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grum Posted: 14.02.2007, 10:42

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I'm having no trouble grasping what lyskerrys is saying and in the main I agree.

Everyone has their areas in which they are skilled, but sadly for most people this isn't legal jargon and disseminating the implications within pages of documentation.

Put it in layman's terms or it is just a little back-slapping session with everyone else looking on perplexed.

Other people who are pro-cornish but cannot get to grips with the lengthier postings but do have good people skills would be the ideal recipients of the condensed version of events, as they could spread the word. Keping it as is seems akin to keeping the bible in latin to me; to whom does this benefit?
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lyskerrys Posted: 14.02.2007, 12:23



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HunlefI see Lyskerrys has once again failed to come up with the goods.

Far from condemning government propaganda (in his eyes, its a 'polished' UK FCPNM Compliance report) and exposing the lies therein, all he can do is criticise those people who have grasped the nettle and who are actually doing something positive about it!


To quote Hunlef herself, "You must be pretty stupid" "or you have the attention span of a slug" for ignoring my previous post: I am not criticising the work being done, but the way it is being presented to the public. Perhaps in future you could do me the courtesy of actually reading my posts before responding.
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Hunlef Posted: 14.02.2007, 15:42

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HunlefI see Lyskerrys has once again failed to come up with the goods.

Far from condemning government propaganda (in his eyes, its a 'polished' UK FCPNM Compliance report) and exposing the lies therein, all he can do is criticise those people who have grasped the nettle and who are actually doing something positive about it!


To quote Hunlef herself, "You must be pretty stupid" "or you have the attention span of a slug" for ignoring my previous post: I am not criticising the work being done, but the way it is being presented to the public. Perhaps in future you could do me the courtesy of actually reading my posts before responding.


And you have the gaul to suggest that I do not read your posts! You have more neck than a giraffe, Lyskerrys, my boy! Now come on, tell us about everything that you have done to convince the government and the Council of Europe that the Cornish should be included within the FCPNM. That is clearly what Sentinel and others, of which you have been so critical, have been doing, so please explain your position. Surely, you have done something to assist?

'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
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democratic-english-man Posted: 14.02.2007, 16:02



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People who live in this area are and have always been English. There are no real facts or information indicating otherwise. So how could you ever be a minority?

Get with it your English.
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sentinel Posted: 14.02.2007, 16:09



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I hope no one rises to the fascist's bait
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democratic-english-man Posted: 14.02.2007, 16:12



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Hey that is rude, I am no fascist
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sentinel Posted: 14.02.2007, 17:25



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For those that are interested there is still time to contact the Council of Europe Framework Convention Advisory Committee before they meet to consider the UK 2nd Report on 20th February.

Contact details can be found by scrolling back through previous submissions.

Remember the absurdities of existing UK Convention implemenatation i.e. a Chinese businessman lands at Cornwall's Newquay Airport to find that his state-sponsored culture and billion speaking language community are protected and promoted by UK taxpayers under a Convention designed to keep alive threatened European cultures; whilst the endangered identity, language, history and culture of the small indigenous European community he arrives amongst is excluded from the Convention.

[Comments 162, 2nd report and 189, 1st report reveal UK Convention compliance taking the shape of funding for "peripatetic Chinese language teachers" and "Chinese New Year Festivities"].






edited by: sentinel, Feb 14, 2007 - 04:28 PM
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Hunlef Posted: 15.02.2007, 08:09

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Has Lyskerrys taken this opportunity to contact key decision makers at the Council of Europe? Has the inveterate poster, known as Masterclass, done the same? Please confirm that you have made such a move.

'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
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Masterclass Posted: 15.02.2007, 08:37



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This reminds me very much indeed of the "I'm doing my bit" episodes in the most excellent Starship Troopers.

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Masterclass Posted: 15.02.2007, 08:43



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This reminds me very much indeed of the "I'm doing my bit" episodes in the most excellent Starship Troopers.

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Hunlef Posted: 15.02.2007, 10:53

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MasterclassThis reminds me very much indeed of the "I'm doing my bit" episodes in the most excellent Starship Troopers.


I take that a 'nothing' then. I might have guessed.

