Topic:	New railway for Cornwall - MK campaign success with Network Rail
piskey6 Posts: 386 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 15:27	For years Cornwall has campaigned for better rail services to London, with Mebyon Kernow - The Party for Cornwall at the forefront of many proposals. Now Network Rail has outlined considerations for a new railway for Cornwall. This is a brilliant opportunity for a reliable, fast and affordable service. http://news.bbc.../7467203.stm edited by: piskey6, Jun 21, 2008 - 03:29 PM
Coady Posts: 2107 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 16:53	Well, nice idea perhaps, but I suspect what local people need more than a high speed link to London is a better local service that has more commuter trains that stop at EVERY station, improvements to the smaller stations, re-laying of the branch lines stupidly closed in the 60s, and better links between train and local bus services. I often try to make necessary trips using public transport, but time and time again I am frustrated by lack of adequate service/flexibility. I wonder if a high speed rail link is as important as some people think, or is it just a headline grabbing bit of posing and 'keeping up with Europe'?? I suspect more local residents would like improved local services, rather than shaving some time off the 'once in a blue moon' trip to London..... Graham. We live in interesting times.
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 17:11	CoadyWell, nice idea perhaps, but I suspect what local people need more than a high speed link to London is a better local service that has more commuter trains that stop at EVERY station, improvements to the smaller stations, re-laying of the branch lines stupidly closed in the 60s, and better links between train and local bus services. I often try to make necessary trips using public transport, but time and time again I am frustrated by lack of adequate service/flexibility. I wonder if a high speed rail link is as important as some people think, or is it just a headline grabbing bit of posing and 'keeping up with Europe'?? I suspect more local residents would like improved local services, rather than shaving some time off the 'once in a blue moon' trip to London..... Graham. Have to agree with you there coady, but if I come home via the eurostar it'll make my journey a little quicker. The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
lucy_ellis Posts: 234 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 17:30	This is great news from Cornwall, and a typical response from FlB - stick your spam-making blog and meaningless 'web discussion democracy drivel' that only powerless euro-nerds read. Coady, Cornwall needs proper transport links, Newquay Airport is dodgy - it gets fogged out and caters for budget flight posh yobs - the business sector don't trust it. Business people I speak to rely on the train. So, when the owner of a Cornish company needs to broker a deal up in London, or abroad and gets delayed on a clunky stopping train, misses their meeting, and Cornish lads and lasses don't get nice jobs in Cornwall - then you'll be happy to tell them that at least they can get a nice stopping service to Camborne job centre to sign on? Of course, a TGV style service for Cornwall, would mean investment in the railways as a whole. Nice stopping services for the local workforce, new stations and railway lines would be far more likely. edited by: lucy_ellis, Jun 21, 2008 - 05:31 PM
Coady Posts: 2107 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 17:33	Gosh, Lucy, FLB only posted one sentence..... We live in interesting times.
fancyabrew Posts: 1362 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 17:48	Good news if it EVER happens, and I have BIG doubts (take a look at the other proposed routes, I’d nearly bet my bolloxs that we’ll come bottom of the list) also imagine the planning headaches! But I really hope it happens, the wife and I went to Brussels on EuroStar a couple of weeks ago (3rd time I’ve been on EuroStar) and it really is a top service (St Pancreas is even better then Waterloo and that was a very good terminal, we really show Paris and Brussels how to do a station!) Trouble is although everything went to plan no hold ups at all on EuroStar or FGW to and from London, you can’t really risk EuroStar in one go. We were in London anyway at Wembly for a foo fighters gig. I always find it amazing that when you get to Plymouth its still another 2 hours to Penzance when its 3h to London!
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 18:14	lucy_ellisThis is great news from Cornwall, and a typical response from FlB - stick your spam-making blog and meaningless 'web discussion democracy drivel' that only powerless euro-nerds read. Coady, Cornwall needs proper transport links, Newquay Airport is dodgy - it gets fogged out and caters for budget flight posh yobs - the business sector don't trust it. Business people I speak to rely on the train. So, when the owner of a Cornish company needs to broker a deal up in London, or abroad and gets delayed on a clunky stopping train, misses their meeting, and Cornish lads and lasses don't get nice jobs in Cornwall - then you'll be happy to tell them that at least they can get a nice stopping service to Camborne job centre to sign on? Of course, a TGV style service for Cornwall, would mean investment in the railways as a whole. Nice stopping services for the local workforce, new stations and railway lines would be far more likely.edited by: lucy_ellis, Jun 21, 2008 - 05:31 PM OOOOOO get you! Meaow! I wonder who LE is a sock puppet for? Or who he/she has been rubbing shoulders with? Anyway it is good news and I'm sure I'll take full advantage of the new train but I still can't help thinking that improving public transport in the Duchy would have been better. But just so that there are no mistakes -I THINK IT IS GOOD NEWS ANYWAY- The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 18:15	Quotefoo fighters gig They're good aren't they? The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
fancyabrew Posts: 1362 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 18:22	sure are! seen them twice now, Wembly is pretty fab too
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 18:33	I saw them here a couple of years ago with QOTSA and the Pixes in a festival. Saw ACDC at Wembly, not bad for old farts. edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Jun 21, 2008 - 07:33 PM The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
Nosdan Posts: 1193 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 18:45	I think it'll be a double edge sword... Whilst it would undoubtedly help Cornish business and economy. It'll see more people relocate here as it'll be easier to commute out of the Duchy. More immigration more dilution of Cornish culture. On the whole I think it'll be advantageous, but agree that Cornwall will be the absolute last place to be linked. I would prefer to see a the funding going to better local transport routes, not just in Cornwall... Perhaps invest in tram systems and subways in places other than London. Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)
Coady Posts: 2107 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 18:49	Hmmm, not sure about subways if in Cornwall, the engineers would find more mines than rock! We live in interesting times.
