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Ah, but is not Yellow/Gold also the colour most closely associated with the Lib Dems?
Also, I thought it was supposed to be a unitary authority, not a council.
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Devon Fire and Rescue Service - Cornwall County Fire Brigade. Of course, this was to differentiate it from the competing 'Cornwall Fire Brigade' [I think not]
What about Duchy Council? Got a better ring to it!
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Except that it is not a Council, it is an "Authority", and a unitary one at that.
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It doesn't really matter how they badge it or what they call it though, its what they will DO and how they do it that matters....
I'm not holding my breath.
We live in interesting times.
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Cant understand what all the excitement is about!
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1.No implied or explicit reference to this Toytown UA being merely a transitionary stepping stone to the future PROPER CORNISH ASSEMBLY.
2.No bilinguality.
3.No classic CORNISH 'iconic'(sic) content.
Would Whalley's dictatorial ass fit nicely on the sharp ends of that insipid and meaningless 'contemporary' Lib nonDem subliminal colour indoctrination flame logo-lite?
PS A lot of money could be saved by applying tippex on existing stationery to 'deliver' 'Cornwall Council'!
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1/ How much did the new logo cost?
2/ Who designed it (was it a Cornish company)?
3/ Onen hag Oll – One and All. Has this motto been dropped from Cornwall Council?
4/ I see that the word county has been dropped; does the council now consider Cornwall to be a region?
5/ The new logo looks a bit like the British Gas logo. Any comments?
The reply I got was:
Hi Nigel
1 and 2 As in my press release, the logo has been developed by the in house team here at county hall so has not cost anything.
3 There is still more work to do as we develop clear guidelines on how the logo will be used including decisions on straplines.
4. The name of the new council is Cornwall Council It will be a new council made up from the existing 7 councils. Cornwall is still a county.
5 I don’t know what the British gas logo is like but I think the new logo is fantastic – it brings together the traditional elements of the Cornish shield and tartan in a really dynamic way. We have had lots of really positive feedback already from our staff.
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How about running a parallel but heavyweight and serious logo design event at 'Cornish World'/C24 and having a 'Vote!' at C24 when the submissions date has been reached.
PS Perhaps you could write back to your correspondent and request historical backup for the point of view that 'Cornwall is still a county'.
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Elements of the Shield, It's got a pointy bit at the bottom, and......well,........it's got a pointy bit at the bottom. Yes, I can see how that is a traditional element of a shield.
Ah, so the "in house team" work for free then.
Or, "the in house team" did this work as unpaid overtime, whilst chipping in some money to cover electric and other materials used then.
Or, do they really mean that we've paid for it from our council tax.
Any negative feedback?
Is this the same staff that are so loyal that they work for free, or possibly the ones who might be concerned for their jobs in the future, and do not want to rock the boat.
Personally, I think that it is on a par with the famed London Olympic logo, a childish splodge designed by someone who has taken far too much recreational drugs. Whats worse, despite their claim to the contrary, we paid for it.
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Show us some evidence then.
Can I ask - Is anyone in the "county" council voted for?
I put the same arguement as always, and would be grateful for it to be forwarded to this man.
From Oxford dictionary:
"Domain of a count"
Have you ever heard of a Count of Cornwall? I have not. Is he some secret, shy figure? I know we have the DUKE of Cornwall.
Oh no, but look at this, aain from Oxford
The territory of a DUKE. Well, doesnt that blow your claim out of the water.
So, lets have a look at this.
A county is territory of a count or countess
A duchy is a territory of a duke or duchess
Cornwall is territory of a duke, therefore surely, corresponding to the above statements, published by one of the leading English dictionaries, it should be a Duchy.
Sorry to destroy your frankly mis-informed claims of the constitutional status of Cornwall.
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"Could you design a logo for Cornwall Council?
Send your designs for a logo to: yourpics@bbc.co.uk and we'll display a few of the best."
I wonder if any offensive stereotype ones will be submitted and shown? who knows.
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lol
I thought the new logo represented the hopes of the Cornish people going up in smoke and flames anyway!
I'll stick with the coat of arms and motto!
