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13.Feb 2006 - 19:51
The Armenian Genocide (also known as the Armenian Holocaust or the Armenian Massacre) is a term which refers to the forced mass evacuation and related deaths of hundreds of thousands or over a million Armenians, during the government of the Young Turks from 1915 to 1917 in the Ottoman Empire. Several facts in connection with the event are a matter of ongoing dispute between parts of the international community and Turkey. Although it is generally agreed that events said to comprise what is termed the Armenian Genocide did occur, the Turkish government rejects that it was genocide, on the alleged basis that the deaths among the Armenians, were not a result of a state-sponsored plan of mass extermination, but from the result of inter-ethnic strife, disease and famine during the turmoil of World War I.
Despite this thesis, most Armenian, Western, and an increasing number of Turkish scholars believe that the massacres were a case of genocide. For example, most Western sources point to the sheer scale of the death toll. The event is also said to be the second-most studied case of genocide, and often draws comparison with the Holocaust. A growing list of countries, as discussed below, have officially recognized and accepted its authenticity as Genocide.
Turkey does not accept that the deaths of 1915 were the result of a state intention to eliminate the Armenian people. Turkey holds the position that the deaths were the result of the turmoils of World War I and that the Ottoman Empire fought against Russian backed Armenian militia.
http://en.wikip...ian_Genocide
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14.Feb 2006 - 03:36
Not least by Hitler himself. When someone warned that the Holocaust would go down in infamy, he is said to have replied "who now remembers the Armenians?".
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14.Feb 2006 - 17:23
See 'Definition of Genocide' thread
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15.Feb 2006 - 04:44
The one that the rest of the world uses you mean, the accepted one?
Genocide now includes the selling off of Cornish homes by the Cornish to outsiders, if you read that thread. It's farsical.
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15.Feb 2006 - 17:24
No; the one that the rest of the governments of the world have chosen and i don't trust a government (any) as far as i can throw it!
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15.Feb 2006 - 20:49
Quite a pathetic response really for such a serious subject! No brownie points for reciting what the self-protectionist Imperial Establishment has contrived for the gullible.
http://assets.cambridge.org//052178/2627/sample/0521782627ws.pdf
'STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!'
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16.Feb 2006 - 00:14
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16.Feb 2006 - 01:22
You act as if the only issue regarding Cornwall is the intellectual debate of the meaning of the word genocide. Can't you see any of this through the eyes of your average person? The only time TGG seem to have anything to say in this forum is when someone questions the word/use/interpretation of genocide.
One day Cornwall may become completely absorbed into the english system and the 'genocide crew' will still be waffling a load of shite about the word. You need to get F****G real about life, pull your heads out the dictionaries and spend more time down the pub talking to real people. Or, dare I say it, do something pro-active apart from quoting history and that ***** called Lemkin.
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16.Feb 2006 - 01:23
Wonder how many people are sick of you rearing your ignorant brain and talking a load of crap!
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16.Feb 2006 - 01:30
He must be sick of my pointing out how dumb he is, and my shooting down of all his idiotic arguments in flames.
Poor old Cornishidiotdata, he's ever so lonely on his planet of one inhabitant.
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16.Feb 2006 - 01:36
No-one cares a flying fluck about 'Raphael Lemkin' on his path, and ALL his techniques, People care about jobs, housing, education etc. Don't you see that?
Nobody wants to! Nobody is that boring, pedantic or lost in the intellectual reasoning laid out in the long winded crap you write! Why don't you write something interesting that the majority of people will understand, or relate to? Or will that reduce you to being somewhere near 'the same as everyone else'?
Look at my bright red signature, it shouts to stop the genocide of Cornwall... you know, the mass slaughter of Cornish people that's been going on for years, look around you, there's bodies everywhere! HELP!
Oh no, sorry, its not the same sort of genocide that 99.9% of the population understand, it's just my own version - one that everyone has to understand otherwise I'll be a nobody... Really F**ks me off do this Genocide crew!
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16.Feb 2006 - 01:41
An uprising among Palestinian Arabs of the Gaza Strip and West Bank, beginning in late 1987 and continuing sporadically into the early 1990s, in protest against continued Israeli occupation of these territories.
"Cornishintifada"?
An uprising among (Cornish) Palestinian Arabs of the (Cornish) Gaza Strip and (Cornish) West Bank, beginning in late 1987 and continuing sporadically into the early (Cornish) 1990s, in protest against continued (non-Cornish) Israeli occupation of these territories.
What was he saying about Muslims?
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Posted:
16.Feb 2006 - 01:49
Cornwall is OCCUPIED by the English and has been since about 1536. They make the rules. Now since the war they have FLOODED into Cornwall. A definition of war crime is replacing an occupied people's land with the occupiers own people - that is what is happening inn Cornwall, Scotland and Wales and happened in Northern Ireland.
