Mr Jenkin Abednego is trying a populist tactic of scare mongering.
The Cornish language movement will eventually result in a Cornish speaking mafia controlling Cornwall and possibly the world. They will force our good clean English children to speak their tongue.
As someone you would describe as a nationalist I want autonomous government for Cornwall. The people of Cornwall would vote for the party they wanted to form the government. Do you think the Cornish populace would vote for a party that made Cornish compulsory in Schools or a necessary employment condition? Even if they did would could you say about a democratic choice?
Sorry but you are going to have to refresh my memory.
In fact, the vast majority of English people are simply NOT responsible for this, not even ancestrally.
The history is fully available, although seldom told, it takes some digging. My understanding of the constitutional status of the Duchy of Cornwall is that it remains intact, along with any rights or priveleges (I don't think there are many of those for the average Cornishman).
I thought your argument was that it wasn't English - this doesn't make sense.
Collapsing commodities prices? Dwindling fish stocks?
Well I'm English, (not nationalist) but I thought I might get something more positive from this
I'll come clean - I couldn't really give a stuff about flying a Lanky Red Rose, I was just argueing a point (the identity is there, mind). It's a bit of a shock to say the above quote and then get the anti-English diatribe.
Incidentally:
Actually, both Cornwall's and Lancashire's folklore, customs and traditions are a mixture, including Celtic and English influences (evidently some are pan-North European and indistinguishable). Admittedly many of Lancashire's Celtic influences are recent imports, on the back of migration, from Wales and Ireland but they're an established part of the scene. We're not quite as culturally different as you seem to think. We must surely be able to see eye to eye though, in agreement with the CSP and John Angarrack, that a history that covers "Romans, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings" while missing out the Britons and the Gaels is a travesty. Time for action there I think.
No, I’m just asking questions. It’s a normal way of finding things out.
Frankly, I think they are obvious questions that would occur to anyone involved in or interested in everyday life in Cornwall, especially people who, with their families, live and work here and therefore might be affected. “What does this policy mean for me and my family and neighbourhood ?” is a question at the centre of all politics.
And, actually, on this very forum I read that Welsh is compulsory in all schools in Wales. I think that would prompt anyone with any nous to ask about future plans for schools in Cornwall.
Thank you, cj. Your response is clear, and therefore helpful, in saying Cornish would be optional not compulsory for school pupils. I cannot find that statement on the county council website which I had looked at. It will be interesting to see how schools accommodate Cornish on their timetables and what the immediate and eventual takeup is.
I think, by the way, “not provided on the curriculum,” which applies to many things, is not what most people would mean by “denied.”
flb, the letter to Ms Cooper of 27 July, which I assumed was yours as it was posted on the forum under your name and had no other writer’s name attached to it, said of St Piran’s flag that it
was flown at the Battle of Agincourt in 1415 by Cornish longbowmen
If it wasn’t your letter but some other unnamed person’s, sorry. In which case perhaps you could ask him/her for the source.
An article in Encyclopædia Britannica tells that the flag was carried by the Cornish contigent at the Battle of Agincourt (1415). In a history of 1837 Saint Piran's flag was described as the "standard of Cornwall", and another of 1880 which said that: "The white cross of St. Piran was the ancient banner of the Cornish people."
Source: Heraldry Society Flag Section Newsletter, Autumn 1969.
That is true, it is compusory from the age of 5 through to 16, and it is embarrassing when my young nieces and nephews pick me up on my grammar when I talk with them.
You asked for the source of the information and I have given it to you.
It's all too easy for some people to continually ask questions whilst sitting on their butts expecting someone else to do the work. Now you do some research and if you are that interested buy the books like I had to.
Well said, Curnow. I've said excatly the same on othe threads. Have you noticed that they generally don't give us the sources for their anti-Cornish outbursts?
Re: flag-flying. I see from last night's Spotlight that Devon County Council have decided to stick a middle digit up to Ms Cooper and fly their new Plymouth Argyle supporters flag without planning permission - a rather pointed massage to the rest of the local authorities to leave well alone, or get a load of trouble for their pains.
This is disappointing, Curnow. Saying just “the Encyclopedia Britannica” is not giving an adequate source. It is like saying “It’s in a book in the library.”
There are various editions of that encyclopedia and different volumes. If I count right, fifteen editions and 299 volumes according to here:
Saying one should buy "the" book is unconvincing in these circumstances.
Have you actually seen the article in situ in the encyclopedia yourself? If so, it is the work of moments to say exactly where the article can be accessed (edition, volume, page) and to indicate whether a primary source is given by the article. If you haven’t seen the encyclopedia article yourself, why not just say so? Either way, I see no problem.
The 1415 claim was made in a letter posted on this forum. I think it is reasonable to ask for chapter and verse so that the claim can be verified or disproved. I don’t see any difficulty here: one should be willing to say fully where one got one’s information. How can one see whether a claim is true or false or indeterminable unless one can scrutinise the primary (and secondary) sources? I don’t see a problem in sharing information; why would there be? It’s surely in all our interests to have claims, whatever they are, fully sourced so people can judge for themselves. I hope full sourcing will become standard practice on the forum.
But I do appreciate your indicating that it's somewhere in Encyclopedia Britannica that the 1415 statement appears.
Abednego, the latest information from back in 1415 is that the Cornish contingent weren’t actually at the Battle of Agincourt but were camping in the next field and went over to complain about the noise. They only got involved that way.
Ps. On a slightly more serious note, I also read somewhere that a banner with Cornish Wraslers on was also carried into the battle and no I don’t have a reference for it.
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