So they have decided 'Cornwall Council', at least they dropped County! Translates to Consel Kernewek? (sorry, only a unified 1st grade student)
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The one they plan on using:-
Perhaps this is nearer the truth:-
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lots of comments about the logo here....
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If any of you have been watching the Glastonbury highlights this has been flown down the middle of nearly every concert!
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The combination of the two would show off the friction of the Duchy and the Cornish nation in an accessable way.
We must be realistic, and work from where we are now.
Unfortunately, because of the size of Cornwall (Which is the typical average size of english counties) this lie has been perpetuated.
We need easy ways to get the general public involved in this debate.
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HERETK have learned that this comment by 'CarbonBoot' has been repeatedly blocked by the Northcliffe Media Western Morning News 'thisiscornwall.co.uk'(ho!ho!) information stream management machine:
'Fundamental 'Logo' Flaws:
1.No Classic Cornish 'icon' present.
2.No Bilinguality (Yet?).
3.No reference to interim status in progress towards a PROPER Cornish Assembly.
According to a
public statement made by David Whalley to the Cornish Constitutional Convention, the UA should be regarded as merely a stepping stone to securing a proper Cornish Assembly to bring Cornwall's governance alongside that of the two other Celtic Nations of mainland Britain-Scotland and Wales - Cornwall being NEXT to England,just like Scotland and Wales.'edited by: TeamKernow, Jun 30, 2008 - 01:17 AM
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You would be mistaken to infer any gullibility, naivety or credulity on TK's part from it.
TK take the view that the Liberally Nondemocratic Liberal Democrats of Cornwall, including its MPs, have been supine,spineless and weak in betraying Cornwall's natural place alongside Wales and Scotland in achieving greater national autonomy after centuries of English Imperialism, Oppression and Exploitation - whether through charm,bribery,theft or violence in all its forms.
Manifesto Obligations demand that the Liberally Undemocratic Liberal Democrats follow through their stated commitment with the pursuit of a vision of Cornish autonomy far beyond that embodied in the very limited and Westminster centred Toytown Unitary Authority.
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That might be helpful and interesting...
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Cornwall's proposed apology for a 'logo':
Cornwall's new 'logo' best solution:
STEP 1.STEP 2: Go Back To The Drawing Board, Whalley & Co.
STEP 3: Come up with something more SOLID, MEANINGFUL, DIGNIFIED & REAL.
This one 'ticks a lot of boxes' !:
Could do with the incorporation of the national flag though,just like those of the two other Celtic Nations of the British mainland...
Imagine a repeat of all this palaver if/when the transformation to a Proper Cornish Assembly comes around. Far better to have kept manifesto promises and insisted on the Proper Cornish Assembly in the first place and NOT played the
Toytown Unitary Authority game at all.That's still possible of course - reorganisation 'invitations' from Westminster don't HAVE to be taken up.
Especially when they have NO democratic mandate whatsoever.
NB Northcliffe Media Western Morning News 'thisiscornwall.co.uk'(ho!ho!)
filtered 'Logo' debate still chugging along
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If we went down the route of a modern coat of arms, surely it would have as centrepiece an Eden dome with a £ sign on it, on one side a benefit claimant, and on the other a tourist with a surfboard, and overall a seagull with a pasty in its chops!
OK, a bit tongue in cheek, but the coat of arms is outdated and lacking in contemporary relevance.
Keep the coat of arms for issues relating to 'traditional' Cornwall, but let the UA have whatever logo it wants. It 'sort of' keeps the two things properly separate!
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'Bards blast Cornish logo11:56 - 07-July-2008
As tempers flare in Cornwall over the logo for the new super council, the county's(?) Grand Bard has joined the opposition.
Vanessa Beeman wrote a letter to council leader David Whalley expressing her fears that some people felt they were being stripped of their identity and has called for the interim executive to reconsider its decision.
On April 1 next year, Cornwall County(?) Council and the six district councils will make way for one unitary authority.
The authority's new logo has been criticised by people who say it does not fully represent Cornwall, with some likening the design to the hairstyles of singer Amy Winehouse and American boxing promoter Don King.
