If any of us is to have planning enforcement action taken against by our local authorities, then they must also prosecute themselves. Carrick Council, Cornwall Council and several others all have the Cornish flag flying from their own flagpoles. And it's no use them taking the flag down and denying it was ever there.
They won't act. They have to live here. Ms Cooper doesn't, she's safely 300 miles away. How many people have been prosecuted during the 2 or 3 years since the Cornish flag on car number plates was supposedly outlawed. I think the last count was . . . um . . . none.
Keep flying the flag, boys and girls.
Penwithian-in-California asked why they're so afraid of us. I think it comes down to a question of the ownership of Britain. This lies where it always did - in the hands of its indigenous Celtic people. Supremacist bluster, wealth and balance of power does nothing to change that simple fact. Every celtic nation and people has had this problem - it centres upon us because a) we are small; b) we are regarded as a very desirable piece of real estate that (in the minds of the supremacists) is too good for the people it belongs to - us.
This has always been a bee in the bonnet of the Anglo-Saxon right wing - that, no matter what, they will never own these islands.
Thank you for that, CJenkin - much appreciated and I fully understand your point of view.
However, I have one or two problems:
Firstly, if a legal basis exists for the Cornish Stannary Parliament, even though it has been usurped by Westminster, why not concentrate on that aspect and legally chasllenge the British state to formally recognise it? I am sure the Stannary are looking at ways to do just that. I am sure, too, that they would welcome the support of all Cornish groups, organisations and people in that aim and it frankly seems strange to me that the Constitutional Convention appears to be oblivious to that very real issue, an issue with which the British state seems to be so scared.
Secondly, why should a devolved Assembly, at some stage in the probably very distant future, take on the responsibility of the Stannary Parliament when the one which we already possess could be doing it soon, after a legal challenge?
Thirdly, why should a Cornish Assembly be more likely to be achieved, bearing in mind the resounding "No" Prescott and his lackeys have given to this appeal. The "No" was even more surprising bearing in mind the 60,000 people who signed the petition. So much for democracy!
My own view is that legal means should be found to challenge the system. I don't think it will be possible to mount an effective challenge in the biased English courts. Any challenge will need to be mounted in one of the European courts in which independence and fairness is guaranteed.
Somebody in Liskeard told me that the Stannary Parliament have had some success in this area. I don't know if it is true but think it could be a very exciting time ahead for us all, bearing in mind the trouble the Stannary has caused to the British state over the years. Perhaps, somebody will enlighten us on this possibility?
Right - here comes constructive (I hope) criticism and also positive support and encouragement.
Eckythump, reet gradley tha knaws. Appen as Lanky's not so well eard.
It damn well does, mate. Not entirely separate, but neither is Kernow's
Not so totally different. The Monarch, as Duke of Lancaster, is operating in a different capacity from her role over England proper.
The territory has been carved up but they aren't in the main disputing it. The Friends of Real Lancashire are, though:
http://www.forl.co.uk/003/index.html
Get out of here! There are Devon this and Devon that, Bedfordshire (ever heard of Bedfordshire Skittles, and Bedfordshire clangers? Completely unique) this and that etc. All sorts of English counties and regions have organisations promoting their own culture.
The Lancashire Red Rose is NOT the Tudor Rose ( which should be banned everywhere). All regional flags (such as the Lancashire Red Rose) represent "minority" populations in the UK - not that most of them are bothered, though.
Fair point regarding Lancashire as such. There is at least Lancaster (Pennsylvania) though. Lancastrian contributions are more related to industrial technology applied across Europe.
OK; (you'll like this, and may be pleasantly surprised)
I'm not trying to be cynical. The situation is that some of the Cornish Nationalist people seem to have embraced all-out Anglophobia, when in fact many of the problems of contemporary Kernow are in fact applicable across the UK, it's just that they peak in kernow. (e.g. House price - income ratio). I'm also fully aware that the National Curriculum seems to omit any British (including Kernewek) or Gaelic involvement in UK history - bad enough for England, let alone the UK. The thing is, if you'd just see it, is that there are common issues here.
I was fortunate - I had a non-Anglocentric education - learnt all about the Celtic church, the Welsh, the Anglo-Saxon kings being essentially warlords (not heroes); and who was the inventor of the first successful steam locomotive? Trevithick! (always described to me as a Cornishman). On top of this my parents took me on holiday all over the UK, including Iona, St Davids (Wales/Cymru) - and Kernow - explaining to me that it had its own Ancient British language and some folk there didn't regard it as part of England.
