Topic: The Six Nations
AndyQ

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Posted:
30.Jan 2006 - 21:44

Once again, the Six Nations are upon us and i shall be cheering on our Celtic cousins from Cymru!
Joe

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Posted:
30.Jan 2006 - 21:50

I want England to win the World Cup but I am a committed Cornish nationalist.

Is there a helpline I can subscribe to?
Stonefly
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Posted:
30.Jan 2006 - 21:51

If you find one, pass on the number, would you? icon_lol
AndyQ

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Posted:
30.Jan 2006 - 21:56

It's so easy to support England as this is what our brains have been conditioned to do throughout our lives. Fight it and look at the truth, support our Celtic cousins in Cymru and lose the hold of the English over you!!
Stonefly
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Posted:
30.Jan 2006 - 21:59

Nothing to do with free will then, Andy?
Joe

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Posted:
30.Jan 2006 - 22:00

None of our Celtic cousins are in the World Cup. England have a chance of winning, though.
Stonefly
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Posted:
30.Jan 2006 - 22:02

Hang on Joe....are you referring to that spherical-ball nonsense?
CJenkin

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31.Jan 2006 - 11:36

Quite agree AndyQ - I've been supporting Cymru since I was a tacker and there's been some hard and long years in between, but there's no need for Cornish to support our neighbours across the Water, there's a whole world of small nations to support.

Despite Rugby being the one and only game - when the spherical ball competitions come up the best bit is supporting another small nation.
England is the fourth biggest football country in Europe so it has all the support it needs.

Unlike Joe I'm fairly confident that England has no chance of winning the world cup. In the last European championship it was knocked out before the semi-final stage and the combined population of the four countries left was less than Englands.

In football terms - size doesn't count for everything. Didn't they lose to Northern Ireland 1-0 recently?
fancyabrew

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31.Jan 2006 - 11:50

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England is the fourth biggest football country in Europe so it has all the support it needs


eh?
ruckinred

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Posted:
31.Jan 2006 - 19:48

I shall be at Murrayfield on Sunday and cheering for FRANCE.
Stonefly
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Posted:
31.Jan 2006 - 19:59

Wash your mouth out with soap and water, ruckin! :shock:
Kernow

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Posted:
1.Feb 2006 - 13:29

What are the chances of Italy taking the title?
CJenkin

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1.Feb 2006 - 14:23

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What are the chances of Italy taking the title?

Slightly better chances than them winning a game!!! icon_lol
Stonefly
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1.Feb 2006 - 15:25

Let me see if I've got this right, CJ...they've a better chance of winning the whole tournament than they have of winning a single game? I think I need a bit of a lie down...
ruckinred

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Posted:
1.Feb 2006 - 16:15

I'd rather wash it out with the "water of life" in Scotland stonefly

Allez les bleus
troll

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Posted:
1.Feb 2006 - 18:09

I'd cheer for France too. My rugby pecking order:

*Cornwall
*England
*France
*Ireland
*Any other Northern hemisphere team
*Any one else
*Australia
AndyQ

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1.Feb 2006 - 19:00

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Nothing to do with free will then, Andy?



Stonefly, you know exactly what i mean! icon_rolleyes :mrgreen:
Fulub-le-Breton
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1.Feb 2006 - 19:23

Being half Irish; i will play the Joker.
Kernow

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Posted:
2.Feb 2006 - 09:51

Nothing changes then..
xxxxxx

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Posted:
3.Feb 2006 - 05:39

Good to see so many Wales supporters here. icon_biggrin
AndyQ

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Posted:
3.Feb 2006 - 18:20

There wouldn't be that many if Kernow was in the 7 nations Strop! :wink:
xxxxxx

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Posted:
4.Feb 2006 - 02:35

True, but that would just give me another reason to cheer about when we slaughtered you! icon_biggrin
Ian

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4.Feb 2006 - 12:27

Yes here's another that will be shouting in support of Cymru/Kembry/Wales this afternoon (despite stroppy being a "cymro"). I'll be cheering for France when they play England and I'll be cheering on Italy when they play either of those two teams.

