Topic:	WMN reviews book by 'amateur historian'.
sentinel Posts: 835 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 10:38	The WMN has today reviewed Angarracks latest book. Simon Parker said that the 'amateur historians' latest book was 'so dense with information' that it was 'no easy read'. Whilst I agree that Angarrack does not appear to have any formal training, and does not make a living from his efforts, his attempts at exposing the antics of University of Exeter trained 'experts' and profession historians can hardly be construed as being amateur. Angarrack is described as being 'obsessed and consumed' by the subject matter. In other words, he is 'obsessed and consumed' by the prospect of getting the authorities to obey the law. Should such a condition be frowned upon? It seems that the review, which mainly consists of direct quotes from the book, has been written by someone who clearly has not had the time, or inclination, to read it. The WMN 2002 review of his last book described Angarrack as being a 'Cornish historian, author and activist'; an 'experienced chronicler' who 'challenged the academic world' - but there is now a new editor in charge of the paper. So is the WMN's attitude influenced by the authors latest revelations about UKIP/WMN collusion in the run up to the last EU elections, or are there other forces at work ? edited by: sentinel, Aug 26, 2008 - 09:38 AM
Hunlef Posts: 2092 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 12:42	QuoteSo is the WMN's attitude influenced by the authors latest revelations about UKIP/WMN collusion in the run up to the last EU elections, or are there other forces at work ? Both!! 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
Shaz Posts: 1718 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 13:45	The article is Here Comments are open but don't seem to be showing up yet
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 13:53	Sorry, but that is a fairly positive review are some posters here hyper-sensitive?
sentinel Posts: 835 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 14:30	Not hyper sensitive - apparently just "consumed and obbsessed". Others have passions and interests, but Angarrack is "consumed and obsessed"! The same paper carries a review of a book written by former Grand Bard Rod Lyon on the history of the Gorseth. The former electrician is not described as an 'amateur historian', nor is he portrayed as being "consumed and obsessed" by his subject matter. If the WMN think the subjects Angarrack discusses ought to be made more accessible to the Cornish - it should, for instance, have published details of last years High Court hearings. Funny how the paper received all the same press releases others got, but never printed a word on the matter.
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 14:52	Perhaps WMN realises that its principle readership are the retired low rank civil servants that populate cornwall in their retirement and is giving its market what they want? If there was a demand for cornish nationalist media it would be provided, C24 being the nearest thing to it indicates the level of demand. And C24 content indicates that most cornish activists are most interested in bitching about language forms, which ironically is something that cornish people living in the utopia of a free cornish republic would still not give a toss about (see RoI for an example).
marhak Posts: 4470 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 15:01	Strange, isn't it? John is publicly put down as an "amateur" historian, but I haven't as yet. I do not have a University education. I have no letters after my name. Instead, I studied - with wonderful tutoring from sorely-missed people like the late Peter Pool and Vivien Russell - and am recognised as an authority on early Cornish history and archaeology (particularly West Cornwall). Well, we'll see how long that lasts. "English" Heritage wanted me replaced as Conservation Officer at Penwith District Council because: a) I publicly stood up against their policies regarding Cornish sites and monuments and their turning of a blind eye against the damage/destruction of ancient sites (especially if the perpetrator was a member of the Country Landowners Association); and b) I knew far more than they did because I had intensively studied and recorded it all from the age of 8. (Oh, and c], I was fiercely Cornish in those public views). As you know, they engineered the destruction of my 24-year career and sucessfully blacklisted me from holding any professional position related to Cornish heritage (you employ him and we'll curtail all funding). In recent years, I have become increasingly political in my public statements - not yet to John's degree, but getting close. See the next edition of "Cornish World" in an article to be entitled "Under Siege", which I'm writing at the moment. edited by: marhak, Aug 26, 2008 - 02:04 PM
marhak Posts: 4470 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 15:06	Parker also caused a lot of trouble about the SWF of Cornish before the AHG meetings got under way by publishing several articles by anti-SWF agitators.
sentinel Posts: 835 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 15:08	So you agree that the paper exists not merely to publish news in an unbiased manner, but exists to give retired civil servants what they want - and what these people want is for the paper to slyly hold up in a negative light people who wish to ensure government obeys the law? Well, at least that answers my question.