I'm not at all anti-Kernow and certainly believe that the Cornish should be able to fly the Gwyn ha Du with impunity.
I intend to go after politically the macro-scale issues which disadvantage all of us from the Lizard to the Shetland Islands. This includes the principle of subsidiarity, in respect of regional and local government. It's up to Kernow, though, to make its own mark within this framework. Over to you, MK
Merely a dialect of the language of the majority, English. One that is not included within the Council of Europe's Chater for Regional or Minority Languages.
Cornwall's folklore and traditions are Celtic. Lancashire's folklore, customs and traditions are not. The only English influence is that which has ocurred relatively recently, as in the instance of the portrayal of the saint slaying the dragon at Furry Day. I am afraid you are wrong on that one.
Partially correct. Very easy for the Monarch to fulfill a slightly different role, as Duke, in her realm. However, In Cornwall's case, when there is a duke, she exercises no writ in Cornwall and is required to seek permission from her son, the Duke of Cornwall, before she sets foot in the Duchy. The writ of exchequer, the privileges of foreshore, intestacy, bona vacantia, wrecks, wines and royal fish are exercised in Cornwall alone by the Duke who would be acting illegally if he did the same anywhere else in the UK. A completely different situation altogether and one which is linked directly to Cornwall's undisputed status as independent kingdom in the past. Lancashire has no such claim.
That might be so but....
these people do not claim to be an oppressed minority seeking recognition under the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities. Neither do they claim to be anything other than a "county", presumably of England. In Cornwall's case, some of us are aware that Cornwall existed as a nation/kingdom before England became a reality. That was not the case with Lancashire or any other English county.
Now you get out of here! Devon this? Devon that? What do you mean? I'll bet you'll be telling us that the Bedfordshire clangers follow the traditions of the Welsh, Bretons and Cornish and actively promote the recognisedBedforshire language next! You get out of here!
Didn't say it was the Tudor Rose! However, I must agree with your comments about that detested symbol. What other indigenous ethnic/cultural minority populations are there in the UK that have a recognised minority language associated with their area of residence, apart from Wales, Cornwall and Scotland? Your definition of minority is clearly at odds with the official definitions associated with conventions.
Is it any wonder that some Cornish nationalists have strong feelings against the English? It was the English, afterall, that ethnically cleansed them to the point that their language nearly died out. It is the English majority parliament/government that has denied them their history, their language, their constitutional status, along with the associated rights s and privileges. It is the English Duchy of Cornwall that has sucked the life-blood from its veins to the point that it is now reliant upon European handouts. It is English nationalists/supremacists that are trying to impose their will, even on this Cornish forum, in attempts to denude the Cornish of their status as a minority of the UK, etc, etc. Is it any wonder that some Cornish people feel this way?
Not when you hear the rhetoric here, "full of sound and fury.." as Shakespear has it..
And I quote..
Please, when was Cornwall "ethnically cleansed"?
Meaningless. unless you are able to qualify it, it remains "full of sound and fury.."
Yet the nationalists here all want the status of Dutchy to remain, and cite it as the reason for the independence of Cornwall, cognitive dissonance or what?
You are presumably referring to your English nationalist/supremacist friends as they seem to be the ones who peddle in rhetoric.
After 1549. Plenty of text book references, most of which are posted on this site, which testify to the slaughter that ocurred at this time. Up to 50% of the population was butchered or died of starvation following the ravishings of one murdering bastard by the name of Sir Anthony Kingston.
The process continues to this very day - not by slaughter and murder - but simply by denying, as you constantly seems to do, the Cornish the right to their non-English, Celtic identity and their right to be an indigenous national minority of the UK, along with the associated benefits.
That, my friend, is a statement of fact. English behaviour, political, miltary and judicial in this regard is on the record. It is not the Scottish, or the Welsh, or anyone else apart from the English overlords which have led to this situation. The English are the majority afterall and up until recently have done as they wished. Actually, they can't do that anymore now that their parliament is no longer supreme.
Actually, it's spelt, "Duchy" now. Some of us do simply because its very existence shows up the mess in which the English legal system is buried. Now that sovereignty of the English dominated Westminster parliament has been handed over to the European institutions which are very much more tuned into human rights and equality before the law, Cornish "nationalists", as you describe them will be able to pursue legal actions in those courts, rather than in the biased, festering cess-pit English ones.