Mrs Beeman wrote: "It is important that any marque adopted by the new council describes and evokes the essence of Cornwall because it is an international symbol which signifies a place and a culture which has a strong and growing international dimension.
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"As Grand Bard, I sense that I am speaking on behalf of both the College of Bards and a wide cross-section of Cornish society in asking that the interim executive reconsider its decision and commission a new modern rendition of the traditional crest, including the fisherman and miner and the Cornish language, and with the addition of an evocation of the symbol of St Piran."
Cornwall County(!) Council says the logo is "inspiring and dynamic, bringing a contemporary modern feel to the best of Cornish tradition."
The Gorsedd of Bards, which upholds Celtic traditions in Cornwall, promotes Cornish language, literature, music and history. While the not-for-profit group recognised the proposed logo was well-designed and, "in a benign way", sympathetic to Cornish culture and its Celtic roots, it felt it was insufficient in portraying the depth or range of Cornish identity and heritage.
Left, traditional Cornwall Coat of Arms and the current council logo
Mrs Beeman continued: "We strongly assert that, as the Cornish language has been recognised by the Council of Europe, and its future development is funded by the British Government, and it is clearly and widely identified with modern Cornwall, that any marque of any public sector body with specific responsibilities for Cornwall should be using Kernewek (the Cornish language) in its insignia and, in appropriate ways, in its communications, promotions and presentations of Cornwall.
"Gorseth Kernow feels that any marque for the new council should embody a very strong sense of the civic and constitutional identity of Cornwall, as well as an evocation of culture and heritage.
"It should be able to evoke pride and recognition amongst Cornish folk in Cornwall and amongst lovers, customers, colleagues, ex-pats and descendants around the world."
The Grand Bard said the Gorsedd recognised it was important to deploy modern design values and techniques in developing a corporate image for the new authority.
But she added: "We feel that a reworking of the familiar, well-known, widely recognised and much-loved crest assemblage would be more appropriate and that this might include the addition of a reference to the St Piran's Cross which has become so widely associated with the positive outward-facing cultural values of modern Cornwall."
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Oh dear, what a shame that the consultants have been let lose on the logo. Cornwall is full of great images and traditions which could be used. Personally I would like the traditonal logo to be adapted.
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As an adopted 'Salopian' and a regular visitor to Cornwall I think it is most important that the logan of Cornwall must reflect the County's background. The new emblem would be great if trying establish that 'Cornwall is going up in flames'. The views of the Grand Bard are, in my opinion, very relevant and the new Council should change its stance on this subject.
Peter Ainsworth, Shropshire
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Looks a bit like a fish that caught fire, heading south/to the bottom; doesn't really inspire me much; I don't see that having a fisherman & a miner holding Cornwall's emblem makes us look thick or backward. Going forward is fine, so long as you don't forget who you are or where you come from. Lessons can only be learned when you look at the history; models are usually improved when you work on existing ones... Ditching the past in favour of new, meaningless 'logos' is a denial of oneself. Cornwall is a Duchy that's been more open to the outside world for longer than most parts of Britain/Europe; don't see how a strange new logo can improve that.
P. Lemon, Penryn
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My wife and I agree with Vanessa. If it aint broke why fix it.
The people who thought this up are the same sort of people that want to change the Union flag for the Euro flag.
Colin, Penzance
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As a local for an energy supplier, it's fine. But it carries absolutely nothing of the history, culture or language of Kernow. Once again, this "council" got it wrong.
Robas, Fowey
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Thought the new logo is similar to Al Jazeera television.
richard, bodmin
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I agree with the Bard. I think this new design is inappropriate and unnecessary. If as they say they need an international symbol, what's wrong with the existing one.
Do you think our European cousins, such as Switzerland , France and Germany would swap their beautiful regional heraldic shields for some abstract design that requires an explanation of its design purpose. I think not.
Let's stick with what we've got as it has stood us in good stead and represents the truly Cornish and not some imported bureaucrats from who knows where!
Malcolm Cole, Trebetherick
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I think it tells people coming in to the county we've moved into 2008. Because if you speak to many people in other parts of England they think Cornwall is still in 1808. And if you look around the County you can't blame them,so black and white and out of date.