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 15:17	sentinelSo you agree that the paper exists not merely to publish news in an unbiased manner Only a naive idiot would expect a commercial entity to be unbiased, especially in respect of profit and pleasing the proprietor. Do you expect the BBC not to represent the views of londoncentric middle england, when this is the class and geographic referenec of the majority of its staff? It will be interesting to see if the bbc gets more engerlund thuggish when its beginns relocating to Manchester. I would anticipate that the SW, cornwall, east midlands and wales will no longer appear on the bbc when this occurs. edited by: IrishJack, Aug 26, 2008 - 03:17 PM But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions, backbiting and esoteric language drivel The Bureaucracy needs to expand to meet the needs of the Bureaucracy [url]http://www.rossocarrollkelly.ie/
sentinel Posts: 835 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 16:44	IJ, am am glad you agree with my underlying premise that the WMN approach to Angarracks book results from bias. I take it you will now withdraw your earlier suggestion that people were being 'hyper-sensitive' in highlighting, and criticising, that approach?
GrahamHart Posts: 1122 Posted: 26.Aug 2008 - 17:55	Phrases like "amateur" historian" regarding Angarrack's work is nothing short of hugely insulting, but I'm not surprised after my recent run in with him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My correspondence with Parker re the Council Logo: Simon - I have always thought of you as someone on " our side". However, I could not believe your comments on the logo and consider your comments way out of touch with the Cornish public. Everyone I speak to are up in arms about this cultural genocide , yet you pass it off as saying we'll get used to it and it's not that important. I sometimes wonder if any journalist gives a toss about our oppression. Regards - Graham. Graham, I don't know what you're referring to. I wasn't aware I'd said anything. But I do take great offence from the insinuations you make. I have spent my life fighting for Cornwall's self-determination and distinctiveness - to which anyone in the Cornish movement and Gorsedh Kernow who knows me or knows my work will testify. To have you question my intentions is both insulting and inaccurate. Many, many of us are working hard for Cornwall. This kind of in-fighting isn't helpful. Simon Simon - This is the piece that I was referring to: But the WMN's Living Cornwall Editor, Simon Parker, disagreed, saying: "I'm sure there will be as many people out there who like the new logo as those who don't. "It is probably opposition to the unitary authority itself which is driving opposition to the new logo - rather than the actual design - and led mainly by those councillors who feel they might soon find themselves out of a job. "At least it's not costing taxpayers anything, unlike the BBC's recent rebranding exercise, and at least it's not a lash-up like the 2012 Olympics logo. "And regardless of the arguments for or against the new authority, the fact is that come next April it will be a reality and all of us in Cornwall will have to learn to live with it. I personally feel the new logo, with its clear references to the black and gold of Kernow and black and white cross of St Piran, is a good way of marrying Cornwall's past with its future. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is no one in the press when push comes to shove. He's a Gorseth man. Case closed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where there's a Negative - there's always a Positive. You just have to find it. Love your enemy - It really does piss them off.
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 09:16	sentinelIJ, am am glad you agree with my underlying premise that the WMN approach to Angarracks book results from bias. I take it you will now withdraw your earlier suggestion that people were being 'hyper-sensitive' in highlighting, and criticising, that approach? No, hypersensitivity seems to be right, just because media bias exists doesn't mean that the review wasn't generally positive and that negative comments on it are nitpicking pendentry.
sentinel Posts: 835 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 09:19	Lets get this right. You are saying that it is being hyper-sensitive to question what you have described as being media bias. At least that is now clear.
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 10:20	No, I'm saying that it is hypersensitive for peope to pick on a little phraseology, which is technically correct, within an article that is largely positive, and hold it up as a clear bias against JA and cornish activism. Wood and trees, nit picking, not see in the round, helicopter view, etc, etc.
sentinel Posts: 835 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 10:41	Now whose nit-picking!