Just goes to emphasise that BBC journalist and presenters in Cornwall should drop the use of "we" (i.e. suggesting they are taking for granted everyone listening is an England supporter like them). In particular BBC Radio Cornwall staff should remember the "British" part of their organisations name when discussing any kind of UK sporting event. They shouldn't assume that many Cornish people don't support other British teams. I know this has been said by others on numerous occasions, but there's no harm in regularly reminding them.
AndyQ

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4.Feb 2006 - 13:11

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True, but that would just give me another reason to cheer about when we slaughtered you!


You shouldn't be so smug, that would be a good match.
AndyQ

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Posted:
4.Feb 2006 - 14:20

Half time and the score lies at Ireland 10 - 10 Italy. What a match, Italy deserves to be in the lead as they have been playing superbly. Their defence is very strong as are the forwards and the backs are playing a good flowing game.

All in all, Ireland are finding it very difficult to break through the Italian defence. The Italians spent the first 20 minutes of the game camped in the Irish half and were very difficult to have their defence broken, Ireland have really got a game on here.
Kernow

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 09:58

To stroppygit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Who slaughtered who???
Joe

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 10:53

I'm Cornish but I don't support Wales.

I like St Ives.
kenwyn
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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 11:33

Sorry but I think you are wrong to say we don't support England against Wales. Where I watched the match yesterday along with about 50 others, mostly Cornish, there were only two supporting Wales.
fancyabrew

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5.Feb 2006 - 16:32

Argee Kenwyn. I can't think of any one of my mates who are Cornish that wouldn't support England. My dad and granddad who were both Cornish to the core and passionately supported England at any sport as do I. The likes of Ian CJ and AndyQ are in a very small minority.
porthia1947

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 16:55

My family were Cornish to the core (whatever it means) and they supported England, but I've given them the facts not the myths and they're slowly changing. They were brought up under an education system that gave them a false or at least an anglocentric view of their history. It don't mean anything fancybrew if you're not given the facts and allowed to then choose what you want to be.


WELL DONE SCOTLAND - NOW TROUNCE ENGLAND AT MURRAYFIELD PLEASE!!!!

My pecking order
Cornwall
Ireland, Scotland Wales (equal)
Australia
South Africa
New Zealand
Italy
France
England
Kattell

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 17:14

Absolutely porthia, I agree with you my family still don't really understand but my pecking order is:

Cornwall
Any other Celtic nation
Anyone else
Still anyone else
England
kenwyn
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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 18:07

Porthia and Kattel,
How sad that you are so embittered for some reason to choose any other nation over England. When you think of the Cornishmen who give their all in the England shirt, Vickery, Woodman, Voyce, Barclay et al. I am proud to be Cornish but, for reasons of my own, I had to work and live in England for some time before returning to my beloved Cornwall and I can assure you the English people are not ogres and I enjoyed my stay among them. If Cornwall were in the6N I would support them before England but not otherwise, I will cheer the Cornish players who play for England before any other nation.
Kattell

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 18:21

Hi Kenwynn
I'm not sad or embittered FYI and I don't think that all English people are ogres (where did you get that idea from?) I choose not to support them and to support any other nation over them because I find them (sports wise) arrogant, aggressive and overbearing. If I have to endure another summer of English flags being waved at me I think I might scream. England is not my nation so therefore I can choose to support anyone else thanks.
kenwyn
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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 18:34

Who waves English flags at you in Cornwall Kattell? As I said I support Cornwall above all others but as we don't have a team in the 6N I will support England because of the Cornishmen who play for them.

How many Cornishmen play for any other nation? I still think it sad that you would support the likes of South Africa or Australia over England. And by the way it's not the average English supporter who is arrogant it's the media. Strangely enough if Cornwall were represented as a nation in any sport against anyone other than England that same media would be supporting Cornwall. Why is it so hard for you to reciprocate??
Kattell

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 18:49

QuoteWho waves English flags at you in Cornwall Kattell?


It feels like it's everyone! On cars, in shops, hanging out of bedroom windows it's overwhelming.....I can't believe you haven't noticed!

QuoteAnd by the way it's not the average English supporter who is arrogant it's the media.


It's mostly the (English run) media of course, who are dreadfully biased and I don't believe they would support Kernow if circumstances were different. Maybe the average England supporter who is actually Cornish isn't arrogant but the average English England supporter appears to be...Have you seen the anti Cornish bile on the BBC messageboard?

