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St. Piran's flag flying illegal

nige999 Posted: 09.08.2006, 13:00



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QuoteSo you're going to learn Breton then?


I'd give it a go.
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freekernow Posted: 14.08.2006, 17:02



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This is the latest reply I have received from Yvette 'second homes are not a problem' Cooper M.P.'s office - what a cop out ! I have now written to the Planning System Improvement Division, Dept. for Communities & Local Government, Zone 3/J4, Eland House, Bressenden Place, London SW1E 5DU who can also be emailed at:advertsregs@communities.gsi.gov.uk to register my complaint.

Letter hereunder and I trust you will continue to support this cause:-

Thank you for your email of 8 August copied to Yvette Cooper MP about flying the flag of St Piran . Your remarks have been noted.



It may be useful to explain that flags come within the definition of “advertisement” and as such are controlled by the Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) Regulations 1992. Currently, any national flag may be flown from a vertical flag pole without requiring the express consent of the local planning authority, provided nothing is added to the design on the flag or the flagpole.



The Departnment is currently consulting on new draft Advertisement Regulations and one of the proposals is to allow any country’s national flag, the European Union, the Commonwealth and the United Nations flags; however they are flown, without having to apply for express consent. The consultation documents can be found on the DLCG website at: http://www.communities.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1501750].



Local planning authorities have day-to-day responsibility for the operation of the advertisement control system. It is therefore a matter for the relevant local planning authority in the first instance to interpret the Regulations and use their discretion when deciding whether the St Piran’s flag should be permitted and whether they consider it necessary to take enforcement action, in the light of local circumstances.





Yours sincerely



John Powell
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freekernow Posted: 14.08.2006, 18:22



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The Kilbrandon Report (1969–1971) into the British constitution recommended that, when referring to Cornwall official sources should cite the Duchy not the County. This was suggested in recognition of its constitutional position.
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freekernow Posted: 14.08.2006, 19:56



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Join me and the members of the International Celtic League and the International Celtic Congress, Mebyon Kernow and the Stannary, the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party in writing/emailing as below in order to demand our right to fly the flag of St. Piran of the Tinners of Cornwall without prosecution or persecution:
Susan Peart
Planning System Improvement Division
Department for Communities & Local Government
Zone 3/J4
Eland House
Bressenden Place
London
SW1E 5DU

advertsregs@communities.gsi.gov.uk

tel. 020 7944 3961
fax. 020 7944 3919

The address and contact details are genuine although they sound like something from '1984'.

This is the Department who also deal with regional governance issues and so would be the correct address re. Cornish Governance, Cornish Development Agency etc.

Thanks, one and all

'Freekernow'
A Cornish Nationalist and proud of it !
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cornwall247 Posted: 17.08.2006, 09:43



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I fly my slightly modified St Piran from my boat

http://forum.cornwall247.co.uk/files/flag_on_voyager_785.jpg

are there any rules about that.
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Joe Posted: 17.08.2006, 09:55



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I know who you are, you're Roy Cruse - you used to be a warm up DJ for Simon Gordon in those early rave years. I thought you went to Bristol and became big on the gay circuit?
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cornwall247 Posted: 17.08.2006, 11:09



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you are right aout the DJing part and Si and newquay - but i moved to bristol to go to Uni - I didnt really ever DJ whilst I was there...

Sorry...

I now live back in cornwall and have have a perfectly normal day job and dont really DJ anymore - allthough i still have my decks...
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1549 Posted: 26.08.2006, 10:40

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Almost the same reply !!!

QuoteThank you for your email to Yvette Cooper MP about flying the flag of St Piran and the need for a Cornish Assembly.

Your remarks have been noted.

It may be useful to explain that flags come within the definition of “advertisement” and as such are controlled by the Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) Regulations 1992. Currently, any national flag may be flown from a vertical flag pole without requiring the express consent of the local planning authority, provided nothing is added to the design on the flag or the flagpole.

The Department is currently consulting on new draft Advertisement Regulations and one of the proposals is to allow any country’s national flag, the European Union, the Commonwealth and the United Nations flags; however they are flown, without having to apply for express consent. The consultation documents can be found on the DLCG website at: http://www.communities.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1501750].

Local planning authorities have day-to-day responsibility for the operation of the advertisement control system. It is therefore a matter for the relevant local planning authority in the first instance to interpret the Regulations and use their discretion when deciding whether the St Piran’s flag should be permitted and whether they consider it necessary to take enforcement action, in the light of local circumstances.

The Government recognises the people of Cornwall do consider they have a separate identity and, because of this, the Government has made a grant to Cornwall County Council up to £240,000 betwen 2005-08 in support of research into the Cornish language.

However, a distinct identity is not a justification for creating an assembly just for Cornwall. There already is in Cornwall County Council a body that covers the whole county of Cornwall and can represent the interests of the people of Cornwall.


Yours sincerely,

John Powell
CONTACTUS@communities.gsi.gov.uk


http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144143&command=displayContent&sourceNode=144131&contentPK=15039928&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=filtersearch
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Penwithian_in_California Posted: 27.08.2006, 08:28



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However, a distinct identity is not a justification for creating an assembly just for Cornwall. There already is in Cornwall County Council a body that covers the whole county of Cornwall and can represent the interests of the people of Cornwall.


CAN being the operative word..... And of course, within 'British' guidelines.
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Pastymaniac Posted: 27.08.2006, 13:44



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"There already is in Cornwall County Council a body that covers the whole county of Cornwall and can represent the interests of the people of Cornwall. "

But it can't and it's not even meant to.

If the County Council wanted to ban second homes in the county or tax them highly to put people off owning them they it couldn't.

If the County Council thought it was right to put some money into Furniss biscuits to keep the company afloat and save jobs (like Labour did with Rover) they wouldn't have the power.

Neither of those things might be the right thing to do but that's not the point. The British Paliament / Government would have the power to do them, Cornwall County Council doesn't.

A county council is NOT there to represent the interests of the people of Cornwall. It's there to ensure smooth management of certain parts of the Cornish infrastructure.

Whether you're in favour of devolution for Cornwall or against it, to pretend CCC is some kind of alternative to devolution is nonsense.

Rich
http://www.thepasty.com
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 29.08.2006, 15:08

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I received a letter from the gov, the national flags of the UK are the Scots, Welsh, English, Northern Irish and Union Jack.

The St Pirans is not considered a national flag, the only way to put this issue to bed is to change this, if not every time there is a government reshuffle this whole nonsense will crop up again.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 26.11.2006, 16:45

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Truely and international shame on the UK government: http://www.agencebretagnepresse.com/fetch.php?id=5221&title=NATIONAL%20FLAG%20-%20PROGRESS%20IN%20BRITTANY%20BUT%20KERNOW%20STILL%20WAITS
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angofbew Posted: 26.11.2006, 19:21

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I quite simply will fly my National Flag, the Flag of St Piran, when i want. I do not care if this or any other English Scumbag does not recognise it. icon_smile
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nige999 Posted: 02.12.2006, 16:04



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QuoteI quite simply will fly my National Flag, the Flag of St Piran, when i want. I do not care if this or any other English Scumbag does not recognise it.


I am with you 100% on that, brother. Or sister, sorry not sure which you are icon_smile
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Shaz Posted: 02.12.2006, 22:48

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Yes 100%


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