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xxxxxx Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:04



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You knopw, I was thinking of doing a parody of the types of response people could expect if they did not toe the "pro-Nationalist line here, but then Hunlef came up with this...


QuoteFactual evidence is something Stroppygit wouldn't recognise if it landed on his English nationalist head!

He thinks it sufficient to merely disagree with anything remotely associated with Cornish national minority issues without providing any substance whatsoever. Pontifications are simply not enough mee'andsome, you really do need to try harder.

Perhaps, he might be inclined to start with the drafters of international charters and conventions who, in his warped opinion, have seemingly got things so completely wrong. Let's start with the Council of Europe which recognises the Cornish language, along with the Brit government which does the same. Let's not forget the human rights principles of freedom of expression and association - please explain your warped position on these issues in regard to the Cornish minority. I've looked at the drivel in so many of your postings - I use the word cautiously as it is clear that he tries very hard. However, it is interesting to note that he takes an anti-Cornish stance automatically, even in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.

Unless cogent answers with supporting evidence is adduced, I am afraid that poor old Stroppygit will continue to portray himself as a militant opposed to even the most basic of international human rights principles.

"Pot calling the kettle black, methinks"!

If he doesn't like the Cornish, why does he not join a forum which supports his opinions? It is, IMHO, completely bizarre that someone who now lives in Australia, who claims (?) to be Welsh and who articulates English nationalist sympathies (without adducing a shred of substance) now spends most of his waking life articulating anti-Cornish drivel.

Wake up, Stroppygit, get a life!


and it's perfect..
Lies...

Personal attacks...

Sock puppetry...

You ain't from round here...

Unsubstantiated allegations...



All this in a thread in which I had not insulted anyone, had posted factual and helpful information, had posted links to useful websites (pro-Cornish) and had no axe to grind..


And just to make it entierly perfect, not a single "pro-Nationalist" poster has had the decency to say, "Hang about, that's not true, that's a bit unfar in fact..."



Thanks for saving me the bother Hunlef, that post of yours is a keeper...

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Hunlef Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:10

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But you haven't addressed one single issue to which I referred! Better fit you spent more time with your wife and two children instead of wasting so much time posting drivel and crap on this forum.
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xxxxxx Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:13



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QuoteBut you haven't addressed one single issue to which I referred! Better fit you spent more time with your wife and two children instead of wasting so much time posting drivel and crap on this forum.


Here is the thread, and I'll let people see that Hunlef has again done nothing but lie and give a personal attack, and will not be challenged on it..
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Hunlef Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:19

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1) Where are the lies which I am supposed to have posted about you?

2) Where are the personal attacks I am supposed to have made against you?

You are the one who started asking for substance and who is now, in desperation, attempting miserably to divert attention away from your own inadequacies. There is a plethora of substance, both in all my postings and plastered throughout this web-site. so, it's about time you practicesed precisely what you preach, mee 'andsome.
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Mike Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:33

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Stroppygob, think about the saying 'everybody can't be wrong'. Nearly everybody would be more accurate.

Your postings cause discord, are patronising on purpose and are designed to cause disharmony to a thread. References you use to try and back your invariably twisted views are usually sanitised crap from websites that well, would probably impress my grandmother, but no one else. On matters Cornish, most people are about 6 jumps ahead of you. Because of this you tend to attract a lot of critism.
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xxxxxx Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:33



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1) Where are the lies which I am supposed to have posted about you?

He thinks it sufficient to merely disagree with anything remotely associated with Cornish national minority issues without providing any substance whatsoever

I am afraid that poor old Stroppygit will continue to portray himself as a militant opposed to even the most basic of international human rights principles.

who articulates English nationalist sympathies (without adducing a shred of substance) now spends most of his waking life articulating anti-Cornish drivel.


2) Where are the personal attacks I am supposed to have made against you?

Factual evidence is something Stroppygit wouldn't recognise if it landed on his English nationalist head!

poor old Stroppygit

Wake up, Stroppygit, get a life!



QuoteYou are the one who started asking for substance and who is now, in desperation, attempting miserably to divert attention away from your own inadequacies. There is a plethora of substance, both in all my postings and plastered throughout this web-site. so, it's about time you practicesed precisely what you preach, mee 'andsome.


And so he continues.....
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xxxxxx Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:35



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QuoteYour postings cause discord, are patronising on purpose and are designed to cause disharmony to a thread. References you use to try and back your invariably twisted views are usually sanitised crap from websites that well, would probably impress my grandmother, but no one else. On matters Cornish, most people are about 6 jumps ahead of you. Because of this you tend to attract a lot of critism.

