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Cornwall excluded from Framework convention report..

Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 17.02.2007, 18:04

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http://www.es...uality.htm


http://en.wik...itarianism


We don't have it in the UK! Why?

Is it time the UK updated!

Equality before the law and Legal egalitarianism!

Here is some more information on the subject.


The Cornish Democrat
The Breton Connection
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sentinel Posted: 17.02.2007, 22:24



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I see that the Government has been lying to Parliament, the Council of Europe and the High Court.

It now seems that some groups included within the Framework Convention are not Race Relations Act case law recognised groups, so the given reason for excluding the Cornish no longer applies.

Anyone got any comment on this?

For example,is this acceptable behaviour? If not, what action ought to be taken to end this injustice?
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Mike Posted: 17.02.2007, 22:49

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Cornwall 2000 should be supported more. As for what can be done, we need to be told.
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Kerrow Posted: 17.02.2007, 23:14



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I think that in the very short time that was available, massive revelations have been brought to light about the Government's desperation, hatred of the Cornish and duplicity. Whatever action is going to happen is made easier by the quality of this forensic work in revealing Government lies and trickery.



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sentinel Posted: 18.02.2007, 09:16



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HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR to the Chinese businessman landing at Cornwall’s Newquay Airport to find that his dynamic state-sponsored culture and billion speaking language community is being protected and promoted by UK taxpayers under a Convention designed to keep alive threatened European cultures; whilst the endangered identity, language, history and culture of the small indigenous European community he arrives amongst is excluded from the Convention. [Comment 162, 2nd report and 189, 1st report reveal UK Convention compliance taking the shape of funding for “peripatetic Chinese language teachers” and “Chinese New Year Festivities”].

FROM SOUTH WEST ARTS COUNCIL:

“The Yuen Film School began in 2004 when the Plymouth Race Equality Council worked with the BBC to reconnect British Chinese children with their culture by making lions heads for the Chinese New Year Celebrations. Since Lion Dance, the film school has continued to develop projects including an hour-long documentary celebrating 30 years of the Devon and Cornwall Chinese Association, and a 12-minute film looking at the Chinese year of the dog.”

The Arts Council also funds the Chinese ‘Pearl Awards’ scheme, which is the equivalent of the Cornish Gorseth Awards scheme, and other Chinese cultural activities.

Members South West Regional Arts Council [Many usual suspects]:

Professor Alan Livingston (Chair)
Cllr Doris Ansari OBE
Olalekan Babalola
Tim Brinkman
Cllr Robert Chapman
Sir Chris Clarke
Ruth Eastwood
Emily Flatley
Cllr Stephen Friar
Thrisha Halder
Jill Low
Cllr Karla Sudbury
Cllr Ian Ward
Pippa Warrin

Dont get me wrong. I have very much liked the few Chinese people that I have met, but is theirs a threatened minority culture justifying inclusion within a Convention whose preamble says that its purpose is to protect those groups whose fate has been jeopardised by the "upheavals of European history". i.e. groups that arise as a result of changing European political or cultural borders.

In other jurisdictions, stateless Jews, Gypsies and Kosovans, the Frisian of Germany, Skogfins of Norway, Ingerians of Estonia, Catalans of Italy and Basques of Spain all come under the Convention - and rightly so in my opinion. Only in the UK do so-called ‘new minorities’ feature in, what is increasingly being seen as, a misapplied international treaty.

There is still time to make your views know to Mr Korkeakivi. Comments must be in by Monday 19th Feb.




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sentinel Posted: 19.02.2007, 07:42



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I notice that, over time, the Convention thread has attracted the attention of about twenty contributors. Sentinel, Fulup le Breton, CJenkin, Frenchie, Kerrow, k, Stargazey, Shaz, Hunlef, Porthia, Mike, 1549, Freekernow, P.Fishwick, Cornishinfitada and TGG seem to be largely supportive of Cornish inclusion within the Convention.

Although Masterclass, Goghiennvarow, Lyskerrys, Grum, Hen and Dem Eng Man have made contributions, they offered no support.

It has now come to light that in order to maintain excluding the Cornish from the Convention, the Government has been forced to lie to Parliament, the Council of Europe and the High Court.

Is this behaviour to be condemned, or is this behaviour acceptable?

This simple question goes in particular to known hostiles and recent active contributors to the site, namely: Coady, Dem Eng Man, Goghiennvarow, Graham Hart, Hen, Masterclass, Team Kernow, Chris, Diane, Benorth, Nosdan, Ellery, Seaforth, Grum and Saneman.

My concern is that if contributors do not openly condemn such behaviour, C24 readers will be left to draw their own conclusions.
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Nosdan Posted: 19.02.2007, 09:51

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I have never had any faith in this government, and things like this justify my belief... Tony and his cronies have lied their way to power, and continue to lie. I dont see why the government should be so scared of identifying the Cornish?

Any demonstrations or protests, i will gladly join.

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Masterclass Posted: 19.02.2007, 10:23



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Quote...known hostiles...


heh. Nice.

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Hen Posted: 19.02.2007, 10:37



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sentinelAlthough Masterclass, Goghiennvarow, Lyskerrys, Grum, Hen and Dem Eng Man have made contributions, they offered no support.



Strange? I post after my husband's name was once more brought up for no sound reason, I apologise for diverting the thread and leave, and yet my posts are even counted as contributing to the thread?

I am flattered sentinel.

However, I don't believe my views on this issue are necessary.

Thanks for wanting to know what they were.

sentinelThis simple question goes in particular to known hostiles and recent active contributors to the site, namely: Coady, Dem Eng Man, Goghiennvarow, Graham Hart, Hen, Masterclass, Team Kernow, Chris, Diane, Benorth, Nosdan, Ellery, Seaforth, Grum and Saneman.