I agree we should support our players who are in other teams as they have no choice but I'm afraid I can't bring myself to do that if the team is England.
kenwyn
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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 19:00

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree Kattell. Actually I have not seen that many English flags in deepest Penwith, maybe they are further up near the Tamar?

I too read and occasionally post on the BBC English rugby message board and have not, in all honestly, seen any anti Cornish posts as most of the posts on there are either GP or International based, ND1 and below rugby gets barely a mention.
Ian

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 20:55

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I choose not to support them and to support any other nation over them because I find them (sports wise) arrogant, aggressive and overbearing.


Well said Kattell!!


Quote Kenwyn
Quote......Strangely enough if Cornwall were represented as a nation in any sport against anyone other than England that same media would be supporting Cornwall. Why is it so hard for you to reciprocate??"


and Kenwyn if you don't know the answer to that (and the clues are dotted throughout this forum) I don't think running through it all again is going to be worthwhile. We'll just have to agree to disagree as you said. Being Cornish and thinking you're English is a bit like thinking you can only eat fish on a Friday or thinking you have to add salt to boil your spuds properly. More than likely you believe it because that's what you've been told is true from birth and you've never thought of questioning it. (You can tell from this I like my food - icon_smile )
kenwyn
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5.Feb 2006 - 21:29

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Being Cornish and thinking you're English.

Ian don't be so patonisingly insulting! I know what I am and I'm proud of it but being so does not make me a one eyed Celt who dislikes the English and everything about them. I'll leave that to the people with closed minds!!
Genesik

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 21:41

You can only assume that a Cornish person who would support England over Cymru has little or no knowledge of the history of these three nations. Would these Cornish England supporters expect a Tibetan to support China? ( before anyone takes issue with this comparison, the fact is that the two situations have remarkable similarities). Also, as Kattell said, I am not English, England is not my nation and I can support anyone I choose over them.
Kernow
Cymru
Scotland Ireland
Australia
Not that bothered after that.
Genesik

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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 21:50

Obviously,when I say not bothered, I mean not bothered as long as it's not England.
Stonefly
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Posted:
5.Feb 2006 - 21:51

I'm with kenwyn on this one.
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:24

That's your choice Stonefly and all other Sawsnek supporters, but if Kernow were in the 7 nations, do you think the Sawsnek would support us when we played the others.
Stonefly
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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:35

IF they were, I'd support them...and if my auntie had b*ll*cks she'd be my uncle icon_lol
(Still celebrating France losing at Murrayfield!)
AndyQ

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6.Feb 2006 - 18:41

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IF they were, I'd support them...and if my auntie had b*ll*cks she'd be my uncle


To me, that statement says you are not Kernewek which i thought you were, but Sawsnek as my question was,
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if Kernow were in the 7 nations, do you think the Sawsnek would support us when we played the others.
HarvsPenzance

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:41

Stonefly:
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I'm with kenwyn on this one.

So am I


AndyQ:
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but if Kernow were in the 7 nations, do you think the Sawsnek would support us when we played the others.


Yes I believe they would, firstly in my experience Cornish Rugby is held in high esteem throughout the rugby world and secondly as the English think we're English too. They'd probably see us as far preferable to the French.

They'd doubtless think of us as England 'B' or something, cheeky sods.
Stonefly
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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:45

My response was getting at the fact that it's purely academic Andy - Cornwall aren't in the tournament, & that's that. How that makes me 'Sawsnek', I fail to see icon_biggrin
AndyQ

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6.Feb 2006 - 18:46

Harvs, have you been out of Kernow before? All Sawsnek i have met who have never lived in Kernow (and some who have) look at us as French (in a joking way of course) which is really funny seeing as London is more near the French coast than the Lizard is!!