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sentinel Posted: 16.02.2007, 07:08



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FLAMMNEW wrote on the nuclear power forum:

“If by 'engage with' you mean 'slag off' and 'cast slurs about his/her intelligence', then I suppose you have 'engaged with' Lyskerrys. He/she made perfectly valid points and was immediately set upon by you and Hunlef, and neither of you has actually replied to any of the points he/she made. If the totalitarian imposition of your POV with no dissent tolerated is what you plan for Cornwall, hand me the emigration papers, I've no desire to 'engage with' your sort, whether you are pro-Cornwall or not. KK 4 SWF!” END

Note the “KK for SWF” comment, and the fact that Lyskerrys also uses Kemmyn.

After his opening rant, Lyskerrys wrote: “The government has a large, well-funded, well-oiled PR machine that produces polished output; the output from the pro-Cornwall lobby has to be of equal quality, and of equal accessibility to the man on the street”.

He has obviously not read the “polished output” of the UK Framework Convention 2nd report or had any dialogue with Government on the subject. If he had, he could not possibly have said the above. For if the report, and subsequent dialogue, is “polished”, Cornish activists would not have been able to drive a coach and horses through it. In summary, Lyskerrys has not read the UK 2nd report, wont say whether or not he has made any pro-Cornish representations to Government on the matter, says he will not read the Cornwall 2000 account of the situation, stated quite adamantly that he will never join any pro-Cornish group and branded those pushing for Cornish inclusion within the Convention as “NUTTERS”.

Lyskerrys evidently writes from a position of little knowledge, yet feels justified, nay compelled, to come on to the Framework Convention forum to make one comment, and that is to attack those who push for Cornish inclusion within the Convention.

Against this background, Bard of the Cornish Gorseth Flammnew blunders in to support Lyskerrys. What is remarkable is that on 11 July 2006, Flammnew wrote “It stands out like a sore thumb when someone joins a forum which is pro something they despise just to post some hate mail. Says a lot about that person's state of mind, too.”

As Lyskerrys has yet to openly support Cornish inclusion within the Convention, one is left wondering whether or not this strange allegiance is simply the work of the Ku Klux Kemmyn.

In the above comment Lyskerrys appears to be suggesting that, unless Cornish activists match, in terms of public accessibility, the Government’s spin machine, they should pipe down. So will Lyskerrys and his blue-robed buddy help provide the funding that will allow activist to achieve public access parity?

In a later backtracking exercise Lyskerrys wrote: “ I am not criticising the work being done, but the way it is being presented to the public.”

Surely those who condemn the efforts of others have a responsibility to either spell out the right course by which Convention inclusion can be achieved, or preferably, lead by example.

Therefore, if Lyskerrys is so adept at presentation, then he should immediately volunteer his services. His first job on the way to leading us to the Promised Land is to digest ten years worth of material, then take the Government to task before ultimately presenting the situation to the public in his usual “polished” way that is of "equal quality, and of equal accessibility to the man on the street".
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lyskerrys Posted: 16.02.2007, 10:03



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So, sentinel, do you keep a dossier on all the posters on C24 in order to provide yourself with material to post later in a feeble attempt at character assassination? Or have you spent the last couple of days scanning through my and flammnew's previous postings (even anally quoting one from July 2006!), instead of using it productively to work for Cornwall's future? It's rather sad either way. I remember you two doing this to stroppygob; it's very telling of the sort of people you are that you are happy to show the same level of animosity to somebody who is basically ON YOUR SIDE. And yet in your last paragraph you suggest that I get involved with you! icon_lol icon_lol icon_lol icon_lol Your medication must be pretty strong stuff! The loss of Cornwall's future is assured if people like you in the pro-Cornwall lobby look on constructive criticism as a declaration of war, and would rather in-fight than look outwards. Now you're dragging in the form of Cornish I speak and the fact (?) that flammnew is apparently a bard. What possible relevance there is to that in a discussion about the accessibility of the public output of certain bodies is beyond me. You two need to get a life, and possibly go on an anger management course or two.
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Masterclass Posted: 16.02.2007, 10:48



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It's patently obvious that Hunlef and Sentinel are the same person. It's also terribly amusing that wheneer they get asked a direct question, or recieve a direct answer, they go all quiet, as does Teamkernow. Going out on a limb, I'd say that all 3 are the same.

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 16.02.2007, 12:25

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MasterclassIt's patently obvious that Hunlef and Sentinel are the same person. It's also terribly amusing that wheneer they get asked a direct question, or recieve a direct answer, they go all quiet, as does Teamkernow. Going out on a limb, I'd say that all 3 are the same.


Is that acceptable to say when we are not supposed to say Ivan and Stroppy are the same person?

hypocrit.

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