and in the south with the landowning classes. Wales, S wales particularly, is the birth place of the labour party so no surprise that they aren't big tory fans.

My bad experience of the tories from the 70s, 80s and 90s is more that they were capitalistic and not mindful of communities and social issues, to put it mildly. They also have the grey brigade NT types which is particularly unhelpful in cornwall.

But we have a choice of 3 national parties (sorry MK not there yet), of which 2 have a chance of controlling power, Labour have no interest in cornwall and see it as a bit of tuscany in the SW region, a long way from their power base in the north and with seats that are virtually unwinnable for them. Also, nulab is completely centre control based.

The new cuddly tories are also centrist, but apparently less obsessed with centralised command and control structures, atleast they have a shadow minister for us, who can make vaguely appealing statements, and suggests that atleast someone in their national party in power in future at Westminister might have some interst in us, especially if we provide potentially defensible marginal seats.

The LDs are a waste of time, powerless in westminster, backstabbing liars at local level. independents or tories are our best bet, (independent votes being critical at times and even more powerful if parliament is anywhere near being hung)
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21.Jul 2008 - 19:05

QuoteThe new cuddly tories are also centrist, but apparently less obsessed with centralised command and control structures, atleast they have a shadow minister for us, who can make vaguely appealing statements, and suggests that atleast someone in their national party in power in future at Westminister might have some interst in us, especially if we provide potentially defensible marginal seats.

The LDs are a waste of time, powerless in westminster, backstabbing liars at local level. independents or tories are our best bet, (independent votes being critical at times and even more powerful if parliament is anywhere near being hung)


I have to agree. I don't like the Tories but I hope they wipe the floor with the LieDumbs. Then at least MK would have a proper right wing party to lay into. Tory localism can't be any worse than Lie Dumb Unitary Authorities slotted into Nu Labour regions.

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