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Cornwall excluded from Framework convention report..

frenchie Posted: 21.01.2007, 18:05



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Quote"All on the same side" says he who leaves no opportunity untaken to put down MK and the assembly campaign.


I personally have a lot of respect for MK and the work they do, but being realistic, IF (and it is still an if) they didn't reply to the draft framework convention report then it will loose them a lot of credibility. After all, it is still in the 'draft' stage and any feedback at this stage still can have an effect on the final outcome.

If the final outcome is that cornwall is excluded as a national minority then in the future it leaves MK wide open to humiliation if anyone poses the question 'what did MK do about it?' - They are after all, a potential Cornish government to some degree.
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Hunlef Posted: 21.01.2007, 18:20

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so stop coming across as an obsessive bullying little creep because you are doing the Cornish movement a disservice.

You have more neck than a giraffe to say such things - you of all people! You seem to have completely misunderstood all that I have stated on this thread! I would remind you that your critcisms of an apparent friend of yours were completely inappropriate and unwarranted and, for sure, it is you and not me who are doing the disservice by behaving like a petty, spoilt brat! If that is the way you treat your friends and colleagues, I can't imagine how you would behave if you didn't like them!
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It wasn't petty criticism it was constructive comment and to be frank if my comments "discouraged" Dr Hicks, which i somehow doubt, then he is in the wrong place.

Wrong! Your so-called 'constructive comment' was petty and unacceptable but it might have been constructive had you had the balls to inform Dr Hicks personally and not in public on an open forum of this nature. Who the Hell do you think you are? Your behaviour and language on this thread is shedding serious doubts about the other worthwhile comments you have made elsewhere. Don't spoil what is, beyond doubt, an extremely good reputation otherwise.
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Hunlef Posted: 21.01.2007, 18:27

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If the final outcome is that cornwall is excluded as a national minority then in the future it leaves MK wide open to humiliation if anyone poses the question 'what did MK do about it?' - They are after all, a potential Cornish government to some degree.

The fact remains, Frenchie, that, if we can't even get the government to recognise, in a very basic form, the Cornish under the FCPNM, what chance do we have in getting anything else from it, whether that be an assembly, a stannary parliament or whatever?

We should all be concentrating upon the root of all of these problems which is the lack of equality before the law that enables the Duchy to do much as it pleases against the Cornish, to generate a 'private' income for the Duke.

Sort that lot out and you are theoretically home and dry! It is a complete waste of time to devote scarce resources to fighting for a cause the government, under the present conditions relating to the Duchy of Cornwall's profits, will NEVER sanction.

PUT VERY SIMPLY, CORNISH RECOGNITION IS SEEN AS A THREAT TO DUCHY PROFITS
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frenchie Posted: 21.01.2007, 19:09



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It really does make me question the degree of power the royal family still has over British politics.

The general picture in most people's minds is that ultimate power is in the hands of the government and that the royal connection is nothing more than a quaint tradition. This obviously isn't the case; why else would a government so (seemingly) bent on human rights, fairness for all minorities etc etc still bend over backwards (forwards?) to support such outdated and unfair practices of HRH in Cornwall.

When nicking a few signs can bring about a PII order, the activities of the Duke of Cornwall must always be a primary issue in Cornwall's future.

It is a very unique situation indeed.
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frenchie Posted: 21.01.2007, 19:10



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"CORNISH RECOGNITION IS A THREAT TO DUCHY PROFITS"

That would make a good t-shirt.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 22.01.2007, 10:43

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QuoteI would remind you that your criticisms of an apparent friend of yours were completely inappropriate and unwarranted


Rubbish, they were not criticism just minor points to be ignored if wanted.

QuoteI would remind you that your criticisms of an apparent friend of yours were completely inappropriate and unwarranted and, for sure, it is you and not me who are doing the disservice by behaving like a petty, spoilt brat!


Says he who is so quick to insult and put down other Cornish folk who happen to have a different opinion. You think you are helping by driving away people who don't think like you is that it?

Quotehad you had the balls to inform Dr Hicks personally and not in public on an open forum of this nature.


What you honestly think I was scared about contacting the CSP? Seeing as Dr Hicks is so busy I thought my comments would be picked up quicker by Frenchie and Shaz and that they would then be able to zoom though the letter and correct the very minor mistake in spelling. The other points i made were just for discussion and out of curiosity.

QuoteWho the Hell do you think you are? Your behaviour and language on this thread is shedding serious doubts about the other worthwhile comments you have made elsewhere. Don't spoil what is, beyond doubt, an extremely good reputation otherwise.


You lecturing me about my language is rich indeed. Again take your comments and shove them; do we understand each other hunlef?
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grum Posted: 22.01.2007, 11:18

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Easy chaps and chappesses! :shock:

I have to say I think FLB had a point about the spelling although perhaps it wasn't worded as sensitively as it could have. I thought yous were all on the same team? Banning/flaming criticism, constructive or otherwise, really isn't going to get you anywhere.

Think about it, if you are trying to convince people to take you seriously you need to avoid semi-humorous typo's just in case they detract from the real issues.

The target audience are clearly well indoctrinated with state supremacy; you can't really afford to give them any distractions.

Good letter though, very comprehensive. Any reply yet?
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Hunlef Posted: 22.01.2007, 11:38

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I thought yous were all on the same team? Banning/flaming criticism, constructive or otherwise, really isn't going to get you anywhere

Of course, Grum - you are quite right. We are on the same side and we should all learn from this experience.

The most important lesson being that we should all be careful (including Dr Hicks) about the terminology we employ. Having said that, I think that Dr Hicks' use of 'Objection' instead of 'Objective' was an honest mistake that could not possibly have been picked up by any spell-checker - I certainly didn't pick up any others in his excellent document myself.

The second lesson to be learnt is that we don't criticise in public, those who are doing their utmost and very best to stand up for Cornwall. To do so only undermines the standing of those individuals concerned in the public's eye and lessens the impact of the argument.

Having said that, I will not make any further points in this regard as, in order to practice what I preach, I do not wish to undermine Fulub's work for the Cornish. His recod is exemplary in this regard and he deserves praise for it! I hope that he will feel the same about my contributions which are, unlike his, less in the public eye but which I feel are equally deserving!
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 22.01.2007, 14:41

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Happy to let it slide!

People who have things of the utmost importance to say and critical positions to defend need, sometimes, to consider how they go about this, and perhaps occasionally we need a taste of our own medicine to be reminded of this.

Yes! lets work together, lets really work together.
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Hunlef Posted: 22.01.2007, 14:51

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frenchie Posted: 23.01.2007, 21:42



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Reply letter from the CSP
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Hunlef Posted: 23.01.2007, 23:46

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 27.01.2007, 16:55

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MK do support the Cornish for coverage by the FCPNM.

http://www.mebyonkernow.org/Public/Stories/160-1.shtml

http://www.mebyonkernow.org/Public/Stories/26-1.shtml
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Hunlef Posted: 27.01.2007, 17:28

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That is certainly re-assuring to know, Fulub. I wonder whether MK will publish on its web-site any criticisms it has made about the government's draft UK Compliance Report to the Council of Europe?

The contact at the Council of Europe to whom comments should be made concerning the UK's wholly unacceptable report is:

elena.jurado@coe.int

and not the contact on the MK site, although info sent there will probably get to the right individual eventually, Ms Jurado is the person who has responsibility for dealing with the UK's report in the Council of Europe.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 27.01.2007, 17:46

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I hope so Hunlef, i think they need a new updated story on the FCPNM, perhaps one is in the pipeline?
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