One day, Cornish patriots will send HRH packing and then we shall see what happens!
So you are a hypocrit? Where is the substance to this assertion? Your record on this forum sums it up
Nope, empty rhetoric is practiced by those who claim Cornwall was "ethnically cleansed" but cannot back it up.....
Wrong again.
4000, were killed in the prayer book rebellion, let's not forget a proportion of those were from Devon. "The rebels were largely farmers armed with little more than pitchforks and the mercenary arquebusiers killed over a thousand rebels at Crediton, then murdered 900 unarmed people at Clyst St Mary. 1,300 were slaughtered at Sampford Courtenay and 300 died at Fenny Bridges.")
The Cornish speaking population (according to Ken George) was around 39,000.
I think your maths needs working on...
Oh dear, we have another fantasist on our hands, or rather the cowardly return of an old favourite under a new "sock puppet" name. (How come he knows s-o-o-o-o much about me after just 23 posts?)
So then Mr Hunlef, can you point out to me where I have denied the Cornish their; "non-English, Celtic identity and their right to be an indigenous national minority of the UK, along with the associated benefits."
Of course I recognise that this will be point where you play the Cornish nationalist "get out of jail free" card; "everybody knows you do" "it's all over the forum" "you've done it loads of times" "I am a Cornish Nationalist, I don't need to prove what I say"...
Really, when did the Scots and Welsh stop voting in the British elections?
LOL!!
Bugger, I must stop doing that, my apologies to all...
Ermm..can anyone translate this for me?
Then you'll no longer be a Duchy, and one of the main thrusts of the devolution debate will be gone...
Well you made the lunatic assertion, not me, so what's your point..
That comment reveals you to be someone returned as a sock puppet, do we get a prize if we guess who?
Topic already dealt with on this forum ad nauseum.
"A proportion of those were from Devon" - How many? Does Ken George tell you this?
10% of the male, working population were butchered. Families were consequently left without breadwinners - women, children and elderly people died of starvation. It is estimated that 50% of the Cornish population were wiped out. Is that in Ken George's writings?
I know so much about you because I have read many of your postings on this forum. I don't know who you are and have no wish to get to know you. However, it intrigues me why people like you spend so much time on forums such as this when you clearly have so much antipathy towards the Cornish minority. Of course, you claim to require proof and substance but only in regard to those of us who are Cornish "nationalists" in your opinion and, unfortunately, you never apply such strict requirements to your own submissions. I am afraid that mere assertions such as, "wrong", "Cornish Nationalist get out of jail free card" simply are not good enough. It is you who need to look at the quality of your own material. But don't worry mee 'andsome, I am sure that most Cornish people on this forum couldn't give a rat's arse about your drivel. Keep it coming, pard, cos it gives us all a great opportunity to shoot you down!
You may laugh, mee andsome, but your parliament handed sovereignty to Europe a few years ago. Oops! I nearly forgot to adduce the substance. Let me see.....here it is! The Factor Tame case.
Read it again, it's perfectly understandable. Usual English/Brit nationalist response to something they find unpalatable.
But we most certainly will not be part of England and the legal posion will revert to the Common Law and Law of Custom. The Cornish parliament, being part of customary law (which is, as you will know, of overriding significance). So, there is something for you to get your nationalist nut around! I can't wait for you to bite on that one!
I referred to an earlier assertion by you - trying to be too clever is no good for you - it makes you look stupid. Read the posting - get the point.
Talking in riddles, I don't understand your point.
Coverage of my stand regarding my right to fly the flag of St. Piran covered on Pirate FM radio 29 July, 2006 which featured an interview with me.
News of this has also reached a Breton newspaper as under:
CORNISH FURY OVER FLAG BAN
CORNISH FURY OVER FLAG BAN
Cornish nationalists are incensed at a ruling that those wishing to fly the Cornish National Flag (St. Piran's Cross) need 'official permission' under planning regulations and if successful will have to pay a hefty £75 fee.
Michael XXXXX has pledged to campaign against this absurdity and has defiantly promised that his National flag will remain flying without permission or fees.
Nationalists within Cornwall are already promising support to confront this planning permission absurdity and those in the other Celtic countries wishing to indicate their support should contact Cornish organisations.
