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cledry_maid
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Posted: 13.06.2006, 14:25
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rofl - I was waiting for the Picasso quote 
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TonT
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Posted: 13.06.2006, 14:29
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Quote: Ton, you're very quick to judge our political views, our careers, how about you let us kno what it is you do because you do seem to be sugesting that you're more informed and experienced than either of us.
I don't think I've judged anyone here - I've told you what I do, you must have missed it.
Do you think I'm more informed and experienced?
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FlammNew
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Posted: 13.06.2006, 14:34
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Also from Picasso:
If I spit, they will take my spit and frame it as great art.
Also from Picasso:
The people who make art their business are mostly imposters.
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TonT
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Posted: 13.06.2006, 14:38
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Good luck with your forum, maybe this forum is your art, if so - keep it up, I hope it brings you all the happiness you need to survive, I mean, you must love your job soooooo much to be posting here all day, everyday.
Thankfully for me, it's my day off - now I'm going out.
Goodbye
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cledry_maid
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Posted: 13.06.2006, 14:42
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Oh no - don't go :shock:
I don't have a 'job' Ton - if that post was aimed at me it was way off the mark. Reading back through the thread it looks like you might be in PR. Maybe we could talk business - lets' do croust.
Do you think we upset him Flamm?
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TonT
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Posted: 13.06.2006, 14:55
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Ever get the feeling you've had the wool pulled over your eyes?
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cledry_maid
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Posted: 13.06.2006, 15:00
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TonT
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Posted: 14.06.2006, 10:50
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Well well well, see what the cat dragged in.
*REMOVED*
I invite everyone to look at this blog and see if it’s in keeping with the comments made on this thread.
You might be right Cledry, we don’t need anymore galleries in Cornwall, what we really need is some more hippy craft shops.
To tell the truth, I was very surprised at your blog Cledry – from looking at the lifestyle you live I’d imagine you to be a forward looking, optimistic lady who had lived a little, enough to know that the younger generation needs support in what they do (especially in Cornwall) but you seem rather sad. Our children should be encouraged to be free, free to decide that an alternative way of making a living is a valid thing. You and your partner in crime on here seem to making enjoy being obvious and negative about anything new, different, or slightly interesting. I read the Stranger magazine thread also and was surprised at the lack of support there as well. Such pessimistic and cynical attitudes are not the spice that Cornwall needs; in fact no one needs them… I’m not asking anyone to be overtly ‘nice’ on here just for the sake of it – that’s not my point, my point it that this thread is an embarrassment to the older generation. You and Flamm have chosen, unwittingly, to represent your generation (I imagine Flamm to be a similar age, please correct me if I’m wrong). I wouldn’t mind so much but your arguments about the artists seem to lack one basic ingredient - intelligence.
I suggest to you both (and I’d love to know more about you Flam, don’t worry – I’m looking!) that before make a commitment to deciding to dump on new Cornish artists in the flippant manner you have been and take a look at your own lives first, what have are your achievements, have you found an inner peace? Are you free? Who’s lives have you changed and touched in a positive way with your work? You don’t need to answer the questions on here… please don’t, I’m not that interested… ask it in the bath, with a Mars Bar – you may well cry at the answers you come up with.
I have the utmost respect the new artist, actors and filmmakers of Kernow, and of this country, and I have faith in them. I doubt it would have mattered what artist we decided to talk about on here, it would have gone the same way.
Do you and Flamm know each other perhaps? Is Falmm your husband? – You seem to come as a double act of bulling, unkind, pretenders.
Imagine your ‘perfect’ son was Swiftie – would the work be ‘crap’ then? Probably not, right?
It’s too easy to be negative – it would have been fun to debate the pros and cons of art and it’s affects with you in an intelligent engaging way, but, alas, it was not to be – shame. I’m well aware that people have been debating art for a long, long time and very small progress will be made on a Cornish forum, but here we are.
I feel sad to think that there are people like you living in Cornwall. I will continue to support local artists and learn from them just as much as I’ll avoid craft fairs; rainbow woolly hat stalls where I might bump into you and your depressing energy cloud. However, I'm sure you'll meet the discussed artists at some point and kiss ass in the usual way people like you do.
Now’s the time to save face – repent for every unconstructive word you have submitted to this forum and we, the people, will forgive you.