Ken, Truro
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Creating a brand or symbol for such a creative and passionate folk like the Cornish is always going to be difficult! However as a Cornish designer that has lived overseas and come back to my roots I definately do NOT like this new logo. It may contain some positive, modern lines but it is not well composed, not very balanced or harmonious in my opinion and certainly could say more about this stunning and much loved part of Britain.
Dave Matthews, Penryn
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As the senior bard in Australia, I must protest about the loss of the traditional Cornish crest and the Cornish language from the new Council logo. Surely a design more descriptive and evocative could have been chosen.
Roslyn Paterson, Australia
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Modernising the crest is fine but we must NEVER lose the fifteen besants which are internationally recognised as a symbol of Cornwall. I agree with Vanessa that the Cornish language should also be an integral part of the design as well as the cross of St Piran if possible. The powers that be must think again. I hope all Cornish people will tell them in the strongest possible terms that we will not accept the latest attempt to dilute our heritage.
Roger Watson, Tregony
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I am not a fan of CCC but, from a design point of view, I really like this logo - it's a modern take on an old classic: stylish, vibrant, a good use of colour and dynamic shapes. Shame that the choice is creating so much controversy because, for once, I think they got it right.
redfish, Cornwall
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These comments are somewhat short sighted (in my opinion). I feel that a good compromise has been achieved with the logo. The two men on the old logo make Cornwall look out of date, unmodern and very provincial, a County that is insular, closed off and not interested in what is going on in the outside world - i.e. we don't like change, we don't want to be part of Britain, we don't want to be inclusive or part of the bigger picture! The new logo looks in keeping with our modern times. It has 'One & all, Onen Hag Oll, the correct shield and a Chough' taken from the old logo. A more modern slant yet keeping the Cornish identity - letting 'outsiders' know that this is Cornwall but we are a modern county.
Fiona Shearer, Camborne
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I agree with the Grand Bard - a more modern working of the traditional crest, including the Cornish language would be preferable to the current proposition. I'm Cornish but live in Wales.
sandra bonney, Cardiff
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Cornish people should be proud and upstanding in the fight to stay CORNISH, keep our flag flying
Lorna, Falmouth
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I agree with the grand Bard on the design and the Cornish Language. It is imperative that anything that represents Cornwall should be incorporated in any design. I might add that I am Welsh and living in Cornwall.
John Grindle, Newquay
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Well done Vanessa! Cornwall wouldn't BE Cornwall if it hadn't been for all the 'drecklys' of yesteryear. Thank goodness we have somebody of some standing to represent us. Do you think those overpaid twirps at County Hall will listen. If they do not, we must take action!
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‘I work for the County Council and statistics say a minority of Cornish people work there, I am but one in my group of 30! My family goes back generations, and as a CCC worker and Cornish I hate the new logo, it means nothing and represents less. The Council executives who chose the final design did consult 100 staff, which chose (so they say) a sail design or the current choice, but how many of those staff are Cornish?
I want the new council to say Cornish heritage and Cornish future, not this!’
One in a group of thirty. No wonder the whole thing is a lash-up.
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With regard to how many of Cornwall Council's staff are Cornish, the answer is next to none above typist level. The same applies to most of the local authorities. Just like those departments of the National Trust, "English" Heritage, Natural "England" etc. which operate here.
That discriminatory policies are being applied is without argument but, just like the other illegal discriminations such as age bias, just try proving it.
In 21st century Britain, minorities (especially Celtic ones) have NO enforceable rights whatsoever.
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And how much to replace all these signs in this rich economy (whatever economy means ) we live in?
If I had money to spend; Signs, Council Newspapers and Bottled Water would be right of the bottom of the list !
Is this the same Simon Parker that alledgedly speaks up for the Cornish ? Bloody disgraceful comments.
Whalley continues to rip the piss....and our elected representatives bar a few say and do nothing. There should be mass opposition to this.
A time and a chance to stand " One and All ".
The crest must stay !
