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18.Jun 2008 - 16:51
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18.Jun 2008 - 20:51
The people of Cornwall did not have a majority vote for a Unitary Council. What they all do want is political representation from those who put Cornish - local - interests first.
Councillor Renshaw entered political life to benefit the people of Cornwall. Sadly, he has discovered that the Liberal Democrat party is a not a suitable vehicle for promotion of the interests of the people of Cornwall.
His decision should give pause to the other Liberal Democrat Councillors in Cornwall. His words about the Liberal Democrats at County Hall pushing for a Unitary Authority, about how his colleagues are more led by directions arising from the other side of the Tamar rather than from this side of the Tamar should make ALL of our political representatives think why they are there. I would like to see a few more Councillors move - for Cornwall.
It is not only for Councillors to consider their positions. Our MPs should also review their positions. Do they see themselves as representing the interests of a British Region for a British Party in a British Parliament? Or are they going to make a statement for Cornwall and represent the interests of Cornwall.
The Liberal Democrats should only ever have been a vehicle for the promotion of the interests of Cornwall. Cornwall should never be only a vehicle for the promotion of the interests of the Liberal Democrats.
So, Julia and Andrew, (let’s start with you two) how about making a statement for Cornwall? ‘ Cross the floor’ (move your seats?) and become MPs for Cornwall.
Jennifer
edited by: JenniferA, Jun 18, 2008 - 08:53 PM
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18.Jun 2008 - 21:06
Mar vedhow avel gelvinek
(as maazed as a curlew)
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18.Jun 2008 - 22:08
Definitely worth a searchability maximising re-iteration and re-mulling!
'If other Liberal Democrat Councillors are reading this, then they should perhaps consider their positions.
The people of Cornwall did not have a majority vote for a Unitary Council. What they all do want is political representation from those who put Cornish - local - interests first.
Councillor Renshaw entered political life to benefit the people of Cornwall. Sadly, he has discovered that the Liberal Democrat party is a not a suitable vehicle for promotion of the interests of the people of Cornwall.
His decision should give pause to the other Liberal Democrat Councillors in Cornwall. His words about the Liberal Democrats at County Hall pushing for a Unitary Authority, about how his colleagues are more led by directions arising from the other side of the Tamar rather than from this side of the Tamar should make ALL of our political representatives think why they are there. I would like to see a few more Councillors move - for Cornwall.
It is not only for Councillors to consider their positions. Our MPs should also review their positions. Do they see themselves as representing the interests of a British Region for a British Party in a British Parliament? Or are they going to make a statement for Cornwall and represent the interests of Cornwall.
The Liberal Democrats should only ever have been a vehicle for the promotion of the interests of Cornwall. Cornwall should never be only a vehicle for the promotion of the interests of the Liberal Democrats.
So, Julia and Andrew, (let’s start with you two) how about making a statement for Cornwall? ‘ Cross the floor’ (move your seats?) and become MPs for Cornwall.
Jennifer'
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Posted:
18.Jun 2008 - 22:58
All Andrew George seems to do these days is slag off the Tories, but he's forgetting that the Lib Dems are becoming as reviled and hated as the Tories were back in the 1980s and 1990s. Actually, having a go at David Cameron just seemed a tired, lazy and out of touch example of politics on George's behalf.
Andrew George knows his party made a terrible mistake in ignoring the majority views of the public on the detested Unitary Authority. He's not man enough to admit it.
We need strong Cornishmen and women in our Cornish politics. Not sheep, and certainly not two-faced liars.
Well done to all councillors who've left the Liberal Democrats and stood for either MK or Independents. Put Cornwall first, not your stupid little London political parties.
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19.Jun 2008 - 16:27
Indeed he has put his job ahead of his principles.
He sits on the Lib Dem steam roller that is crushing Cornish democracy and shouts to the anxious crowd "hey I voted against this you know".
Andrew,
Less Cornish words spoken in parliament more Cornish actions in the Duchy.
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23.Jun 2008 - 15:21
Can it seriously be true that neither of you bother to keep your finger on the pulse of Cornwall24?
