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Banning of An Baner Kernewek

administrator Posted: 06.12.2004, 11:07



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Seneth an stenegow kernow
CORNISH STANNARY PARLIAMENT
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5th December 2004


The Editor,


Dear Sir,

POLICY STATEMENT – Freedom to fly the Cornish Flag of St. Piran

(a white cross on a black ground representing pure white tin on black furnace ashes)


With reference to recent reports of the government’s intention to require planning permission for the flying of the Cornish flag of St.Piran while exempting the flag of St.George and the national flags of the world, I attach a copy of our press release of 25th April 1995, in which, the Cornish Stannary Parliament affirms the right of Cornish people to fly their flag.

The Cornish Stannary Parliament statement, made nearly ten years ago, is equally applicable today. Our reference, at that time, to Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights, “Freedom of expression�, has, meanwhile, been incorporated into the Human Rights Act 1998 and, it would appear, planning regulations in respect of flying flags, made prior to the passing of the Human Rights Act 1998, have not been amended to comply with its provisions.


Yours sincerely,



E.R.Nute,
Keeper of the Seal,
for and on behalf of the,
Cornish Stannary Parliament.

Attached:- Policy statement of 25th April 1995.

For further information contact:-

The Stannary Information Office on 01209-710938





Cornish Stannary Parliament CSP
LOGO
1995

The Cornish Stannary Parliament, in order to protect the right of the Cornish people to express their national identity by flying their national flag, have enacted,


Resolution 12.4 of 25th April 1995, to effect and confirm;


THE FREEDOM TO FLY THE FLAG OF SAINT PIRAN

“Any person resident in Cornwall is entitled to fly the flag of Saint Piran, (a symbol of the Patron Saint of tinners with his white cross on a black ground being the historic and recognised emblem of Cornwall), on his or her private property, without interference by public authorities, provided always that the display carefully avoids any danger to public safety�.

This right is affirmed under Act 5 of “The Constitution of Cornwall� which incorpOrates the European Convention of Human Rights. Article 10, confirmed by all civilised states, asserts; “Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority�.

The quotation of this Act shall be taken as authority to fly the flag of Saint Piran anywhere in Cornwall subject to the requirements of public safety.

Passed into Stannary Law this 25th day of April 1995 under the authority of the Seal of the Couiunitatis Staugnatorum Cornubia and signed by its appointed keeper, for and on behalf of the twenty—four Stannators of the Cornish Stannary Parliament,




E.R.Nute,
Keeper of the Seal. CSP seal
Kennel Mill, Kennal Vale,
Ponsanooth, Truro,
Cornwall TR3 7HL
Telephone:— 01209—000000 was 1995) – (now 2004:- 01209-710938)
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administrator Posted: 06.12.2004, 11:13



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A nation is not necessarily a sovereign state. Nations can exist within sovereign states. There are such things as 'nation states', but England is not one. 1707 Act of Union rendered England and Scotland constitutionally united and indivisible within the UK. Wales is not legally a country, as incorporated within England in 1536 [Hence no Welsh Flag in Union Flag]. Under 'freedom of expression' law Cornish Flag has as much right to be flown as Welsh, Scottish and English Flag. All bluff and bluster. It is doubtful that the [UK] State will attempt to enforce this law.
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AndyQ Posted: 06.12.2004, 11:25



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Yes Stroppy i do get it, that is what i writ in my original posting before i edited it. What it boils down to is that an baner is banned from being flown by anyone until planning permission is granted. But, if the flag is of a nation, then it can be flown without permission and Kernow is legally a nation, there is the problem.
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Mike Posted: 06.12.2004, 14:15

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THANKS Administrator for the information

Kernow bys Vyken (hewel!)
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 06.12.2004, 15:14

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Stroppy the "Cornish" are a nation. The EU has called for us to be recognised as such and Westminster is deliberating.

No matter what, many Cornish myself included will continue to claim our right to define ourselves as we see fit, proudly display our national emblems, protect and promote our identity and culture and refer to Cornwall as a Country incorrectly administered as a county.

The law is more to do with what flag you can fly from an existent pole.
Permission is now needed to fly the Cornish flag in Cornwall but not to fly the flag of Kazakhstan 'for example' from a pole already permitted.
You always have had to get permission to erect a flag pole but not the type of flag you flew from it.
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Stan Posted: 06.12.2004, 19:22



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I must admit as someone who has never flown a flag be it St Piran, St George or the union that the gov't position on this is absolutley crass. They almost make me feel Dyawlesque!