Hunlef Posts: 2092 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 10:47	OK, Irishjack, in your view it's perfectly acceptable for one who is solely concerned for the correct application of the law and who stands to gain nothing personally from the process, to be termed 'obsessive and consumed'? Indeed, you appear to heartily endorse all that is wrong with the Brit media and press! 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 11:02	HunlefOK, Irishjack, in your view it's perfectly acceptable for one who is solely concerned for the correct application of the law and who stands to gain nothing personally from the process, to be termed 'obsessive and consumed'? Indeed, you appear to heartily endorse all that is wrong with the Brit media and press! Yes, if they are, which in this case JA is, but you are interpreting this as meaning a bad thing, other readers who are not searching for the slightest slur might see it that way. The problems with the british press are the same as those world wide, excepting that there is less restriction on reporting in the UK and that there is little state interference. New organisation report news and in a manner that will attract and retain customers and reflect their owners views, twas ever thus. The Telegraph, Guradian, Sun and Star, etc, etc, exist because of customer demand for a particular, otherwise there would just be a daily fact sheet (controlled by the government?).
Hunlef Posts: 2092 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 11:18	IrishJackThe problems with the british press are the same as those world wide, excepting that there is less restriction on reporting in the UK and that there is little state interference. And where did you get this from? Ahh, yes, the British press itself! And you have the neck to accuse others of naivity! QuoteThe Telegraph, Guradian, Sun and Star, etc, etc, exist because of customer demand for a particular, otherwise there would just be a daily fact sheet (controlled by the government?). From this pearl of wisdom, I now can see why, when Prince Wills went to South America recently, every British broadsheet and every British tabloid carried a cringingly sycophantic, identical front page story about 'Wills' being an ordinary bloke who had to clean his own toilet out in the camp in which he was staying. Only the Guardian chose to carry a very similar story on page 2. The story was headlined repeatedly on every conventional UK TV station. Thanks to Irishjack, I now realise that this was because of the overwhelming public demand for coverage of Krap like this!! Thank God we have intelligent people like irishJack fighting for Cornwall to keep us on the straight and narrow! edited by: Hunlef, Aug 27, 2008 - 10:48 AM 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 11:34	HunlefThanks to Irishjack, I now realise that this was because of the overwhelming public demand for coverage of Krap like this!! Good, perhaps you will accept that you live in a free market where the market provides what the people want, celebrity focussed sh1te, and that cornish issues (like issues for the rest of the UK excepting SE, NW, W Midlands and lowland Scotland) are of no interest to the majority of consumers who buy these media products. The lack of interest is not a conspiracy but simply lack of interest. Perhaps the cornish movement should ask what they can do to generate media interest. The dark business of PR and marketing (as not practiced by MK for example). edited by: IrishJack, Aug 27, 2008 - 11:35 AM But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions, backbiting and esoteric language drivel The Bureaucracy needs to expand to meet the needs of the Bureaucracy [url]http://www.rossocarrollkelly.ie/
marhak Posts: 4470 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 11:54	"The Cornishman" has never featured Cornish. When I wanted to place an advert, in Cornish, they insisted that I supply an English translation and got stroppy when I suggested that their 100% English content requires a Cornish translation, as its circulation is purely on Cornish (and Scillonian) soil. So I suggested that they rename the paper "The Englishman".