Another fine example of what those who do not toe the line here can expect..


QuoteOn matters Cornish, most people are about 6 jumps ahead of you.
Well you cannot be Mike as everytime I put up a challenge to your views you run away... icon_biggrin
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Mike Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:40

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Six jumps ahead was probably minimalistic; most would be many more.
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xxxxxx Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:42



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Sure Mike, you carry on believing that then, and I'll carry on posting in my own sweet way....
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Mike Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:46

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Great stuff, I'm sure it provides sport to many
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Hunlef Posted: 30.07.2006, 23:53

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You continue to peddle the myth that you hold a moral high ground. Well, if you are so high and mighty, please be so good as to explain where and when I have lied and explain where the personal attacks, which I am supposed to have levied against you, can be perused? This is getting rather tiresome, mee 'andsome.

The copies of my statements which you so kindly re-posted in your previous posting illustrate that I am making perfectly reasonable statements about your position. Now, be a good boy, old chum, and please state precisely where I might have made an error.

Perhaps, I can make it easier for you:

"He thinks it sufficient to merely disagree with anything remotely associated with Cornish national minority issues without providing any substance whatsoever"

Yes, my friend, this is the impression that ordinary, sane people will have gleaned from reading a random sample of your rantings.

"I am afraid that poor old Stroppygit will continue to portray himself as a militant opposed to even the most basic of international human rights principles."

Statement of fact until you can prove otherwise. No good making hollow unsubstantiated claims, you know! I think you understand this point as it was, if my memory is correct, you who has insisted on me supplying substance to back up my statements.

" Factual evidence is something Stroppygit wouldn't recognise if it landed on his English nationalist head!

poor old Stroppygit

Wake up, Stroppygit, get a life! "

Once again, a statement of fact. In regard to it being an insult to your exemplary good name and character - I don't think so! Perhaps, if you would be so kind as to append your real name to your contributions, then that might be an arguable criticism. That having been said you are, in effect, self lampooning yourself in your choice of a "nom de plume" which really does reflect the reality of your status as a right stroppy gob. Of course, your epithet requires only a very quick amendment to morph into something which I am sure many will agree would be very much more suitable for this forum. Oops, I nearly forgot! The substance for such a remark - please take a long, hard look at the drivel which you post to this forum, Stroppygit.
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t Posted: 31.07.2006, 01:02



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QuoteLet's not forget the human rights principles of freedom of expression and association - please explain your warped position on these issues in regard to the Cornish minority.


please explain is it like a moral right?

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Hunlef Posted: 31.07.2006, 10:00

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I think it possible to argue that it is. However, unless one utilises current internationally accepted principles and legislation, that argument would be rather subjective and one would be forced to make a decision (not necessarily the right, moral one) bearing in mind the two sides to the argument. If one side of the debate wishes to take extremist, radical points of view, like Stroppygit, who, on this forum at least shouts very loud on issues of this nature, it might be very difficult to find a middle ground. Fortunately, in dealing with issues relating to national minorities, there are well-defined and respected international laws and agreements which govern the way in which governments and public authorities deal with them. The Freedoms of expression and association are two such principles included within the Human Rights Act. However, that Act only protects individuals (not groups) from abuses of those rights by public authorities and have no import at all upon private individuals like Stroppygit.

The Cornish as a group are very worthy of protection under Council of Europe charters and conventions. If such recognition were forthcoming (and I have no doubt at all that it will eventually come), then Cornish culture will be protected under treaty, a significant improvement in the present situation. Cornish culture will then be legally protected, and the Cornish will not have to bother defending themselves from the extremist, militant, and discriminatory anti-Cornish, English nationalist outbursts, the likes of which Stroppgit frequently posts to this forum.

To make myself perfectly clear, why are the Cornish specifically excluded from the Council of Europe's Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities when other analogous groups are not? In case you were unaware, the British government is now 2 years and 3 months late in submitting its UK Framework Convention Compliance Report to Strasbourg on account of the dilemma it is facing over the Cornish.

Why do Stroppgit's comments, posted throughout this forum imply that he supports the government position?

I await Stroppygit (he who, so he told us recently, requires substance) to post his remarks explaining in detail (that means fully) why the position adopted by Cornish patriots is an unreasonable position to take.
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xxxxxx Posted: 31.07.2006, 22:57



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So more lies from this person who knows so much about my posts here, and on such as short aquaintance too...
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Mike Posted: 31.07.2006, 23:36

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Bit harsh stroppygob; didn't you get suspended for calling a person a liar, some time ago? Some people just do not learn how to conduct themselves!
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