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The guy must be on LSD or something as I can't see it! (Might explain his keeness for a unitary authority.) Or perhaps he doesn't know anything about our history. Answers on a postcard...
The crest must stay!
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bummer!It has to go.
Along with its
Westminster
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Cornish National Assembly - NOW!
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Bring those Anglo-Imperialist rafters down!
In the interests of continuity, here is that last TK post again:
(TK are grateful for the reposting opportunity!)
Yes, Verity, that logo's certainly a
bummer!It has to go.
Along with its
Westminster
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Cornish National Assembly - NOW!
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However, if, as David Whalley has stated publicly, the misleadingly and duplicitly titled 'Unitary Authority' is but a stepping stone to the proper Cornish National Assembly, shouldn't the PROPER icons be kept untainted for the PROPER, MATURE & DESTINED Cornish National Assembly?
Best to stop all this Toytown non'Unitary' 'Authority' faffing about immediately, renegotiate with Westminster and take Cornwall STRAIGHT to that destination.
Working, effective and tested models already exist in Wales and Scotland.
Get on with the REAL THING!
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Has the proposal been passed by the Council ?
As far as I can gather the new Logo will cost us half a million poinds. Add to that the bottled water and Magazine scandals and what is the total sum being wasted by these tossers ?
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Looks to me like the emblem of a cattle breed society from somewhere in the Balkans. Is somebody trying to tell us something?
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I know some who take down the english flag and put your Kernow flag up instead
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Doomed Dead Duck Ass Doodle Resuscitation Attempt!
See today's Western Morning News front page.
Internetty Edition:
HERE.
The Dead Duck Ass Doodle Is Dead.
Let The Dead Duck Doodle Die!
PROPER CORNISH NATIONAL ASSEMBLY NOW!
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Don't care if the silly buggers have voted their own approval. We haven't been asked yet and it ain't too late. The logo is, in my view, meaningless, and without any of the dignity that Cornwall and its unique constitutional status deserves. Instead, we have a trendy, anywhere-type logo that portrays Cornwall as no more special than MacDonald's (or Warren's Bakery). And I'll lay odds that it was designed east of the Tamar - God forbid that the Cornish should ever been seen as capable of creativity.
So, I've just had a go at designing a logo for the unitary authority. And it didn't cost half a million. I'd post it here, if I had the equipment to enable me to do it, but I haven't. I'll try the WMN.
Simply, it is topped by a stylised chough, drawn in the same Celtic style as the Late Bronze Age/Early Iron Age White Horse of Uffington.
The chough perches on a segmented equilateral triangle containing St Piran's Cross (segmeented because the white arms do not have an external outline), on which are superimposed the 15 gold bezants. The traditional motto: "Onen hag oll" is written in a font drawn from our 5th-9th century inscribed stones. Four colours only: black, white, gold, red (sorry PP - no pink, I'm afraid).
Why the choices?
The chough is, of course, our national bird symbol. The equilateral triangle (rather than a shield) reflects the traditional significance of the number 3 to Celtic societies; the three-line poetic Celtic triads; and the three times that Cornish forces marched on England.
The bezants reflect Cornwall's unique status as a Duchy and Palatine state.
The motto - kept in the spelling we're all used to - speaks for itself.
It's also time the tired old term "Council" was consigned to the dustbin of history, alng with "corporation". What is to stop the new authority calling itself "The Senate of Cornwall", or "the Assembly of Cornwall"? Surely it can call itself whatever it likes, whether or not it ruffles feathers in Whitehall or Westminster (in fact, use of the latter might have an influence in forcing their hands - and who gives a sod what they think, anyhow).
All it takes is a few councillors with cojones. And a lot of continued pressure from us.
Too late, I hear you say? It is NEVER too late.
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'One' Council Wiltshire'One' Council Shropshire'One' Durham'One' Cheshire'One' Northumberland'One' Bedford'One' Medway'One' CornwallAt the Cornish Constitutional Convention Annual Conference in Truro on December 1st 2007
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David Whalley,Cornwall 'County' Council 'leader' and Toytown disUnitary Authority Bid Frontman said:“We are at the beginning of a process, and we have a strategy to achieve our long term ambition to ensure that decisions about Cornwall, which affect Cornwall and shape Cornwall, are made in Cornwall. The Government is beginning to see the light. It is aware that it is too centralised and that change is essential. The government sees Cornwall as a place which can be a test-bed for new ideas and new thinking. We need to persuade the Government that we are not only ambitious but also capable – we need to prove we can do the job.
