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15.Feb 2006 - 23:33
What steps will the government take to MAKE us carry them :?:
Who will pay for a replacement card if lost :?:
What happens if you card is stolen :?:
Could this lead to a micro chip being implanted in the body :?:
What is to stop them being forged :?: You are not supposed to be able to forge money, but its done!
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16.Feb 2006 - 00:03
Certainly wouldn't make me feel safer, cause the day identity cards become enforced is the day I'll leave the country...
Whow how scary...one small step for president Blair (id cards) then next is sure to be sneaked in slowly, maybe more terrorist threats to frighten folk and make them feel these measures are necessary, media propaganda etc
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16.Feb 2006 - 01:41
An ID card will:
- lead to a loss of privacy, because it will require a massive database with an unprecedented amount of personal information would be created with giving government the power to "extend surveillance" of the population.
-be costly and impractical: remember how much money recent large-scale IT projects have cost.
- Worsen harassment of ethnic minorities: This could at some point include the Cornish.
- Have little impact on counter-terrorism: forgery of ID cards or papers enabling people to get cards will be easy for those determined individuals/groups.
- Have little effect on illegal working as people have always been able to get around this little problem.
It worries me that some people are so laizzes fair about long held freedoms and never question authorities' motives for doing anything!!. AND also what will happen when we in Cornwall have to carry cards that identify us as English. You can bet that the Scots and Welsh will have something on the card to distinguish them from the English and you can guess who we'll be lumped in with if that happens.
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16.Feb 2006 - 01:44
Me and you are so different Di, I see this as a breach of my freedom, you see it as a security measure, I do understand where you coming from, my mum tells me "you have to have rules Sharon otherwise people would get out of control," I just think it's a shame people are not able to live honestly and responsibly without being controlled. This is where we do share common ground I think you could live without the rules but are glad they are in place to control the arseholes.
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16.Feb 2006 - 01:56
and then there's the old, old adage which really gets up my nose, "If you haven't got anything to hide ....."
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16.Feb 2006 - 07:32
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16.Feb 2006 - 09:12
If you use a credit or debit card you can be tracked.
If you use a loyalty card you can be tracked.
If you drive past one of the new license-plate-reading cameras you will be tracked and your movements stored for two years.
If you're a normal citizen, "They" already know who you are and where you are. Having an ID card will make so little difference to "personal freedom" and privacy that the ordinary citizen won't notice. The problem I have is with the biometrics: they have been shown to be unreliable--even fingerprints are only reliable when clear and complete--and once you're on a blacklist erroneously, how difficult will it be to get off it again?
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16.Feb 2006 - 10:56
Quite apart from the obsene cost, the Big Brother attitude and the extreme inconvenience to law abiding citizens I'm growing continually more suspicious about what happens if my card falls into the wrong hands.
We're told to be increasingly security conscious about our personal details being available, we should shred and burn any paperwork with bank or address details on them, what happens when your identity card goes missing?......Identity theft on a grand scale?
Already my new pictorial drivers licence has way too much info on it in my opinion:
My photo
My name (including marital status)
My date of birth
My address
If lost the finder would know all this information, it can't be a good thing surely?
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16.Feb 2006 - 11:37
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16.Feb 2006 - 12:35
Depends on how similar they look to the person on the card!
I wonder how many people will know the algorithms used to encrypt data onto the cards?
Once that particular programming cat is out of the bag, the cards will be totally insecure.
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16.Feb 2006 - 17:41
Secondary smoking is so dangerous that we now need laws instead of manners to protect our health ( bullshit ! ).........but we will still sell you the product which gives us vast ammounts of money. ( not much hypocrysy there !!! ).
" There you go people. Congratulate yourself on living in the land of the free. Here...... Watch these endless streams of mindless soaps to stupify you, and masses of cop shows to show you what will happen if you step out of line.
There you go people.
YOU ARE FREE..................TO DO AS WE TELL YOU !