The Cornish flag issue is reminiscent of a similar struggle in Mannin over twenty years ago to ensure that Mann's National Flag was flown and the Union flag binned. That battle was less to do with planning and more a consequence of a 'west Brit' mentality which as recent manifestations of the St. George's Cross show is still prevalent.
Good luck, Freekernow! Remember the saying by an old (English) soldier, "They don't like it up 'em!
BTW, I've told my local authority that I, too, wish to be prosecuted under the Town and Country Planning Act.
Unfortunately, in my case, this authority does not appear to have the stomach for a fight in the courts. However, I am looking at ways in which they could be tempted to take enforcement action, provided, of course, that "it is expedient to do so".
More support from our Celtic cousins in Wales and the USA...
PLANNING TO FLY A FLAG? BETTER GET PERMISSION 11:00 - 26 July 2006 - Thousands of patriotic Cornishmen were facing the renewed threat of investigation by council planning inspectors last night - after the Government confirmed that planning permission is needed to fly the flag of St Piran.
Guidance issued by the Planning Minister Yvette Cooper yesterday included a slight relaxation of the controversial rules governing the flying of flags. But although the EU flag, the United Nations flag and the Commonwealth flag have been added to the list of "national" flags that can be flown without permission, the famous Cornish emblem has not.
The decision means that thousands of Cornish households flying the distinctive black and white flag of St Piran without planning permission could face enforcement action and fines.
"Cyfarchion Cornubian, this sounds like an excellent cause that Cornish Celts can campaign about. If I have understood correctly that it is illegal to fly St Piran's flag then I suggest the Cornish should fly it at every opportunity; force the issue fly it from cars from windows from private building, the bigger the flag the better stuff it in their faces and see what happens if they do prosecute which is highly unlikely then you have your cause highlighted and attention is brought to the issue. Make t shirts with the flag on them, put posters up etc.. increase the visibility of the flag. Be provocative or you'll be ignored.
The English state is good at avoiding visible causes; that is causes that can unite celtic people and if it is pushed you'll probably win this one, ally it with the Cornish CENSUS TICK BOX issue and you have the legitimate cause that CORNISH IDENTITY IS BEING DELIBERATELY ERASED."
They don't like it up 'em. If you want it in Cornish - Na wrons y gara yn lagas an dyn - "They don't like it in the eye of the arse". Any T-shirt printers out there? I already own one with: "Nyns of vy Sawsnek" on the front and "Kernow of vy" on the back.
I think the banning if the flag (well, it was never really legal in the first place) and any subsequent court action could be one of the best scenarios of galvanising Cornish support.
It's usually the smaller items like this that get people's backs up the most. Also, it's a freedom that many can associate with.
My biggest worry is the Devon flag lot jumping on the bandwagon and making our case much more difficult. I know their flag in a BBC conjured farce but they will say 'we are Celtic, why can't we have a flag, It's not fair."
Airport closure was 'responsible'
The Civil Aviation Authority says the decision to close Newquay Airport was difficult but responsible.
Christmas tree is really rubbish
A giant Christmas tree made from recycled plastic bags and bottles goes on display at the Eden Project in Cornwall.
NEWQUAY AIRPORT CLOSURE: “HEADS MUST ROLL”
Stephen Gilbert, the prospective local MP for Newquay, has said that “heads must roll” over the unexpected closure of Newquay Airport and has called for a full enquiry into what went wrong.
Important Information regarding Air Southwest flights to/from Newquay Airport.
We have been advised that Newquay Airport will be closed from 1 December to 19 December 2008 inclusive. This is due to issues with the handover of air traffic control from the RAF to the airport authority.
English Heritage get one thing right at least
English heritage have joined with a variety of other organisations in opposing the planned incinerator in St. Dennis on grounds that they have failed to recognise or address the impact that the proposals will have on the wider landscape of St. Dennis.
MANX GOVERNMENT SUFFER WORST HUMILIATION BY THE UK IN LIVING MEMORY
The Isle of Man government and its Chief Minister have been shown to be inept and marginalised following comments from the United Kingdom Prime Minister and his Chancellor Alistair Darling over the past few weeks.
Population is older and lonelier
People living in Devon and Cornwall are generally older and lonelier than elsewhere in the UK, a BBC survey finds.
Grey majority rules in Cornwall
Cornwall has the highest proportion of retirement age residents in the UK, according to a BBC survey.