I cannot believe that. It would be such an ideal – additional – way for you to track views in Cornwall.
However, nor can I believe that neither of you can be bothered to address the concerns expressed in this thread.
I think that one or both of you should reply – or do you really not care?
Jennifer
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23.Jun 2008 - 15:40
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23.Jun 2008 - 15:40
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23.Jun 2008 - 17:52
Unlike MPs in England, they have a special responsibility to defend the rights and consciousness of a little people whose nationhood has been sucked away from them over centuries.
However, those people are becoming ever more aware of what has been done to them, like someone waking from a drugged dream, and, as we awaken, we will judge those who have defended us and condemn those who have betrayed us – if only by their sustained silence.
If Julia and Andrew see themselves as “protagonists of a Liberal Democrat cause in England”, then they had better leave for England, because we want people here who will work and fight for us, the Cornish in Cornwall!
Jennifer
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23.Jun 2008 - 20:50
Won't they? Don't hold your breath!!
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23.Jun 2008 - 21:02
The libdems have generated popular support, even if this support is missplaced, what are MK/Cornish movement doing to create a competing level of popular support.
All I see over the last 10 years is a fall back from the popular cornish movement embodied in the cornish convention and the associated petition, who drove this poltiically? Libdems? MK? No, it was the independents, the people who work to make sure they are popular in their constituencies and shoe string budgets, perhaps MK should try and learn from these cornish politicians.
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23.Jun 2008 - 21:33
IJ you have no idea what goes on in Cornwall apart from your own which are based on assumptions and naive assertions.
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23.Jun 2008 - 21:40
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23.Jun 2008 - 22:27
Julia Goldsworthy: http://www.publ...ay=everyvote
Radyo an Gernewegva
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23.Jun 2008 - 22:55
If putting party before Cornwall on this level is supposed to be a tactic to stay as MP, then is selling Cornwall down the river worth it? Surely if 80 percent of Penwith people were against the UA he could have rebelled against his party and kept his seat.
The rebel vote in the commons was meaningless because AG would have known as a Labour majority bill it would have been passed anyway. The rebel vote was a token gesture.
edited by: piskey6, Jun 23, 2008 - 10:56 PM
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24.Jun 2008 - 09:21
Most MK are regarded as independents? So are you suggesting that MK is a ragtaggle collection of solo runners? No wonder they provide no threat to the LibDems.
You may disregard the independents, but they demonstarte the way to get elected and remain popular with limited resources against the LibDem and Tory machines. After all theres no point in having a political party that doesn't go all out to be popular and get elected, as whatever you beliefs they are irrelevant unless you have power.
19 Independent County Councillors 0 MK County Councillors
How can MK as an organised political party claim to represent the views of cornish people when it doesn't even have 1 county councillor or an independent willing to affiliate with the party?
Or is your original statement
a way of claim county councillors by the back door? councillors that won't publicly acknowledge an association with MK.
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24.Jun 2008 - 09:37
There are no official MK county councillors, yet there are county councillors who are either MK members or very much take the same view as MK. Likewise there are Independents who take a similar view to other political parties.
You also need to bear in mind that many people in Cornwall want a Cornish Assembly. This was a major pledge by the Lib-Dems in 2005. Many Tories, Labour and Independents want a Cornish Assembly too. As this is one of MK's major campaigns, then it would be fair to say that at the time, MK were quite happy for the other parties to support the campaign. MK's agenda is to get a Cornish Assembly, so having no county councillors yet a county council on the road to an Assembly would not be ideal for the party, but at least MK could have supported them in this aspect. The Lib-Dems have now reneged on that pledge.
edited by: piskey6, Jun 24, 2008 - 09:44 AM
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24.Jun 2008 - 09:49
Perhaps thats the problem?
If any independent county councillors are members of MK by definition they aren'6t independents and should declare their position rather than lie to their electorate, this kind of duplicity should not be tolerated from any politicians.
Yes they may take similar views to MK, but why then would being under the MK banner might make them unelectable?
