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HazelM	Posted: 22.12.2004, 00:11
registered: Dec. 2004 Posts: 54 Status: offline last visit: 28.02.08	For anyone interested, the February 2005 issue of Realm magazine has a nice article about Cornwall. "February 2005"?? Heavens! I've not finished December 2004 yet. At any rate, it is a good article and the pictures are excellent. One sentence intrigues me. "Rather than simply being a county, it -- along with Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittany and the Isle of Man -- is one of the Celtic nations, and legally distinct from the rest of England thanks to a charter dating from 1305." Legally distinct in what way, please? Hazel


administrator	Posted: 22.12.2004, 12:33
registered: Jun. 2003 Posts: 61 Status: offline last visit: 04.11.08	HazelM, there is much to go on here. Basically, Cornwall is a Duchy but more importantly Cornwall was allowed to hold its own parliaments and had jurisdiction to overturn any law passed down from Westminster that it did not agree with. Also, unlike Scotland and Wales, Cornwall was never officially incorporated into the union.


HazelM	Posted: 22.12.2004, 15:26
registered: Dec. 2004 Posts: 54 Status: offline last visit: 28.02.08	I think I hit a wrong button and did not post this. Shall repeat just in case. <<had jurisdiction to overturn any law passed down from Westminster that it did not agree with>> Hmmm? You write in past tense. I take it that this is no longer true? The right was killed later? Thank you for clarification. The Welsh have a song, "Land of My Fathers". I can sing that about Cornwall and intend to learn more about it. Hazel


xxxxxx	Posted: 22.12.2004, 20:54
registered: Sep. 2004 Posts: 2305 Status: offline last visit: 27.03.08	No Hazel, the Welsh have as their national anthem "Mae hen wlad fy nhadau," QuoteMae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi Gwlad beirdd a chantorion enwogion o fri Ei gwrol ryfelwr, gwlad garwyr tra mad Tros ryddid collasant eu gwaed. Gwlad Gwlad, Pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad, Tra mÃƒÂ´r yn fur i'r bur hoff bau O bydded i'r hen iaith barhau The english have a version of it called "Land of my fathers."


AndyQ	Posted: 23.12.2004, 12:47
registered: Aug. 2004 Posts: 733 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	Stroppy, the Welsh national anthem is originally the Celtic anthem and to this day the Breton national anthem uses it obviously in Breton. There is also a Cornish version; Bro Goth Agan Tasow (Old Land of Our Fathers) Bro goth agan tasow, dha fleghes a'th kar! Gwlas ker an howlsedhes, pan vro yw dha bar? War oll an norvys, 'th on ni skoellys a-les, Mes agan kerensa yw dhis. Chorus Kernow! Kernow, y keryn Kernow! An mor, hedra vo Yn fos dhis a-dro, 'Th on onan hag oll rag Kernow! Yn tewlder an bal ha war donow an mor, Pan eson ow-quandra dre dyryow tramor Yn pup le pynak, hag yn kenyver bro, Re-dreylyen colonnow dheso. Chorus Kernow! Kernow, y keryn Kernow! An mor, hedra vo Yn fos dhis a-dro, 'Th on onan hag oll rag Kernow!


AndyQ	Posted: 23.12.2004, 12:59
registered: Aug. 2004 Posts: 733 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	Hazel, Kernow was made a Duchy in 1305, but was always an extra territorial land to England. In the 10th century Athelstan made the river Tamar the border between Saxon Wessex and Celtic Kernow and it's been that way ever since. Tudor maps and documents refer to Britain as being made up of four countries, England, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall. The Mappa Mundi, the medieval world atlas in Hereford cathedral shows Britain made of four countries, again Kernow being one of them. Several maps from the middle ages drawn by Englishmen aswell as Europeans show Kernow as being one of the four nations of Britain. Indeed France at one point in the middle ages was looking at Kernow in a similar way to Ireland, as a back door to an invasion of England because of reports that the Cornish were very different and not welcoming of interference from England.


HazelM	Posted: 25.12.2004, 00:57
registered: Dec. 2004 Posts: 54 Status: offline last visit: 28.02.08	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No Hazel, the Welsh have as their national anthem "Mae hen wlad fy nhadau," Right you are but the words get altered so much as they move from country to country and language to language as witness "Ar Hyd Y Nos" I have a songbook published in 1923 in America (sold for twenty cents if you can believe that). This book has "Men of Harlech" in it. The story and message are identical to what is sung in Wales in both Welsh and English. Yet the words are totally different, using mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, and other words. Many a Welsh hymn has totally different words over here. And, thanks for the Cornish version. I must copy that. Is it sung to same tune? Hazel

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