P_Trembath online Posts: 1080 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 18:52	CoadyHmmm, not sure about subways if in Cornwall, the engineers would find more mines than rock! That's half the work done then. Kernow Kensa! Our day will come! "Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
fancyabrew Posts: 1362 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 18:56	if they do a line to the SW it'll end at Exeter. things get a little tricky after that
lucy_ellis Posts: 234 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 19:29	FULUB LE BRETON ARE YOU TRULY INSANE? Did the Network Rail proposals proclaim: 'CORNWALL TO GET NEW HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK TO LONDON BUT ABSOLUTLEY NO OTHER INVESTMENT IN LOCAL TRANSPORT'? No it didn't!!!! So if Cornwall builds itself a new university does that mean it won't build a new harbour for the fisherman? Of course not. Why do you assume that getting a high speed rail link will mean it's at the expense of other tranpsort projects?
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 20:39	Calm down. Good grief some people need cool down a bit. I'm just saying that if someone said 'here is a packet of cash that you can either spend on local transport infrastructure or a high speed rail link for second home owners' I know what I'd choose. But if we can have both alls the better. The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
lucy_ellis Posts: 234 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 20:45	But that was never an issue FlB. Network Rail neither inferred nor stated that it was either high speed or local services. In which case you've simply hypothesised out of context with the point. Cornwall could get a high speed rail link. So far there is no choice between that and something else, be it a new limo for David Whalley or a new fleet of buses etc. Likewise, Network Rail haven't indicated any new local services for Cornwall. They just announced they are considering building a new high speed rail link. Why do you insist on making distractive assumptions? Please don't ever stand for election to a council, you'll be one of those idiots that just prattles on about crap while everyone fidgets and wants to throw you out of the window.
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 20:50	QuotePlease don't ever stand for election to a council, you'll be one of those idiots that just prattles on about crap while everyone fidgets and wants to throw you out of the window. had a bit to drink have we? I'd love to know who you are, I get the feeling we've met? You really need to learn the difference between a chat room and a council meeting though. QuoteBut that was never an issue FlB. Network Rail neither inferred nor stated that it was either high speed or local services. I know, I was just thinking out loud, its what people do on forums like this. QuoteCornwall could get a high speed rail link. So far there is no choice between that and something else, be it a new limo for David Whalley or a new fleet of buses etc. Good, I hope you're right. The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
Mike Posts: 2744 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 21:08	FLB, I think you will find people on here inordinately argumentative, often about trivia, it's the weather at the moment doing it
lucy_ellis Posts: 234 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 21:16	Mike's right, it's the weather, once it passes I'll be back down at Gwithian tearing it up on the landboard and power kite till the next time.
Mike Posts: 2744 Posted: 21.Jun 2008 - 21:24	Better in the Red River pub
ThingsThatGoFlirInTheShla Posts: 605 Posted: 22.Jun 2008 - 02:09	lucy_ellisFULUB LE BRETON ARE YOU TRULY INSANE? Did the Network Rail proposals proclaim: 'CORNWALL TO GET NEW HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK TO LONDON BUT ABSOLUTLEY NO OTHER INVESTMENT IN LOCAL TRANSPORT'? No it didn't!!!! So if Cornwall builds itself a new university does that mean it won't build a new harbour for the fisherman? Of course not. Why do you assume that getting a high speed rail link will mean it's at the expense of other tranpsort projects? I have a feeling she doesn't like you very much Fulub She also seems not to allow you any slack unless you describe yourself in detail and in full. You should learn from this mistake... bad FlB! ---------- Kilgi yw ev Withnail, arbenniger a-tarow nyns yw ev! aaaa!
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 22.Jun 2008 - 10:11	There does seem to be an anti-FLB league at times. Eurosceptics, 9/11 wackos, the far right, Lib Dumbers etc. I know I'm out spoken and perhaps I haven't made any friends but then again I never set out to. The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
goky Posts: 1828 Posted: 22.Jun 2008 - 13:27	You mean people cannot get out of Cornwall quick enough?? The blog The Great Goky Blog