Wow, a district councillor defected, what powers can MK bring to bear as a result of that monumental event. It would be newsworthy if it were an MP, but for jesus sake MK can't even get any county councillors to be official members of the party (and therefore no longer be indepenedents).
Yes, agree LibDems are no good for cornwall, as they are either undercover unionists or slack journeymen. But MK can't even muster to adequately challenge these bunch of muppets.
edited by: IrishJack, Jun 24, 2008 - 09:51 AM
But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions, backbiting and esoteric language drivel
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24.Jun 2008 - 10:00
Any Independents or other County Councilors that have sympathies with, or are members of, MK, do quite openly state that! Again, given that you don't live in Cornwall, this explains your ignorance of this fact. Why don't you refrain from making assertions and assumptions based mostly on your own imagination and the ramblings of a minority of misinformed cod 'Cornish Nationalists' that inhabit this forum?
edited by: piskey6, Jun 24, 2008 - 10:04 AM
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24.Jun 2008 - 10:11
This is simply lying to the electorate, none of the CCC indepenedents mention their membership of Mk in their personal profiles that I have seen, please enlighten us to these MK sleepers and provide associated links to support your position.
Small resources, blah blah blah, does this really mean no support? 'cos' volunteers not finance/media support win local elections.
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24.Jun 2008 - 11:21
When I refer to MK resources, I include volunteers to help with leafleting, canvassing and campaigning - they work very hard but there are not enough. Forum bothering 'ideas merchants' such as you do little to compound the fact that Cornwall24 is anything but a majority of idle misguided and (irrationally) opinionated buffoons with a limited and largely deluded understanding of Cornish politics.
edited by: piskey6, Jun 24, 2008 - 11:27 AM
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24.Jun 2008 - 11:26
Then again, perhaps they're members of MK because they like their manifesto, and don't bother forming an MK political group because it's not necessary for their aims and objectives, which is simply the day to day running of the parish council.
edited by: piskey6, Jun 24, 2008 - 11:29 AM
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24.Jun 2008 - 11:31
I find it intriguing that so many cornish posters are anti-irish, seen as RoI are the only indepenednt celtic state where most help should be sought. I have questioned, as indicated on C24, why elements of the cornish movement contact Sein Fein rather than Fianna Fail for precisely the reasons of association with bully boy criminal nationalism.
Why don't you tell us all then, which CCCllrs are MK members who are aligned with the independent group, as I'm ignorant. If they are members of a political party why would they be embararsed to have this information presented here or anywhere?
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24.Jun 2008 - 12:23
edited by: piskey6, Jun 24, 2008 - 12:31 PM
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24.Jun 2008 - 12:33
Isn't it generally the case that fledgling states see help, for example by ratification of their nationhood, from established states?
I agree I think the celtic brotherhood is a romantic myth. But many others, such as FlB, seem to think it exists.
What could be more helpful to Cornwall than RoI at the EU level questioning the UK as to why the cornish are not included as a minority group. Or the SNP governing party of the scotiish parliament passing a motion in favour of a cornish assembly. Unfortunately we probbably need a united political entity to represnt the cornish people to these governmnets.
This political entity can't be MK because a you've said piskey they aren't interested in representing the views of the cornish people.
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24.Jun 2008 - 12:33
edited by: IrishJack, Jun 24, 2008 - 12:34 PM
But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions, backbiting and esoteric language drivel
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2.Jul 2008 - 17:16
Julia Goldsworthy (Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, Department for Communities and Local Government; Falmouth & Camborne, Liberal Democrat)Link to this Hansard source Watch this
The Minister's Department likes to talk the talk about community empowerment and engagement, but it does not walk the walk. Is that not apparent in its approach to eco-towns? What does the Minister think speaks more loudly to the British public: a declaration of passionate commitment to the empowerment agenda, or the imposition of eco-towns against the will of the local community and its elected representatives through site-specific planning policy guidance that can then be overturned on appeal? Do not actions speak louder than words?
Yes interesting Julia and you surely have a point but one might ask why then you are a member of the party that has sold Cornwall’s democratic aspirations up the river, ignored the will of the people and imposed a unitary authority.
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