I think people will be more inclined to fly the flag out of pique. I am almost inclined. Re Mr Nute's missive, I don't think it will have much effect.

On another matter best wishes to Mike on his forthcoming move to the 'homeland.' Who knows now that I am there more often, we might yet have a drink over old times!
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xxxxxx Posted: 06.12.2004, 21:08



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Right, which part of this;

QuoteNo one has banned the Cornish flag.
You can still fly the Cornish flag.
You have to apply for planning permission for a flagpole for it.


do you lot not understand?

Is it beyond the wit and igenuity of the Cornish, as it would seem from some of the bleating going on here, to find a way round this ruling?

THE CORNISH FLAG HAS NOT BEEN BANNNED FOR GODS SAKE.

You lot want and assembly, you want nationhood, but a minor event like this sends you into a tailspin of handwringing and gnashing of teeth, no wonder you're in the state you are. Pathetic.
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Mike Posted: 06.12.2004, 21:52

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Strop - do you suffer from Prader-Willi Syndrome?
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xxxxxx Posted: 06.12.2004, 22:35



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I suffer from Cornish foolishness, but not gladly, more like!
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AndyQ Posted: 06.12.2004, 23:10



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Stroppy, we are banned from flying the flag until we get permission, so the Cornish flag is banned from being flown unless we comply with English bureaucracy.

How dare you say the Cornish are pathetic, i'm begining to think that there is a possibility you really are anti Cornish.
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troll Posted: 06.12.2004, 23:36



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Oh dear. I think the equivilent of Godwin's law on this board is the "anti-Cornish" jib. Shall we call it Quantick's law?
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xxxxxx Posted: 07.12.2004, 01:30



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Andy, YOU ARE NOT BANNED FROM FLYING THE FLAG!!

You cannot erect a flagpole without plannning permission.

Fly it from a window sill.

Fly it from a tree.

Fly it from a lampost.

Fly it like a kite.

Apply for plannning permission for a flag pole.

THE CORNISH FLAG IS NOT BANNED.

I did not call the Cornish pathetic. I called you moaning Minnies who have taken this piece of minor beaurocracy, and turned it into such a whinge fest, who seem incapable of finding solutions to such a simple thing, pathetic.

And you lot want to have home rule, when you find this such a challenge, yeah godz! Why do the words "piss-up" and "brewery" leap to mind?


No wonder Cornwall is now a minor English county.

Troll,

The only anti-Cornish comments on this board come from those who insist on making the Cornish appear so stupid, lacking in inititiative, and incapable of coping in the real world.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 07.12.2004, 14:54

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Stroppy
What don't you understand about being allowed to fly any national flag (eg of Iran) from an existent flag pole (that many businesses and pubs have already with planning permission).

However if you have a legal flag pole already you have to obtain planning permission to fly the Cornish flag (but remember now, you don't need permission if you want to fly the flag of Tajikistan) .

So if i owned a pub that had had a flag pole for years legally that i could fly a flag from with no problems, if i now wanted i could fly the flag of Paraguay without planning permission, but i could not fly the St Pirans, i would have to get permission to haul that up.

Does not something about that strike you as unjust?

This is not about flag poles, you have always need permission for one of those as far as i know, its about what you fly from it.
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troll Posted: 07.12.2004, 15:33



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"stroppygob"
Troll,

The only anti-Cornish comments on this board come from those who insist on making the Cornish appear so stupid, lacking in inititiative, and incapable of coping in the real world.


I was commenting on the inevitable "anti-Cornish" label that seems to get thrown about on this board. The longer the thread the more likely it is that the insult will be thrown. I guess at some point it must become inevitable that this happens, hence Quantick's law.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 08.12.2004, 10:01

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Troll
We could formulate a similar law for the relationship between length of thread and the amount of time taken for stroppy to become boorish and insulting.
Keep up the good work stroppy, my little Cornish Nationalist in disguise.

Any old who, as i have already responded to Diane, i don't think this is English oppression, its just thoughtless bureaucracy from a government that probably did not even consider Cornwall when passing this law.
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