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Cornish Rugby is held in high esteem throughout the rugby world and secondly as the English think we're English too. They'd probably see us as far preferable to the French


Yes it is, but i think the Sawsnek would still support the others over us as they do not believe we are a nation but a county of England and if we were a competing nation in the 7 nations, they'd want us to have our assess whipped every match, because we are "carrot crunching, cider drinking thick yokels!"
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:49

I didn't say you were Sawsnek Stonefly.
HarvsPenzance

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6.Feb 2006 - 18:51

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Harvs, have you been out of Kernow before


Yes Andy, i've played rugby while at Plymouth University and for OPMs around Devon and Somerset. Also drinking with a rugby crowd around Twickenham. That's my experience of rugby out of Cornwall.
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:52

In that case Harvs, you should understand what i am saying, if not, then the crowd you hung around with were the pleasant exception. icon_lol
Stonefly
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6.Feb 2006 - 18:53

QuoteTo me, that statement says you are not Kernewek which i thought you were, but Sawsnek


You certainly didn't seem to be saying I'm Albanian, Andy icon_biggrin
HarvsPenzance

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:55

You may be right, Andy. Or perhaps it was the fact that i'm 6ft 7 and 17 stone with a nasty temper, kept them from taking the pi55?
icon_wink
AndyQ

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6.Feb 2006 - 18:56

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To me, that STATEMENT says you are not Kernewek which i thought you were, but Sawsnek


As you can see, i never said you were, i said that's what the STATEMENT seemed to be saying. icon_biggrin
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:57

Like it Harvs, like it !! :mrgreen:
Stonefly
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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 18:58

Ooooh, semantics! I love 'em icon_smile OK, I never said you said I was Sawsnek, did I? 8)
AndyQ

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6.Feb 2006 - 19:01

No you didn't, so why bring it up? Balls in your court!! :wink: icon_lol
Stonefly
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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:02

You started it! :P
HarvsPenzance

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:04

Will you two stop squabbling! We should be fighting together against the common enemy. The Judean Peoples Front!

Oh no, I meant to say ' The FRENCH'
icon_biggrin
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:04

Did not!! :mrgreen:
Stonefly
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6.Feb 2006 - 19:05

The French? Aren't they the ones with the "crack running-away squad"? icon_lol
Stonefly
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6.Feb 2006 - 19:06

Did too!
AndyQ

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6.Feb 2006 - 19:09

That's it i'm not playing any more!!
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:11

How about the Australians!!! Now every bugger wants to beat them and rub their noses in it!!
Stonefly
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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:12

Nothing new there icon_biggrin
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:15

Ah, now we have an agreement going. icon_lol
Stonefly
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6.Feb 2006 - 19:16

No we don't! icon_biggrin icon_biggrin
Stonefly
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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:16

Sorry, is this the 5-minute argument or the full half-hour?
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:18

I'm sorry, is this the five minute arguement or the half hour arguement? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:18

Great minds think alike!!
Stonefly
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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:20

But only fools think the same :mrgreen:
AndyQ

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6.Feb 2006 - 19:21

Got that right!! :mrgreen:
AndyQ

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:26

Talking of fools, if you want a laugh at my expense, check out this posting i made to the TIC site.

Alban V Pow Frynk

This is going to be a walk in the park for the French, i'm afraid our Celtic cousins from up north have not a cats chance in hell. Long gone are the days of the David Soul era and the masses singing Flower of Scotland with sheer pride and knowledge that they were a force to contend with. No, i'm going to say it's the wooden spoon for poor old Scotland this year, as for France, well they're going to to take the Six Nations title now.

D'OH!!!
HarvsPenzance

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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:30

You shure told them there, Mr Nostradamus!

I think it was the case that the French were expecting a stroll in the park too, took Scotland for granted and ended up getting mugged. I love it!
HarvsPenzance

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6.Feb 2006 - 19:36

I saw David Soul back in November. He's taken up acting you know. Played the title role in 'Jerry Springer, the opera'. His name reminds me somewhat of Scotland's ex captain. He was called David Sole. What a co-hinky-dinky icon_wink
Stonefly
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Posted:
6.Feb 2006 - 19:43

Scotland without a chance? "Don't give up on us, baby!" icon_biggrin
morgarrow
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9.Feb 2006 - 19:20

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This is going to be a walk in the park for the French, i'm afraid our Celtic cousins from up north have not a cats chance in hell.