And you called me a sheep!
BAAAAAAAAA (hold still)
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cledry_maid
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Posted: 14.06.2006, 11:24
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I haven't given you permission to post that link. Could admin remove it please.
And Ton? Get over yourself love
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TonT
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Posted: 14.06.2006, 11:25
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Permission?
I don't need permission...
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cledry_maid
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Posted: 14.06.2006, 11:26
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Yes you do, I suggest you remove it.
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TonT
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Posted: 14.06.2006, 11:29
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Or else?
Sorry, it's on the net - the public can find it - so what's the problem?
Wish you never started this now don't you?
Let admin decide....
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cledry_maid
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Posted: 14.06.2006, 11:47
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Oh Ton - wish I'd never started it? Purllease  The objection I have is if I wanted that blog publicised on here I'd have posted the link myself. As I'm local to this site and the blog has pictures of my kids on then I haven't (for their safety) posted the link on here. If poeple find my blog on the net randomly then they can't link it to me personally iyswim.I don't care who sees my work or anything else. If you're happy to compromise my kids wellbeing then fine - leave it posted. However, I think most people will see that what you've done is out of order.
It's a strangely familiar posting style I ahve to say. Someone starts off having a debate, can't handle being disagreed with and up's the stakes by posting personal info? Curiouser and curiouser
Just off to check the tracking stats on the blog.
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TonT
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Posted: 14.06.2006, 11:53
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s-c-r-a-p-i-n-g----t-h-e-----b-a-r-r-e-l
I doubt the 'axe murderer' hiding in the bushes will be after your kids.... only YOU!!!
Sleep with one eye open...
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Vitreous
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Posted: 14.06.2006, 11:58
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I've been reading through the last several pages with some interest; the debate surrounding modern art fascinates me and this particular one is quite close to my heart.
I own an art gallery in Truro and in March this year I had the pleasure of hosting Swiftie's very first one-man exhibition in Cornwall. I thought I would post as you may be interested to hear a different perspective on this discussion however I am not going to disagree with or challenge your beliefs in any way. The reason is that art is impossible to define; no amount of quotes from dead artists and dictionaries will ever result in one single satisfactory answer to the question, "What Is Art?"
So instead I will tell you how Swiftie's exhibition affected people and I will start with myself. I first saw Swiftie's work in a mixed exhibition in my gallery called New (ad)VENTURE and a particular piece called D.I.E caught my attention. It was unlike anything I had exhibited before and I was certainly a little apprehensive about showing it, I honestly had no idea if I even liked it or not. However during the course of the exhibition I had many discussions with visitors about this particular piece and the gallery even received a written complaint about us showing it, which was of course wonderful. The more I looked at this painting the more I felt that Swiftie was sharing his emotions and experiences with me and despite having a passion for art I would say this was the first time I had seriously thought carefully about one particular painting. My views changed of his work immeasurably during that four-week period to the point where I fell in love with D.I.E and bought the painting. It now hangs in the gallery's collection with no small measure of pride.
The affect Swiftie's work had on me was shared by more or less every visitor to Swiftie's subsequent solo exhibition with us this year. We had more visitors to that show than we had ever had before and they came with mixed views. There were many admirers and followers of his work who attended but interestingly there was a lot of interest from people who didn't like it at all. Normally when someone doesn't like an artists work they avoid the show, but in this case they couldn't stay away.
This led to many conversations about his work; trying to discover hidden meaning and explain the narrative was something everyone would make an attempt at. One notable conversation with a frequent visitor continued for about three weeks! I have never talked more about a collection of paintings as I did during the course of Swiftie's show and some of the most enjoyable of those was with those who really didn't like his work at all. However many of the people who didn't think a great deal of his work had a similar experience to the one I had, a slightly altered view.
So after this rambling post what point am I trying to make? Well I would just ask anyone who doesn't rate his work or thinks it's not art or bad art to just spend a little time in it's company. I don't mean look at it on websites, seek him out. Find an exhibition of his work and take your friends along. Talk about it, slate it and berate it if you must, but allow yourself to have a meaningful conversation about it.
I'm not saying this will make you fall in love with it and consider it a work of genius, but I do believe if you go to see Swiftie's work with an open mind (or frankly even with a closed one) you will leave with at the very least a slightly altered view.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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