YOU ARE FREE..................TO DO AS WE TELL YOU ! " Bill Hicks
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16.Feb 2006 - 22:10
Ahhh, Bill Hicks, now there's a man who knew how to speak the truth...
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16.Feb 2006 - 22:11
I don't believe in doctors either or getting ill, I think if you eat the right way and live as stress free life as poss there is no need for illness. so that's the medical card out the window.
A few moons ago we opted out of society, gave up my business, address, banks, sold everything all the 10,000 things if I couldn't get it in my camper van it when. They can't really touch you then , try getting a vehicle registered without an address, and we tried really hard, they shot themselves in the foot here because without an address no one can fine you either, this is how the gypsies play it. A great feeling of freedom. I just wish I could have continued but for now I'm back in the social structure of things until we make enough money for a top van with a build in satellite dish
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16.Feb 2006 - 22:32
http://www.gavinsblog.com/revelations.htm
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17.Feb 2006 - 08:48
I bet you opted back in though when you needed to buy things or needed healthcare or needed petrol for your camper van or needed to buy clothes or your Giro was paid.
Unless you go back to a hunter-gatherer existence and wear animal skins it's impossible to "opt out of society" because everything we currently use is due to society: camper vans, jeans, social money, the NHS, etc, etc, etc. You wouldn't stand a chance if you refused totally to have anything to do with "society".
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17.Feb 2006 - 22:33
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17.Feb 2006 - 22:39
Well I think I can say we came as close as we could to opting out. We didn't have any health care, we ran the van on 50% diesel 50% veg oil (yes it came from Lidl), I didn't buy any clothes, these came second-hand from my cousin, still do mostly, she earns loads of money and buy's hoards of designer clothes, then gets fed up with them or they go out of fashion. we...I'll say this one quietly, we read peoples charts we did eat what we could off the land, my mum bought us a book when we we're living on a narrowboat, called food for free, she's from the country so I was bought up knowing what I could eat in the countryside, still go foraging when ever I get the chance. Dandelions and nettles are very good for you, battered elderflowers are pretty good too. How many people do you know who could give up almost everything they own. I went from mixing with "the stars" to having a drink on a bench with a tramp. So now I have a broader picture on life. Your a hard man Lys
No, not in this country, it's too cold, we did consider making a bender and living in the woods, also there is a tepee village somewhere near Gweek, they are mostly self-sufficient, they even have hot showers, which they heat up from a big fire on top of a hill. Trouble is we aren't the sort of folk who can stay still, we realised that you have to have a base and chose Cornwall, but we want to travel more and see more life. We have recently been researching sea reality, dolphins etc and how you loose or concept of time, I can relate to this, we're building a website for someone who was the first person to sail the Atlantic in a catamaran....I like to view life as a big adventure
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17.Feb 2006 - 22:53
I've never quite sure whether the world has changed that much, or I just view it from a different perspective now.
My point exactly if you look after your "own health" doctors are out of the equation...
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18.Feb 2006 - 06:41
In NZ we have photo ID drivers licences, and for the purposes of ID which is acceptable for access to international ports (as a worker etc) the Phot ID drivers licences are sufficient.
I just got our now passports (for visiting Cornwall) and it now has a digital ID card in the back. and photos on passport one is not allowed to smile because of the digital recognition software now being used to compare a persons face with the passport :|
Say Cheese
cedric Trounson
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18.Feb 2006 - 07:48
Really? Let's see...
What, none at all? Not even cough mixture? Paracetamol? No, ermm, "ladies products"?
Your van, the diesel and the veg oil are all products from a captialist society.
So you wore clothes that were the product of a capitalist society, and as designer clothes, probably made using cheap labour under unpleasant conditions.
Tricky to do farming while driving around in a van, how did you manage that then? A garden on the roof?
A book published thanks to society.
So you see, you weren't removed from society at all. You may not have mingled with the stars but you were still using lots of products of society.
What have elderflowers ever done to you?
Well, you may think that but you really don't know me at all.