Keep saying things like that Andy please and old athelstans descendants will have seen their last win this year.
morgarrow
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Posted:
11.Feb 2006 - 17:44

Mama mia! They were doing so well in first half and now I'm thoroughly depressed .... but there's time yet!
Stonefly
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Posted:
11.Feb 2006 - 20:12

The Eyeties put up a hell of a scrap didn't they? Bloody good try too!
porthia1947

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Posted:
25.Feb 2006 - 22:26

....and sent them homeward tae think again! WELL DESERVED SCOTLAND!!
AndyQ

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Posted:
28.Feb 2006 - 17:55

Yes, Pow Sows beaten, well done Alban!!!
FlammNew
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Posted:
13.Mar 2006 - 13:01

And again by teh French! Bit of a white wash there!
CJenkin

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Posted:
20.Mar 2006 - 14:39

And now by the Irish!
AndyQ

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20.Mar 2006 - 18:25

Well i was correct about Pow Frynk winning but wrong about Alban geting the wooden spoon. Anyway, it's good to see that Pow Sows got beaten by two out of three of the Celtic nations. :mrgreen:
Ian

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Posted:
5.Feb 2007 - 10:32

Very little coverage of Phil Vickery's impact in regard to last Saturday's England win against Scotland and I'm not sure why. Hope it's not to be a repeat of Bert Solomon's experiences playing for England. Bert (for those that don't know) was Redruth miner who in the early 1900s scored a winning try for England and then declined to play international rugby again i.e. it's said he couldn't get on with the public schoolboys (ie stuck-up toffs) in the England side. Not sure where J Wilkinson went to school, but the media seems to be going overboard about his impact. Always thought rugby was a team game?
fancyabrew

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Posted:
5.Feb 2007 - 11:04

don't think rugby is as posh as it was
Ian

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Posted:
5.Feb 2007 - 12:35

No, probably a different type of poshness though ie based on celebrity status.
morgarrow
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Posted:
11.Feb 2007 - 23:55

Terrific game between Ireland and Fance at Croke Park (Páirc an Chrócaigh) today.

The site upon which Croke Park now stands was in the 1870's known as the "City and Suburban Racecourse". The GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association / Cumann Lúthchleas Gael) became one of the grounds most frequent users. The GAA purchased the site in 1913 and immediately renamed the ground Croke Park in honour of the association's first patron Archbishop Croke of Cashel.

Over the subsequent 40 years Croke Park was developed and redeveloped in an ad hoc manner as finances allowed. The Railway End, also known as Hill 16 was constructed from the rubble left in Sackville Street (now O'Connell Street) after the 1916 rising. On November 21, 1920 Croke Park was the scene of a massacre by the Auxiliary Division. British police auxiliaries entered the ground, shooting indiscriminately into the crowd killing 13 during a Dublin-Tipperary football match. The dead included 12 spectators and one player, Michael Hogan. The latter, Tipperary's captain, gave his name posthumously to the Hogan stand built four years later in 1924. These shootings, on the day which became known as Bloody Sunday, were a reprisal for the assassination of 12 or 13 British Intelligence officers, known as the Cairo Gang, by Michael Collins' squad earlier that day.

The first Hogan stand was followed by the construction of the Cusack stand (named after one of the original founders of the GAA Michael Cusack) in 1937. The Canal End terrace was constructed in 1949 and was subsequently followed by the construction of the Nally stand (Named after Pat Nally) in 1952. Since these initial buildings, reconstruction and redevelopment of various sections of the ground have taken place.

Following a redevelopment program started in the 1990s, Croke Park (or Croker as it's sometimes called) has a capacity of 82,500, making it the fourth largest stadium in Europe, the largest stadium in the 2007 Six Nations Championship and the largest owned by an amateur organisation outside the United States.











edited by: morgarrow, Feb 12, 2007 - 12:04 AM
Ian

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Posted:
13.Feb 2007 - 12:20

All I want to know is when are we going to get a sporting venue like Croker dedicated to Cornish sport, entertainment and may be.............mass demonstrations calling for a Cornish Assembly? icon_cool icon_wink
TeamKernow
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Posted:
25.Feb 2007 - 20:57

Yes,Ian.

Upgrading the 'Six Nations Championship' to the proper
'Seven Nations Championship' by the inclusion of the Cornish Team is long overdue.








edited by: TeamKernow, Feb 25, 2007 - 10:38 PM