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CJenkin Posted: 04.07.2006, 11:53



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No I accept that to all intents and purposes Wales is an English region, which a small minority of its citizens would like to be a nation, abeit one which is not autonmous.

Is this offensive to you stroppy?
If so why?
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 04.07.2006, 14:50

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So who decides if we are a nation or not then?

Where did you get your figures from for the small minority thing?

Are you confident in over ruling and ignoring constitutional law?
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CJenkin Posted: 04.07.2006, 16:33



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Good question Fulub - In the UK we have a tradition of 'nations' based around the 'peoples' and their traditional 'territories' often distinguished linguistically. Hence Polydore Vergils description of the Cornish, Welsh, Scottish and English. These are the nations.
They cannot disappear because they are based on heritage. If the community continues and some knowledge of that heritage is maintained then there exists a nation.

Since the Victorian period Scotland and Wales national identity has been bolstered by both parliamentary recognition in statute and other national status recognition. It is worth noting that legally Wales had no distinctive 'national' status in the UK until the 1950s and the Welsh Office being established since its absorbtion in to England in th 1530s. You can still find maps from the early 20th Century with England emblazoned across the middle of Wales. How things have changed for the Welsh - our challenge is to make them change for the Cornish.
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lyskerrys Posted: 04.07.2006, 20:58



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porthia1947 Posted: 04.07.2006, 21:41



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No I accept that to all intents and purposes Cornwall is an English county, which a small minority of its citizens would like to be a nation, albeit one which is not autonomous.


No one expects you to think any different strops. A former supporter of the labour left, turned pale blue Nu Labour and member of the property owning class from the Principality of Wales (or is it England and Wales?). Come on strops for hundreds of years Wales in the eyes of the English ruling elite was seen as no more than a glorified county of England. It would have been swallowed up into England if a small minority of its citizens (no, not the large majority) hadn't kept the focus on the survival of it's language and its status as a separate nation. Don't be so cocky and dismissive of us because we are trying to do for Cornwall just what that minority did for Wales.
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xxxxxx Posted: 05.07.2006, 08:55



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Is this offensive to you stroppy?
If so why?


No it's not offensive in any way. Why should it be?

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So who decides if we are a nation or not then?
Well you have decided you are a nation, so that's ok.
Who do you want to decide/give/grant you nation staus?

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Where did you get your figures from for the small minority thing?
From the votes MK get, from the lack of a unified push from within Corwall for nationhood. From the figures that are bandied about here,.

If I had seen verifiable evidence that a majority of Cornish people want it, then that would change things. But as all the polls that have been talked about (none have ever been presented here, just talked about) have only shown that they are not purely Cornish people subscribing to this, (in fact over half the signatures on the online petition are from outside Cornwall, or at least they were a couple of months or more back, anyone got a link to it?) then how will you prove that the majority of "Cornish" people want this?


And also, what will you do if the majority of Cornish residents (as opposed to "Cornish" people) state they do not want it?

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Are you confident in over ruling and ignoring constitutional law?

Yes. That is why we have the staus quo. What, when, who and why will this change?

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They cannot disappear because they are based on heritage. If the community continues and some knowledge of that heritage is maintained then there exists a nation.


Very true, and I think that is where the Cornish movement should concentrate its efforts. In keeping the heritage alive, in developing and spreading the language, and in promoting and protecting the Cornwall that we all know and love. The political battle for an assembly, which will only end up with CCC under a different name, is a drain on will and effort, and I don't think it will achieve much.

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A former supporter of the labour left, turned pale blue Nu Labour and member of the property owning class from the Principality of Wales (or is it England and Wales?).
I turned pale blue on some issues, pale pink on others, I align myself with no party, as I do not believe there is a party that stands for me. (I'll ignore the slurs :P)


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Come on strops for hundreds of years Wales in the eyes of the English ruling elite was seen as no more than a glorified county of England. It would have been swallowed up into England if a small minority of its citizens (no, not the large majority) hadn't kept the focus on the survival of it's language and its status as a separate nation.
And it's a shame that the large majority of Cornish citizens do not want the same in Cornwall.

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Don't be so cocky and dismissive of us because we are trying to do for Cornwall just what that minority did for Wales.
Wait a while, lets see how well or badly the Welsh assembly goes, then see if you want that for Cornwall eh?
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Me Posted: 06.07.2006, 17:24

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What happened in the court case that involved the self-proclaimed stannators a few years back ('english' heritage signs)?

I heard the case was dropped 'in the national interest'??


Anyone?? Or is this a banned subject? icon_frown
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 06.07.2006, 17:36

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QuoteWell you have decided you are a nation, so that's ok.
Who do you want to decide/give/grant you nation staus?


To have official recognition from the government would be nice.

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Plus the 50,000 who signed a petition that stated Cornwall is a celtic nation. Plus the 37,000 who wrote Cornish for their national identity. A minority perhaps but a small one only in your dreams.

QuoteAnd also, what will you do if the majority of Cornish residents (as opposed to "Cornish" people) state they do not want it?

You still don't get it do you? stroppy, i am Cornish and i will fight for my nation until the last moments of my life, even if we are a minority in our own land.

QuoteYes. That is why we have the staus quo. What, when, who and why will this change?

Don't really understand your point her, are you saying that it is OK to make laws and then totally ignore them when it suits you?
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1549 Posted: 06.07.2006, 18:10

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Anyone?? Or is this a banned subject?


Try these:-

http://www.cornish-stannary-parliament.abelgratis.com/page45.html
http://www.cornish-stannary-parliament.abelgratis.com/page46.html
http://www.cornish-stannary-parliament.abelgratis.com/page47.html

Friday 18th January 2002 - Judge enters a verdict of "not guilty".

Observations:

English Heritage could not justify its policies to win the case against the Cornish Stannary Parliament.

The Crown Prosecution Service retreated from the prospect of the Cornish Stannary Parliament presenting evidence exposing the illegality of acts by various government departments.

Unknown evidence collected by the Secret Services may have been manipulated and used to compromise the case of the Cornish Stannary Parliament.

The defendants were exposed to the possibility of losing their homes.

The enforced withdrawal of a Judge, the resignation of the first three Barristers, the change of the charge from "theft" to "conspiracy to commit criminal damage" and the introduction at a late stage of a "Public Interest Immunity Certificate", together offer compelling evidence of political interference with the course of justice. It is strongly suspected that the hand of the Duchy of Cornwall is the most likely source for the unconstitutional abuse of power in its unpublicised role as the government of Cornwall.

19th January 2002 - Report in the London "Guardian" entitled:- "How 3 Cornishmen and a raid on King Arthur's castle rocked English Heritage"

"Western Morning News" publishes in depth report. Prints 'politically correct' mud slinging attempt by 'Cornwall Colonial Council' spokesperson Mike Gillbard, without asking him why none of the English political parties represented at 'Colonial Hall' have never passed a motion accepting the right of the Cornish Celts and their culture to exist officially.

20th January 2002 - 7pm BBC1 cancelled a planned discussion on the trial.- For a few hours, BBC officials carelessly forgot their Contracts of Employment, especially the section on 'Grounds for Dismissal:- Failure to protect English people from the truth about the Duchy of Cornwall'.
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xxxxxx Posted: 07.07.2006, 01:27



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Now that is impressive!

Well done those involved. Respect!
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