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18.Feb 2006 - 20:24
I rolled them myself suprising what you can do with a few leaves
Living of the land has nothing to do with farming. perhaps I should have said eating from the countryside, seashore etc.
It was suppose to be a joke, thats why I put a bit smile next to the statement, more a term of enderment than an insult...
That was me Mr Miner going of on a tangent about opting out...Case adjourned, I stand guilty of un proper use of words, and insufficient opting
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19.Feb 2006 - 06:13
, take no notice, maybe everyone is a wee bit envious that you have the courage of your convictions to breakaway from traditional roles and depend on identity cards etc. I am certain you are correct that you can do that sort of thing while you have your health. On the flip side, in the social structure, we all need people to contribute to the great black hole run by goverments so they will 'take care of us' when we need asitance. If you are not contributing with Taxes etc, then the level of help that such non contributer receive, should be significantly less.
'Only two things certain in life, Death and Taxes'
stay smiling
Cedric
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19.Feb 2006 - 08:42
Speaking for myself, wrong on both counts! But back to the ID debate...
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19.Feb 2006 - 08:56
Cedric who's they and everyone, Lyskerrys pulled me up for saying I opted out of society, and made me also realise that opting out fully in todays society is pretty imposible. Whether he or you belive me is not my issue .
Am I going to loose my health then, is it obligartory to become ill when you get old, well mate I ain't no spring chick, but I'm 90% more healthy than what I was when I was 21, by figure is probabley better and I never get ill, I'm not no super human just one who knows whats good for them, this as it happens comes with age and wisdom. My Gran lived to 90, and I never knew of her going to the doctors till she got took in hospital and died, she was a country person who was active and ate a good diet. As for paying taxes, in the post before I did say I am back in society, one naturally, ususally follow the other
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21.Feb 2006 - 04:07
Even in NewZealand, the same issues you and other have raised , care for elderly, an ageing population and fewer people to carry the burden are common place. Baby boomers looking at retirement and buying up expensive coastal retirement properties, and even immigrants comming here with big money pushing up prices. Maybe getting off topic but have a great day.
cedric
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21.Feb 2006 - 22:33
How long are you planning to come to Cornwall for...are you going to check out other parts of the country too?
ummm whats the organic situation in NZ do they pump antibiotics into their NZ lamb?
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21.Feb 2006 - 23:11
She's a Gemini Lys, she has to have at least two characters on the go at any one time... :wink:
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21.Feb 2006 - 23:13
Cheek only 2...My signature has appeared as if by magic...maybe the pm to Chris worked...
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22.Feb 2006 - 17:42
My daughter will be going to the UK beginning april, and visiting Cornwall, evenhappy to find work there for a while. I have told her Boy friend he has two challenges, One is to find the giant of Carn Galvar ( It is next to where my father was born at Brook Cottage) and the second is to find the mermaid of Zennor.
I intend getting to Cornwall in 2 years time, so as to spend a wee bit of time there with my daughter, and to see Brook Cottage.
In new Zealand there is no such thing as a compulsory retirement age (As that is age discrimination) but at 65 is when the old age pension is available.
Personaly i believe everyone should take life easy from 50 and make room for the school leavers to be trained.
I live on the West Coast of the South Island and in the last 100 years have gone form the highest unemployment to the highest number of job vacancies per capita. And now bringing in coal miners from the UK to meet the demand.
I didnt even pic that Shaz was Sharron
Cheers ,
Have a great day
Cedric
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22.Feb 2006 - 18:45
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It's more a choice thing with me, the younger you take it easy the better, I just don't like the way some people are pushed into retirement before their ready, guess you got a point about the school leavers, I'm lucky being mostly self-employed since 21, and I view my work as a lifestyle more than a job.
Your daughter sholdn't have a problem finding some casual work, if she's going to be anywhere near Newquay let me know.
