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Coady
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 13:07
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We can all rationalise as much as we want, but I think it depends on how each person FEELS I FEEL British, and I FEEL Cornish, and I feel uncomfortable with the English National Flag, but it doesn't mean I accept without question what some people say I should conform to, to "Be Cornish".
I think Truro Born is having a bit of a laugh. Presuming he is young, he MIGHT change his feelings over the years. Who knows!
Then again, what he says he believes is one end of a spectrum, and we have others here from the opposite end of the same spectrum. Everyone else is somewhere in between.
I have a mate, Singapore born, of Irish and Essex descent who moved to Cornwall two years ago..He has gone mad on Cornwall and anything Cornish, Tartan pants, Clotted cream, any Cornish made beer, Cornish singing, saffron cake, gig rowing...you name it, he's into it with great gusto and enthusiasm. He would argue with Truro Born all night and all day.
I'm struggling how to categorise him now. If he could 'apply for cizenship' and take an oath and a written test he would. You can do that to become a UK citizen, but not Cornish. how strange is that?
Graham.
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angofbew
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 17:28
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To expand on what Coady says, I do not think any of us dislike incomers who adopt our ways. It is the ones who come here and try to change things to the mess they moved from.
The problem with Truro Born is that his beliefs are forced upon those who do not want it so. There is no way out of that positon. For his way to be, then the way of Cornish Nationalism cannot. Those who want Cornwall to be recognised as the Nation she is, with a form of self Government, cannot happen as long Cornwall is still recognised as a part of England. For one side to have their way, just denies the other. Therefore we must go with what is right and Legal to settle it. The right of Cornwall to be a Nation is set within our History, which is why Nationalists are forced to look back. It is not a desire to live in the past, but the way we can see our future, a Cornish future.
Most Nationalist like myself want a better future for both Cornwall and all of it's People. To have our Language, self-determination etc is NOT a step back, we know we cannot go back. We can however have a future that has these things within it. Those we cannot or will not see this are the ones who cannot see. I do not want an English future for Cornwall.
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baillieston
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 17:45
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SEE BELOW SCORE OUT SCOTLAND AND PUT CORNWALL OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT IS FIGHTING FOR ITS INDEPENDENCE AND THAT WHAT NATIONALISM IS ALL ABOUT
The primary aim of the SNP is to take Scotland forward to Independence. Independence means the Scottish Parliament having full control over Scottish affairs, and the right to decide when to share power with others. Devolution is not enough for Scotland. Only Independence would give us the same rights and the same responsibilities as other nations. It would give us a voice on the world stage and a say in international bodies like the UN and EU. And Independence would bring greater freedom for individuals, families and communities, within a society built on common interests.
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kenwyn
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 17:59
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baillieston,
I forget the thread but I was having a debate with Fulub on the subject of independence and the EU. At the present time the UK is part of the EU because of the Treaty of Rome. However if Scotland became independent, and good luck to you in your quest, how do you know you will still be in the EU. You would be a newly independent country and there is already a waiting list of countries wanting to belong to the EU.
I wonder also for that matter would the new UK consisting of England, Wales, N.I and Cornwall be allowed to stay in without a renegotiation of the Treaty which currently binds the UK.
I am not trying to stir things as I would generally like to know so if perhaps yourself or Fulub have an answer I would like to hear it.
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CJenkin
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 18:07
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Kenwyn has made a valid point here - what EFA parties are talking about at the moment is internal enlargement before more external enlargement. This would mean nations like Scotland (& therefore remnants of UK) will be able to join the EU.
Like a fast track - however it is likely that the old imperial states will continue to try to frustrate the demands of the smaller nations.
Flanders and Belgium might test this fairly soon.
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baillieston
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 19:09
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Will Scotland be a member of the European Union?Document Actions Scotland is already in the European Union and this will remain the case after Independence. Article 34 of the 1978 Convention on Succession of States in respect of Treaties says:
"Any treaty in force at the date of succession of states [i.e. Independence] in respect of the entire territory of the predecessor state continues in force in respect of each successor state so formed."
An example worth noting is that of Greenland. When Greenland gained more autonomy from Denmark in 1979, it had to negotiate to be allowed out of the EU.
The 1992 Maastricht Treaty has already conferred on Scots the status of European citizens and the EU will have no more reason to reject an independent Scotland than to reject the independent remainder of the UK.
For the past two decades the overwhelming weight of legal and political opinion has stated that an independent Scotland would inherit EU member ship on exactly the same terms as the rest of the UK. The SNP has consulted widely throughout the EU and we are confident that an independent Scotland would not only remain in the EU as a full member, but would be welcome as such.
Emile Noêl, former Secretary General of the European Commission, has said:
"Scottish Independence would create two new member states out of one. They would have equal status with each other and the other 11 states. The remainder of the United Kingdom would not be in a more powerful position than Scotland."
Eamonn Gallagher, Former Director General of the European Commission and European Community Ambassador to the United Nations backed this view: "In my view, there could be no sustainable legal or political objection to separate Scottish membership of the European Community."
If newly independent nations like Estonia can be members of the EU then so can Scotland.
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freekernow
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 20:00
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The Chief Constable of North Wales Police has been made a Bard of Cymru Gorseth:
After being barded he said: 'although born in England, I have never regarded myself as English. I am a passionately European and passionately pro devolution for Wales'
Can you imagine an authority figure saying that in Kernow ?
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kenwyn
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 20:44
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ballieston,
Thank you for your reply, it becomes clearer now.
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kenwyn
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Posted: 14.08.2006, 20:46
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