Hunlef Posts: 2092 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 11:54	IrishJackGood, perhaps you will accept that you live in a free market where the market provides what the people want, celebrity focussed sh1te, and that cornish issues (like issues for the rest of the UK excepting SE, NW, W Midlands and lowland Scotland) are of no interest to the majority of consumers who buy these media products. You are SOOOOO naive, my dear little IrishJack if you believe this to be the case in totality! Your sig line gives you away - chucky ar lah is long out of use. the last time 'twas used was by the Brit security services trying to endear themselves to bona fide republicans. Are you one of them? 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 12:04	Sorry are you saying that the illuminati are controlling the media to suppress the widespread interest in cornish issues? With regard to constitutional court cases there is no public interest in this even if it is of public importance. I take it my naivity is due to my lack of belief in the anti-cornish conspiracy? Yes hunlef I'm a GCHQ interloper (oh no now I've blown my cover)
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 12:10	Perhaps the Manchurian Candidate is based in fact? Perhaps the CLB is sponsored by MI5 to undermine the cornish movement through linguistic disharmony (if so, this has been a throughly succesful tactic and probably put the cornish movement of the rails, perhaps terminally, so much wasted time and effort)
Hunlef Posts: 2092 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 12:12	IrishJackPerhaps the CLB is sponsored by MI5 to undermine the cornish movement through linguistic disharmony (if so, this has been a throughly succesful tactic and probably put the cornish movement of the rails, perhaps terminally, so much wasted time and effort) There are those who take this view. 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
IrishJack Posts: 630 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 12:20	Yes, me and the other lads at chicksands, gravy, ILH, etc, (make your own list) really love this site. We use it as an educational tool on how small pseudo-political groupings can cripple themselves through petty internal bickering (often not needing any kind of external push) and completely take their eye of the big picture. But of course hunlef, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. A language doesn't win you independence and you can't generate press coverage without engaging with the press. edited by: IrishJack, Aug 27, 2008 - 12:21 PM But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions, backbiting and esoteric language drivel The Bureaucracy needs to expand to meet the needs of the Bureaucracy [url]http://www.rossocarrollkelly.ie/
Hunlef Posts: 2092 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 12:26	IrishJackSorry are you saying that the illuminati are controlling the media to suppress the widespread interest in cornish issues? You mentioned the Illuminati, not me. Nevertheless, there is widespread control of the media in the UK. The BBC is a state-funded organ of government. The press is owned by large media empires, the central characters of which are Establishment figures. Editors are encouraged to tow the establishment line and constantly blast royalist propaganda at the throats of the (gullible) British public. Competition for senior editorial posts is fierce and, should a free-thinking assistant editor stepover the line, his career prospects will vanish like scotch mist. I know this to be a fact, as I have close family involvement in one daily newspaper. Since the Establisment are duty bound to support its leading figures, any story that might compromise the 'rights, property and profits' of the heir to the throne will receive scant coverage in the dailies or other media. That is not conspiracy, that is the reality. You had better wake up and get a grip on it, my friend. QuoteIn regard to constitutional court cases there is no public interest in this even if it is of public importance. Constitutional court cases by their very nature always have a public interest. Whether that interest is reflected in the general public is a matter for the newspapers and media which, in serious Cornish cases, ignore it, thus sustaining and prolonging public ignorance of such matters. QuoteI take it my naivity is due to my lack of belief in the anti-cornish conspiracy? You raise the issue of a conspiracy, not me, not anyone else. Perhaps, you are just plain stupid? 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
Hunlef Posts: 2092 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 12:37	IrishJackYes, me and the other lads at chicksands, gravy, ILH, etc, (make your own list) really love this site. We use it as an educational tool on how small pseudo-political groupings can cripple themselves through petty internal bickering (often not needing any kind of external push) and completely take their eye of the big picture. Just like you appear to have done yourself in regard to the British 'free' press and media that actively restricts public knowledge of such things as constitutional law, the Duchy of Cornwall and Human Rights, whilst at the same time advocating royalism, isolationism and suspicion of foreigners! QuoteBut of course hunlef, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Have I ever expressed anything that is indicative of paranoia? Let me remind you that I always base my assertions on factual eveidence and substantiated references to domestic law and international principles and treaties. That does not make me paranoid. The paranoia to which you refer appears to be an invention of your own mind. 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
goky Posts: 1828 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 13:25	Quoteand suspicion of foreigners! this sums Honey Luv and Kraig Flintstone up. The blog The Great Goky Blog
Hunlef Posts: 2092 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 13:33	goky Quoteand suspicion of foreigners! this sums Honey Luv and Kraig Flintstone up. We have every good reason to be suspicious of meddling, divisive, interfering and peculiarly narcissic foreigners like yourself. Go fiddle with something else if that is possible to do with your mouth full. 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
sentinel Posts: 835 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 15:28	And IJ calls for harmony and unity
marhak Posts: 4470 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 23:15	They (i.e."English" Heritage) WERE out to get me. And they did. And I didn't even have to be paranoid about it.