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22.Feb 2006 - 23:42
Gosh, I couln't be that far away from my family without the freedom to pop back when ever I wanted to. Bloody hell if they bring in ID cards and I leave for India or somewhere I might have to get one if only to scoot back and forth to Cornwall with....Free Kernow, Free Me, I've got my own ID (Independant Devolution)
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23.Feb 2006 - 11:59
http://www.no2id.net/
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23.Feb 2006 - 22:07
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4742556.stm
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24.Feb 2006 - 00:41
Happy Birthday Mum
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26.Feb 2006 - 00:51
The Bill subjects this drastic power to limits, but these are few and weak. If enacted as it stands, we believe the Bill would make it possible for the Government, by delegated legislation, to do (inter alia) the following:
create a new offence of incitement to religious hatred, punishable with two years’ imprisonment;
curtail or abolish jury trial;
permit the Home Secretary to place citizens under house arrest;
allow the Prime Minister to sack judges;
rewrite the law on nationality and immigration;
“reform” Magna Carta (or what remains of it).
It would, in short, create a major shift of power within the state, which in other countries would require an amendment to the constitution; and one in which the winner would be the executive, and the loser Parliament.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59-2042165,00.html
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http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=342162006[/quote]
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9.Mar 2006 - 07:37
http://infowars.net/articles/march2006/080306SCL.htm
http://www.armedforces.co.uk/companies/raq42ad8c328c7a6
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20.Mar 2006 - 07:36
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1734265,00.html
This ID project is even more sinister than we first thought
The insidious erosion of our civil liberties will accelerate dramatically if the government wins the battle over identity cards.
Henry Porter / London Observer | March 19 2006
You may have noticed the vaguely menacing tone of recent government advertising campaigns. Here is a current example: 'If you know a business that isn't registered for tax, call the Revenue or HM Customs - no names needed.' Another says: 'Technology has made it easier to identify benefit cheats.'
Whether the campaign is about rape, TV licences or filling in your tax form, there is always a we-know-where-you-live edge to the message, a sense that this government is dividing the nation into suspects and informers.
Reading the Identity Cards Bill, as it pinged between the House of Commons and the Lords last week, I wondered about the type of campaign that will be used to persuade us to comply with the new ID card law. Clearly, it would be orchestrated by some efficient martinet like the Minister of State at the Home Office, Hazel Blears. Her task will be to put the fear of God into the public at the same time as reassuring us that the £90 cost of each card will protect everyone from identity theft, terrorism and benefit fraud.
The ads might imagine any number of scenarios. Here is one. 'Your elderly mother has fallen ill,' starts the commentary gravely. 'You travel from your home to look after her. She has a chronic condition but this time, it's a bit of a crisis and you need to pick up a prescription at the only late-night chemist in town. Trouble is, she has mislaid her identity card and you never thought to get one. Under the new law, the pharmacist will not be able to give you that medicine without proper ID. So, get your card. It's for your own good - and Mum's.'
It became clear last week that the government will do anything to get this bill through parliament, including ignoring its own manifesto pledge to make the cards voluntary, a fact that we should remember as each of us entrusts the 49 separate pieces of personal information to a national database. By the end of last year, the government had already spent £32m of taxpayers' money on the scheme and, at the present, the expenditure is edging towards £100,000 a day. No surprise that Home Secretary Charles Clarke dissembles about Labour promises.
Labour's manifesto said: 'We will introduce ID cards, including biometric data like fingerprints, backed up by a national register and rolling out initially on a voluntary basis as people renew their passports.'
It turns out that there is nothing voluntary about it. If you renew your passport, you will be compelled to provide all the information the state requires for its sinister data base. The Home Secretary says that the decision to apply for, or renew, a passport is entirely a matter of individual choice; thus he maintains that the decision to commit those personal details to the data base is a matter of individual choice.
George Orwell would have been pleased to have invented that particular gem. Yet this is not fiction, but the reality of 2006, and we should understand that if the Home Secretary is prepared to mislead on the fundamental issue as to whether something is voluntary or compulsory, we cannot possibly trust his word on the larger issues of personal freedom and the eventual use of the ID card database.