Interestingyou can see some parallels -what is Cornwall except the Gaza of the indigenous Britons.
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16.Feb 2006 - 02:24
When drawing parallels you have to have a certain similarity between the two things you compare. The 'invasion' has never been a military one; it was Cornish home owners who sold their houses to the english; how many people have been killed in 'the takeover'? No-one got gassed to death! There aren't gunship helicopters patrolling overhead.
It's not genocide in english eyes and it's not genocide in Cornish eyes. Nor has there been an 'invasion' nor are there major casualties.
The most the Cornish are ever likely to get is some say in the running of local affairs. Why? Because the majority of this small minority don't actually mind the english way of life... The biggest 'crisis' going on is about housing and this is going on all over the country to lesser degrees and greater...
To try to get ordinary Cornish people to change their views about being Cornish in parallel to being english will not be achieved by comparing their situation with the death of thousands of Armenians or millions of Jews. Anyone who can't see that and still continues to shout 'genocide' shouldn't - in my mind - be playing any part in the future of Cornwall. You may be able to make 'intellectual parallels' but what will it achieve?
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16.Feb 2006 - 04:05
Cornwall as Gazza? When do the tears start?
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16.Feb 2006 - 09:14
Ouch. C'mon strop, you can do better than that!
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16.Feb 2006 - 09:16
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16.Feb 2006 - 11:47
If we are an insignificant minority, and nobody shares my view of what is happening to the Cornish Nation, why are you getting so excited?
'STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!'
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Posted:
16.Feb 2006 - 13:37
Most of the Welsh and Scots vote for political parties which never get into power. They all watch the same TV as us, shop in the same supermarkets, eat the same food, share the same religion, speak the same language, read the same national newspapers, and buy english toilet paper to wipe their arses with. Does that mean we should call them English ?
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16.Feb 2006 - 14:21
Is that a euphemism for "Tory & Labour election manifestos"?
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5.Mar 2006 - 15:59
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5.Mar 2006 - 18:01
Sorry frenchie for talking in a way you don't like; mental note to self "must not debate language and meaning because frenchie does not like it".
If you think the debate of the meaning of the word genocide is all that happens here then I would say cornishintitfada is not the only fixated obsessed individual here. If people want to talk let them do so; if you think the TGG site is flawed with the genocide theme then create another one.
Maybe that’s because TGG is busy in other Cornish affairs, putting some of the most important Cornish facts on the TGG website and having a life.
Oh I see the Cornish are low browed imbeciles and would never be interested in intellectual debate, right. To a degree you are right we are all concerned about the basics but to suggest thats all that we focus on is just patronising.
Something I have not done with this thread. Its a subject close to my heart because I spent 21 magical days travelling in Armenia and have been interested in this nation ever since.
In fact an author who inspired me with one of his travel books on the Armenians lives in the Duchy namely Philip Marsden.
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7.Mar 2006 - 00:40
It's only my opinion, but I don't see what's to be gained by speaking of a 'Cornish Genocide' except in a historical debate.
I dont see how saying most people dont give a fluck about 'Raphael Lemkin' can be interpreted that way. But if that's how you see it, fair enough..
I dont think that at all - my only concern has always remained quite simple - you'll probably lose more support than you would gain if you relate the current situation in Cornwall to acts of genocide. I also don't see TGGs site as being flawed, his site is very in-depth and explores much of Cornwall's history. My only isue with TGG was the bold, bright red signature saying "stop the genocide" on the end of his every post in this forum.
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7.Mar 2006 - 12:49
Perhaps TGG does this because that's what he truly thinks and the destruction by denial of the Cornish people is something he feels personally.
As he has said, a fight for survival.
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7.Mar 2006 - 12:54
The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор
http://en.wikip...ian_Genocide
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Posted:
12.Mar 2006 - 01:04
Fair enough, it may be considered a genocide, and yes, it is interesting to view the concept of genocide as being more detailed than the commonly held viewpoint of the likes of the open slaughter seen in Hitler's Germany. But still, in modern day Cornwall, no-one is being placed in such conditions that starve them to death, nor is anyone being gassed to death. Whatever may be broadly re-interpreted as a form of genocide in Cornwall; it still remains an issue that those concerned can react against their situation and can stand up to, and make a protest about it. The balance of power is not extreme enough to justify a genocide situation and to me, those who speak in such terms, could be seen as being weak for seeing such conditions comparable to the historical events so rightly termed as a genocide.
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Posted:
12.Mar 2006 - 13:09
So frenchie you, single handedly have defined the word genocide for ever more. Wow i wish i had such confidence!
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12.Mar 2006 - 13:52
You obviously see no parallels between physical acts and psychological acts of, for example, cruelty, torture?
Similarly, you see no technical parallels between, for example, 'starve' [deprive] or 'gassed' [asphyxiated] and how such techniques could/would be applied in a way that you would find these processes to be acceptable?
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