Oh what a load of sanctimonouos tripe. What I do reflects a world view as much as anything that's been touted on this thread as 'superior'. And it comes with the added value of actually being useful for something. People who have to elevate what they do to a level where they demand to be seen as elite always strike me as lacking something major in their lives. Ironically, the only person not to be elitist so far has been Swiftie!
Ton - it wasn't even your sanctimonious tripe was it? If you're going to quote stuff from the net it's quite good form to acknowledge where you've found it with a link. Also the person who made the statement you quoted followed it up with this
Puts the original remarks in a different context don't you think?
Bizarrely, someone on that thread quoted the tripe, and replied with:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Well found, Cledry. If I have an idle moment I think I'll try and find where he copied his other outpourings from. Bet TonT doesn't even know what "epistemology" means, I doubt it's in his My First Thousand Words dictionary.
Oh come on Ton - you've been caught with your pants down love. You haven't quoted directly from that forum, you've added words like 'my take' etc and were clearly hoping to get away with us yokels thinking you were clever. And I'm not answering any more of your questions until you answer some relating to yourself. You haven't said what you find valid about swifties work and we're 11 pages in!
Visually I struggle with Swiftie’s work, it’s not the kind of painting that I would normally enjoy looking at look at. I never actually said I liked his work, if you look back through the posting you will see this; I never even said it was valid!
However it clearly is valid, why else would we be talking about it?
Surly something is only invalid once it’s been made so; I’ve not seen any arguments to say otherwise from you or your husband.
Answer my question now will you? We are ALL waiting.
ROTFLMAO. If you judge something's "validity" by whether or not people are talking about it on a web forum you've got a lot to learn about life. Try again - "we are ALL waiting" for you to come up with an argument in support of Swiftie's work, and we're already 11 pages into this thread.
Fancy yourself as a philosopher, don't you? Well then, how would you suggest a piece of art, say..."The Fighting Temeraire" (look it up, and don't read anything into my choice of painting) could be made "invalid"?
Cledry's right, TonT, you claimed that something could be "made invalid". Do enlighten us please by telling us (1) what that means and (2) how a painting could be "made invalid".
TonT, I can guarantee you one thing; you will lose this argument. You have no chance to get through to these people; everything you say will be shouted down.
You are dealing with people like FlammNew who cannot see that art and indeed anything gains validity through people talking about it regardless of if that is on a web forum or not. Your statement that it is valid because we are discussing it is absolutely right and his response to that quite insightful statement is "ROTFLMAO".
You're contending with others like cledry_maid who thinks art should have a functional use if it doesn't it is less valid. She seems to think that art and crafts have equal standing and obviously if you disagree you are elitist and a snob.
These are people who have no concept of how the art industry operates and no matter what you say to them they will continue to shout you down until this conversation is over and they will get the last word on this.
However, we have something to be thankful for. They have no influence whatsoever on the art industry or its operation. They have no say on which artists succeed and which don't. So the bottom line is that on this subject at least, they're opinions are irrelevant and while they continue to be appalled by modern art the rest of us can enjoy it's benefits.
Seems like you're been reading a different thread to me.
Quote me where I've said art has to have a functional use. Quote me where I've said if it doesn't it's less valid. You have either completely misunderstood the entire content of this thread or you're just trying to prolong an argument. My guess is on the 2nd as you don't appear to be that thick.
Could you tell us what 'the benefits' are btw? No googling now
Had TonT come up with any valid comments in support of duff modern art we could have had a discussion, but he couldn't, so of course it looked one sided.
Maybe you can explain something that TonT has been unable to: what does "valid" mean in this context? What does making a piece of artwork "invalid" mean?
Can I say ROTFLMAO again please? What do you think you know about what I know about the working of the art "industry"?
Come up with some sensible arguments in favour of the type of artwork I've been arguing against and I'll have a discussion with you. Saying that "we're talking about it so it must be 'valid' " doesn't wash I'm afraid.
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If I have an idle moment I think I'll try and find where he copied his other outpourings from. 
Bet TonT doesn't even know what "epistemology" means, I doubt it's in his My First Thousand Words dictionary.