Just as we are looking for devolution from the Government, so we are preparing to devolve powers and functions to the local level. Devolution is a principle and we are committed to achieving it.
In the medium term, we are looking to completely realign the public sector in Cornwall, and to roll back boundaries between different institutions. The unitary council is one step along the way. We have a long-term strategy. There is something inevitable about the journey to a Cornish Assembly. We see things happening around us – the dissolution of the regional assembly, changes in the way the RDA engages with sub-regions. It is important to note that Cornwall is the only ‘county’ area to be designated a ‘sub-region’. We are moving forward in creating a Cornish Development Agency. We are confident that strategic planning powers will come back to us after the regional assembly goes.
These are signals which we need to convert.
In the longer term we need to respond to the signal from Government that we should not wait to be told what to do – we should prepare to present new proposals. The Convention has been very influential in shaping thinking in Cornwall, and in shaping the perceptions of ministers and senior civil servants. How will the Convention respond to the new situation which it has contributed to creating? Will it change, and become even more involved in shaping Cornwall’s future?” '
For years and decades many dedicated people have fought for a proper Cornish National Assembly/Parliament comparable with those of Wales and Scotland, the other two Celtic Nations of mainland Britain lying NEXT to England, just like The Duchy Of Cornwall.
The 'One Cornwall' Toytown disUnitary Authority bid which Liberally ANTI-Democrat Whalley & Co made to Westminster without ANY apparent bid for a proper Cornish National Assembly/Parliament as the first choice, betrayed all those who had put so much effort, commitment and personal sacrifice into the pursuit of the proper Cornish National Assembly/Parliament.
A closer look at all those English 'One blah blah' Unitary Authority 'bids' and preparations reveals that the so-called 'One Cornwall' is no more than an identical formulaic top-down imposed package. The 'One' in the so-called 'One Cornwall' adspeak package has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with The Duchy Of Cornwall's NATIONAL motto: 'Onen Hag Oll' (One And All).
If the actualité of any of this is different from that described above, perhaps Mr Whalley will be good enough to come to Cornwall24 and explain what the differences are.
He could start a 'Talk With David' thread (might need some hands-on[not in a gravydavy sense!] proactive moderation!)
But....has David got the balls?
Perhaps Cornwall24's administrators will invite Mr Whalley to the C24 discussion boards to clarify a few points within a strictly monitored and dedicated thread...
It could be a highly informative and educational 'sticky' of great value to the people of Cornwall - just like
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The new one has incorporated St Piran's Cross but I can't seem to see it.
How do you load images into messages?
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Do you mean in a post on here?
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The latest corporate logo for Cornwall has once again been slammed by critics after the unveiling of the final draft of the much derided emblem which will represent the county.
The flame-like design – which will cost £65,000 to implement but has been condemned as looking like "the emblem of a cattle breed society from somewhere in the Balkans" – has been adapted to be more reminiscent of St Piran's flag, designers say.
But critics say the money would be better spent on public services and have dismissed the latest adaptations as "window dressing".
The new logo will replace the current county crest when the unitary authority takes over from the county council and district councils next year.
Graeme Hicks, leader of Kerrier District Council, who sits on the implementation executive responsible for the transition to the unitary authority, said: "Frankly it's bizarre. This is no better than the last one – it's just window dressing."
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"People want something that represents Cornwall's cultural identity. There is a passion in Cornwall that the people making these decisions don't understand."
The current county crest featuring a fisherman, miner and a chough will be ditched next April in favour of the new logo.
Mr Hicks said: "The whole issue is being run by a bungling load of incompetents.
"We had a good logo that represented Cornwall well. These people don't want the county crest because they are saying it's a new council but really it's a county council takeover."
On the streets of Truro yesterday, the people of Cornwall remained unimpressed with the adaptations made to the design.