Clarke has now established himself as a deceiver, even in the eyes of his party. Labour democrats such as Kate Hoey, Diane Abbott, Bob Marshall-Andrews and Mark Fisher all understood that the Lords' amendments of last week simply sought to underline this concept of a voluntary scheme, which complied with the 2005 manifesto. Oddly enough, the compulsory provision of personal information to the government database is not the greatest threat to our freedom, though it is in itself a substantial one. The real menace comes when the ID card scheme begins to track everyone's movements and transactions, the details of which will kept on the database for as long as the Home Office desires.
Over the past few weeks, an anonymous email has been doing a very good job of enlightening people on how invasive the ID card will be. 'Private businesses,' says the writer, 'are going to be given access to the national identity register database. If you want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for a swipe. If you want to apply for a London underground Oystercard or supermarket loyalty card or driving licence, you will have to present your card.'
You will need the card when you receive prescription drugs, when you withdraw a relatively small amount of money from a bank, check into hospital, get your car unclamped, apply for a fishing licence, buy a round of drinks (if you need to prove you're over 18), set up an internet account, fix a residents' parking permit or take out insurance.
Every time that card is swiped, the central database logs the transaction so that an accurate plot of your life is drawn. The state will know everything that it needs to know; so will big corporations, the police, the Inland Revenue, HM Customs, MI5 and any damned official or commercial busybody that wants access to your life. The government and Home Office have presented this as an incidental benefit, but it is at the heart of their purpose.
Last week, Andrew Burnham, a junior minister at the Home Office, confirmed the anonymous email by admitting that the ID card scheme would now include chip-and-pin technology because it would be a cheaper way of checking each person's identity. The sophisticated technology on which this bill was sold will cost too much to operate, with millions of checks being made every week.
That is a very important admission because the government still maintains the fiction that the ID card is defence against identity theft and terrorism. The 7 July bombers would not have been deterred by a piece of plastic. And it is clear that the claim about protecting your identity is also rubbish because chip-and-pin technology has already been compromised by organised criminals. What remains is the ceaseless monitoring of people's lives. That is what the government is forcing on us.
Practically every week in these columns, I urge you to pay attention to the government's theft of our liberties. I would feel a bore and an obsessive if I hadn't pored over the ID card bill last week and read Hansard's account of the exchanges in both houses. One of the most chilling passages in the bill is section 13 which deals with the 'invalidity and surrender' of ID cards, which, in effect, describes the withdrawal of a person's identity by the state. For, without this card, it will be almost impossible to function, to exist as a citizen in the UK. Despite the cost to you, this card will not be your property.
People keep asking me what they can do about the lurch into Labour's velvet tyranny and I keep replying that the only way for us is to re-engage with the politics of our country. But it is difficult. The new Conservative regime under David Cameron has not yet found the voice to articulate the objection to the radical changes proposed in our society. Edward Garnier, the Tory spokesman on ID cards, did his best in the Commons last week, but we need to hear his leader express the principled outrage that comes from conviction and unyielding values. If we don't, we may justifiably wonder if the Conservatives are sitting on their hands in the belief that they will eventually inherit Labour's apparatus of control.
Outside parliament, what needs to happen is the formation of the broadest possible front against these changes, a movement which deploys the most principled democratic minds in the country to argue with the lazy and stupid view that if you've got nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear from Labour's attack on liberty. I believe that will happen.
http://www.no2id.net/
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12.Jul 2006 - 01:05
Identity cards are doomed, say officials
Web posted at: 7/10/2006 7:48:27
Source ::: The Sunday Times
london • Tony Blair’s flagship identity cards scheme is set to fail and may not be introduced for a generation, according to leaked Whitehall e-mails from the senior officials responsible for the multi-billion-pound project.
The problems are so serious that ministers have been forced to draw up plans for a scaled-down “face-saving” version to meet their pledge of phasing in the cards from 2008.
However, civil servants say there is no evidence that even this compromise is “remotely feasible” and accuse ministers of “ignoring reality” by pressing ahead.