marhak Posts: 4470 Posted: 27.Aug 2008 - 23:20	To return to the original theme of this thread, Simon Parker (who is a second-rate newspaper hack and hardly an authority on Cornish history) calls John Angarrack an "amateur historian" in a way that is unmistakeably designed to be deprecating. I've read all three of John's books and the only issue with them that I can find is where he says that Dungarth fought against the West Saxons. In fact, there was a period of peace, perhaps an uneasy truce, during his reign as Cornish king, with no record of any conflict. He even seems to have allowed Alfred to enter Cornish territory for a hunting trip. If that's the only real fault I can find, then John hardly deserves to be talked down by the likes of Parker. edited by: marhak, Aug 27, 2008 - 10:23 PM
GrahamHart Posts: 1122 Posted: 28.Aug 2008 - 17:23	I can see no reference that Simon Parker wrote the article Craig. Are you sure it was he ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where there's a Negative - there's always a Positive. You just have to find it. Love your enemy - It really does piss them off.
marhak Posts: 4470 Posted: 28.Aug 2008 - 18:45	Not apart from Sentinel's original post, Graham. I never actually saw the offending article and can only go on what is said here.
gravydave Posts: 480 Posted: 29.Aug 2008 - 13:37	QuoteI can see no reference that Simon Parker wrote the article sentinel how did you come to the conclusions that Simon Parker wrote the article? GD Onan hag oll NEW CORNISH
TGG Posts: 1119 Posted: 29.Aug 2008 - 17:16	I see that there is a comment in response to the Simon Parker article. TGG For The (Real)Reason Why! STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
sentinel Posts: 835 Posted: 29.Aug 2008 - 19:30	Well spotted TGG. Interesting comments. I see Philips but a link up. Perhaps another contributor would put a D of C.eu link up.
Shaz Posts: 1718 Posted: 29.Aug 2008 - 19:37	QuotePerhaps another contributor would put a D of C.eu link up. My comment contained the link but it didn't get approved maybe someone else could try.
TeamKernow online Posts: 2319 Posted: 29.Aug 2008 - 21:13	Not ideal but better than a slap in the face with a surplus to quota haddock: CB Squeezes One Through A Gap In The NM/WMN/TIC(ho!ho!)Anglo-Imperialist Stockade! PS 1. Going by previous NM/WMN/TIC(ho!ho!)Anglo-Imperialist Censorship Practices that post may be shortlived. PS 2 Complete links are generally filtered/censored at NM/WMN/TIC(ho!ho!). edited by: TeamKernow, Aug 30, 2008 - 03:07 PM
TGG Posts: 1119 Posted: 29.Aug 2008 - 21:56	What a confusing set-up? I was looking in the WMN Living Cornwall section, which contains different feedback/comment to the "thisis..." site(s)? TGG For The (Real)Reason Why! edited by: TGG, Aug 29, 2008 - 10:00 PM STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
TeamKernow online Posts: 2319 Posted: 29.Aug 2008 - 23:35	It is indeed chaotic,TGG. Try doing an internal NM/WMN/TIC(ho!ho!) search for something you kernow exists in there somewhere. You may find it cannot be found! Try Googling something you kernow has been in there somewhere - the link Google offers up will take you to today's NM/WMN/TIC(ho!ho!) home page!
Fulub-le-Breton Posts: 4667 Posted: 30.Aug 2008 - 10:00	sentinelWell spotted TGG. Interesting comments. I see Philips but a link up. Perhaps another contributor would put a D of C.eu link up. If it is any consolation my link leads to most Cornish orgs including the DCHA website and the JA book shop. The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection
TeamKernow online Posts: 2319 Posted: 30.Aug 2008 - 16:01	Quick link to The John Angarrack Bookshop required reading list for all Wasteminster Prime Ministers, Government Ministers, MPs, civil servants, 'Diversity' D&C Constables, Judges, Magistrates, educationalists and schools and colleges culture, history, geography and technological innovation accuracy curriculum designers in the UK: HERE 'Breaking The Chains' SOLD OUT !?! Perhaps Commuting Chief Constable Stephen Otter could have a rummage to provide some interim supplies while a reprint is arranged... edited by: TeamKernow, Aug 30, 2008 - 04:36 PM