Sheila Pascoe, from Truro, said: "It's like moving the deckchairs on the Titanic. That doesn't look like the cross of St Piran to me. What was wrong with the old one?
"If you ask me it's a waste of money that could be far better spent elsewhere."
David Tonkin, from Truro, said: "I can't see any difference in this latest design. What's the matter with the miner and the fisherman? There has to be more important things to spend money on than a logo."
Writing on the comment and discussion website www.Cornwall24.co.uk Bardh said: "Looks to me like the emblem of a cattle breed society from somewhere in the Balkans. Is somebody trying to tell us something?"
It was initially feared that adopting the new logo on all council property could cost £500,000 but the implementation executive decided only to go ahead with changes to main council sites used by the public, customer service staff and library vans, costing £65,000.
The new logo will be introduced elsewhere as and when uniforms, badges and vehicles are replaced.
The logo was designed in-house and chosen from more than 30 entries and, according to the new authority, is intended to represent a "dynamic new corporate identity".
Davinia Grist, spokesman for One Cornwall, said: "The corporate identity that was originally presented was a draft version. It was always the intention of the designers to do further work on the design.
"The designers have tweaked the design to highlight the St Piran's flag – it was part of the draft design, however it wasn't clear."
Ms Grist said that in matters of design it was never possible to please everybody and said she had received comments such as: "The new unitary logo is very good, it's modern, contemporary, a breath of fresh air, fit for Cornwall in the 21st century."
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I don't know about everybody...somebody might be a start
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Dha weles arta nipper!
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Our Westcountry correspondent informs us that many Cornish folk are upset over the choice of a new county authority logo - describing the new design as “Islamic looking”. The new logo for Cornwall’s “super council” follows the creation of the new One Cornwall authority, which will come into force next April and replace the existing district and county councils. Not only have the Cornish miner and fisherman been disposed of, as the EU has done for real of course, but so has the only other representation of a living creature - the chough - coincidentally(?) as required by Islamic theology.
And, if the decision to scrap the old design is anything to go by, then Cornish people aren’t likely to be consulted on anything of substance by this new EU imposed collaborationist body in future either!
Ironically, the new design was unveiled in Truro, just a few miles from the disused chapel said to be awaiting conversion for Islamic purposes and suffering “racist” daubing attacks!
Although we clearly have no idea what the motif’s designer had in mind in creating this logo we, however, do agree that the final product does appear to “bear some kin” to the coat-of-arms of the Islamic State of Iran!
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Bullshit !
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Doomed Daft Dead Duck Ass Doodle!
Only 'fit' for a duck's ass.
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Bizarre
BNP article here
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....said the Council.
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Off to Dehwelans tomorrow, if anyone else is going up.
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6.Sep 2008 - 21:58
Top stuff Pengelly
How did it go? How did Pipes get on?
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6.Sep 2008 - 22:13
He had a special blue flashing light fitted on his new Bard hat.
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Never saw that coming years ago, while sharing a roll up at 4am in the drizzle with his dog pissing on my boot!
Nice one Tony.
Incidentally, the 2002 population figures for Cornwall were 506,100.
..so a facebook group menbership of around 2000 AGAINST the new logo means, perhaps, that 504,100 Cornish people are in favour of it?????
Graham.We live in interesting times.
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Therefore the current driving force of public opinion is againt the logo. But would the authorities consult the public on it?
NO WAY.
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There's a wealth of imagination and creativity here, and there would probably have been hundreds of submissions at no cost.
..Then the choice could have been by public vote.
Some people would still have been grumpy, but at least we could say "Cornwall decided"...but I suppose their success in ignoring public opinion over whether we should have a Unitary Authority, and the success in ignoring how many councillors the people prefer, an element in "County Hall" were carried away with the euphoria of their successes and and just decided to carry on their sweet autocratic way.
I would like to think that, when the authorities DO deign to have an election in Cornwall, that the electorate 'teach them a lesson', but sadly I suspect that all transgressions will be forgotten, and the same people will vote as they usually do, and return the usual suspects to their seats in the chamber.
We live in interesting times.