One official warns of a “botched operation” that could put back the introduction of ID cards for a generation. He added: “I conclude that we are setting ourselves up to fail.” Another admits he is planning Home Office strategy around the possibility that the scheme could be “canned completely”.
In one e-mail the prime minister is personally blamed for the fiasco with his proposal for a scaled-down or “early variant” version. “It was a Mr Blair apparently who wanted the ‘early variant’ card. Not my idea,” writes a top Home Office civil servant.
The e-mails expose another crisis for John Reid, the home secretary, who has already labelled his department as “not fit for purpose” following the recent foreign prisoners scandal.
The correspondence has been leaked by a senior official close to the Treasury. He acknowledges that the documents will infuriate ministers because they contradict the government’s public statements on ID cards.
Blair has repeatedly trumpeted the scheme as a centrepiece of the government’s efforts to combat terrorism, illegal immigration and crime. Ministers have rounded on critics who say the government has underestimated the cost and complexity of the technology.
Last year ministers rubbished claims by the London School of Economics that the scheme was too unwieldy and would cost as much as £19 billion, compared with the government’s estimate of £6 billion.
The government proposes that all Britain’s 50 million adults will eventually carry the cards, which will include biometric data such as digitally encoded fingerprints or iris scans that could be checked against a huge database. The cards are to be introduced voluntarily from 2008 but, if re-elected, Labour proposes to make them compulsory for everyone over 16.
The e-mail correspondence last month was between Peter Smith, acting commercial director at the Identity and Passport Service, the Home Office agency set up to bring in the cards, and David Foord, the ID card project director at the Office of Government Commerce, which is responsible for vetting the project to ensure that the Treasury gets value for taxpayers’ money.
They reveal that the government is “rethinking” the entire scheme with an alternative “face-saving” compromise, which Smith blames on Blair. This “early variant” plan appears to involve collecting and storing biometric data on a temporary ID register but makes no mention of actually using it on cards.
However, officials doubt that this will work. Foord writes: “Just because ministers say do something does not mean we ignore reality — which is what seems to have happened on ID cards until [the contracts were due] to be issued and then reality could not be ignored any longer.”
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15.Jul 2006 - 15:29
:idea: http://www.computing.co.uk/computing/news/2155267/eden-project-clocks-timekeeping :idea:
:idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Team_Kernow :idea:
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16.Jul 2006 - 00:45
I'm a pretty law abiding person, and don't really give a hoot if I have to have an identity card, BUT I don't think I should pay for it.
If my Government want me to have an identity card, then they should pay for it. It should also be my driving licence, Euro health ID, shotgun certificate...whatever.
I already have a wallet bulging with so called 'essential' IDs... ..roll them all into one multipurpose smart card, make it free.. thats OK with me.
I just wish my Government would stop insulting my intelligence and be more honest with me.
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16.Jul 2006 - 01:04
Have you had a tooth abcess lately? People used to die from septicaemia from tooth abcesses...
TB (Consumption)is on the increase in the UK, mainly amongst people living on the street and in the traveller population.
I relish the idea of people in a traveller/alternative lifestyle doing web design, it makes me smile. Cherish the society that tolerates its eccentrics.
Graham.
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16.Jul 2006 - 06:11
I couldn't agree with you more, yes one card for everything [except a shooters licence, no need for a gun at all] They've just allowed shooters to hunt in national parks around us, to keep feral animals down, do we really think that shooters will care what they shoot
Many park visitors will be scared off in case of stray bullets. We have a medicare card and drivers licence, both serve as identity, so as you say, roll them into one, oh yes and a fishing licence could be added. All free of course, well maybe we should pay for the driving and fishing part of the card yeh
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24.Jul 2006 - 16:08
As soon as some muppet in A****tures offshore software development centres takes a few quid for the info.
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24.Jul 2006 - 22:56
Cherish the eccentrics that tolerate society
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Graham.
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5.Sep 2006 - 18:32
Apparently this load of rubbish has been quietly thrown in the bin as it is unworkable.
Just like ID cards.
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6.Sep 2006 - 10:43