I am not a hostile poster. You are confusing me with all the abuse that gets hurled my way by other posters. Or else you are misplacing your own feelings. Or else you are getting me confused with my husband's views on matters. Whatever. It is a bit confusing when I have not been posting in a hostile manner to understand your point of view.

As I explained, my contributions were hardly towards the matter under discussion. That is why I apologised and left the thread.

You could understand that point, couldn't you sentinel?

I thought I had made it plainly.

sentinelIs this behaviour to be condemned, or is this behaviour acceptable?


So from what I understand, you know want me to research into this issue and give you my views?

I'm sorry. I am not interested in this matter and I do not want to research into it to establish a view.

Can I leave this thread now?

Previous caveat still stands though. Except I will extend it to include references to myself as well as my husband.




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grum Posted: 19.02.2007, 14:40

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sentinelI notice that, over time, the Convention thread has attracted the attention of about twenty contributors. Sentinel, Fulup le Breton, CJenkin, Frenchie, Kerrow, k, Stargazey, Shaz, Hunlef, Porthia, Mike, 1549, Freekernow, P.Fishwick, Cornishinfitada and TGG seem to be largely supportive of Cornish inclusion within the Convention.

Although Masterclass, Goghiennvarow, Lyskerrys, Grum, Hen and Dem Eng Man have made contributions, they offered no support.

It has now come to light that in order to maintain excluding the Cornish from the Convention, the Government has been forced to lie to Parliament, the Council of Europe and the High Court.

Is this behaviour to be condemned, or is this behaviour acceptable?

This simple question goes in particular to known hostiles and recent active contributors to the site, namely: Coady, Dem Eng Man, Goghiennvarow, Graham Hart, Hen, Masterclass, Team Kernow, Chris, Diane, Benorth, Nosdan, Ellery, Seaforth, Grum and Saneman.

My concern is that if contributors do not openly condemn such behaviour, C24 readers will be left to draw their own conclusions.


'Course it is. Better PM them all in case they miss it by accident, eh?

Well, seeing as this is going in the dossier.....

*ahem*

Let the record show that while I cannot condone a governement lying to its electorate or anyone else, the fact that they have done is no great surprise.

WMD's anyone? icon_rolleyes

I am also not convinced that recognition under the framework wotsit will actually solve anything in the long term anyways.



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Hen Posted: 19.02.2007, 20:29



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sentinelI notice that, over time, the Convention thread has attracted the attention of about twenty contributors. Sentinel, Fulup le Breton, CJenkin, Frenchie, Kerrow, k, Stargazey, Shaz, Hunlef, Porthia, Mike, 1549, Freekernow, P.Fishwick, Cornishinfitada and TGG seem to be largely supportive of Cornish inclusion within the Convention.

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Is this behaviour to be condemned, or is this behaviour acceptable?

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My concern is that if contributors do not openly condemn such behaviour, C24 readers will be left to draw their own conclusions.


Damn it. I thought I would start reviewing this thread to see why sentinel is demanding an answer from people who have not openly condemned such behaviour.

I reviewed some posts. One of the people you have named in this thread as being "largely supportive of Cornish inclusion within the Convention" doesn't appear to have done so in this thread.

For your interest sentinel, Shaz has stated the following in this thread:

shazPerhaps we could start a thread "What I did for Kernow today."


shazUse the printer Frenchie, don't worry if you can't cope I'll put it in an envelope and post it for you 



shazMaybe we can put it to the ones we know icon_biggrin


shazAbout right


shaz Fulub have you or any one else written a letter? What about MK?


shaz Yes Mike, Fulub does so much for Cornwall, I'm not sure where his head went on that one :?


shaz maybe we should get a Cornish person on that silly Big bro programme!


shaz I heard that they where thinking of scrapping the BB series due to lack of interest, good bit of marketing and propaganda I reckon


shaz Anyone for porridge


shaz Yes you have, after I emailed them to let them know we had placed a link to their site on TINC and yes agree, they are good people with good policies albeit running along side an English system.


shaz ??


shaz Patrick, Fulub's a grown up Cornish lad I reckon he'll cope


shaz Meur ras


shaz Soz Mike, I'm just a mere Anglo maid


shaz Naah.. me knows where me heart is... just having a laugh with Mike


shaz icon_lol


shaz Goyeyn


As you have misread my intentions for joining into this thread as being hostile towards this issue, perhaps you can highlight where this particular preferred poster has actually been largely supportive of the matter?
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TeamKernow Posted: 19.02.2007, 20:42

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Unduly personalised antipodean thread theme displacement and deviation alert!



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Hen Posted: 19.02.2007, 20:46



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Just trying to establish a level playing ground for myself, Team. And there is no deviation. Sentinel bought this matter to my attention and I decided that I might review the issue. My views were sought. As I need to review the thread and review the documentation, I just found his statement an anomaly.

If I am to be held up as a hostile poster, and shaz is to be largely supportive of the Cornish inclusion in the convention, it would be nice if there was evidence of either.

icon_smile



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Mike Posted: 19.02.2007, 20:53

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Hen and hostile will become synonymous with messages like that!
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Hen Posted: 19.02.2007, 20:59



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How have I been hostile? Examples and links most appreciated.

I am reviewing this issue as my views have been requested.

I found an anomaly in the statement sentinel made.

I think many people often confused views of spouses for the views of the wife.

It has happened to me constantly on this Board.

I think sentinel is confusing Frenchie's posts with those of Shaz.

As you can see, she hasn't posted her support either.

Regards
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