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1549 Posted: 23.02.2007, 10:50

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UK EXCLUDE ULSTER-SCOTS FROM MINORITY TREATY
FRIDAY 23nd FEBRUARY 2007

SUMMARY:

UK GOVERMENT EXCLUDE ULSTER-SCOTS FROM COUNCIL OF EUROPE FRAMEWORK CONVENTION FOR THE PROTECTION OF NATIONAL MINORITIES. IRISH AND WELSH ALSO LIKELY TO BE EXCLUDED. CORNISH ALREADY EXCLUDED.

BACKGROUND:

THE UK SHOULD HAVE FORWARDED ITS SECOND, COUNCIL OF EUROPE FRAMEWORK CONVENTION for the PROTECTION OF NATIONAL MINORITIES, COMPLIANCE REPORT TO THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE IN READINESS FOR THE IMPORTANT C OF Eu ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING OF 20TH FEB 2007.

FOR TEN YEARS THE GOVERNMENT HAS INSISTED THAT ONLY THOSE UK MINORITY GROUPS WHO ARE DEEMED ‘RACIAL GROUPS’ BY THE COURTS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE CONVENTION.

GOVERNMENT ACTIONS TO DATE SUGGESTED THAT THE ULSTER-SCOTS, WELSH AND IRISH ARE INCLUDED BECAUSE THE COURTS HAVE RULED THEY ARE ‘RACIAL GROUPS’. CONVERSELY, GOVERNMENT SAY, AS THE COURTS HAVE NOT RULED THAT THE CORNISH ARE A RACIAL GROUP, THE CORNISH MUST STAY EXCLUDED.

THIS PROMPTED CORNISH CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP 'CORNWALL 2000' TO INVESTGATE THE SITUATION, WHICH IN TURN LED US TO COMMENCE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE UK GOVERNMENT IN THE HIGH COURT. BUT WHY?

PAGE 8 OF THE DRAFT REPORT STATES THAT THE GOVERNMENT MUST STICK BY ITS ALLEGED RACIAL GROUP FORMULA FOR INCLUSION. THEY SAY THAT TO DO OTHERWISE WOULD BE TO ALLOW ADMINISTRATORS TO “PICK AND CHOOSE” WHICH GROUPS ARE COVERED.

SOUNDS FINE. THE TROUBLE IS, UNLIKE THE ENGLISH AND SCOTTISH, WHERE THE RACE RELATIONS ACT CASE LAW IS READILY AVAILABLE[NORTHERN JOINT POLICE BOARD V POWER 1997 IRLR 610 & BBC SCOTLAND V SOUSTER 2001 1RLR 150], IN SPITE OF REPEATED REQUESTS TO DO SO, THE UK GOVERNMENT CANNOT PRODUCE THE CASE LAW REFERENCES THAT DETERMINED THE WELSH AND IRISH TO BE 'RACIAL GROUPS' PRIOR TO 1999, WHEN THEY WERE FIRST INCLUDED IN THE CONVENTION. MOREOVER, THE UK COMMISSION FOR RACIAL EQUALITY NOTIFIED US ON THE 14TH FEBRUARY 2007 THAT THE COURTS HAVE NOT YET RULED THAT THE WELSH AND IRISH ARE RACIAL GROUPS. THEREFORE THE APPLICABLITY OF THE CONVENTION TO THE IRISH AND WELSH IS IN SERIOUS DOUBT.

WHAT IS NOT IN DOUBT HOWEVER, IS THE FACT THAT THE UK GOVERNMENT HAS NOW FINALLY ADMITTED AT COMMENT 17 OF ITS DEFENCE PAPER LODGED WITH THE HIGH COURT ON 16 FEBRUARY 2007 THAT "THE ULSTER SCOTS ARE NOT A RACE RELATIONS ACT RECOGNISED GROUP". WHEN WE ASKED WHY THEY ARE INCLUDED WITHIN UK CONVENTION COMPLIANCE REPORTS, COMMENT 10 OF THE DEFENCE PAPER STATES "NOT ALL GROUPS MENTIONED IN UK COMPLIANCE REPORTS ARE RECOGNISED BY THE UK AS COMING WITHIN THE CONVENTION". GOVERNMENT STILL WILL NOT ADMIT IT, BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE CONCLUSION TO BE DRAWN FROM THIS - THE ULSTER SCOTS, LIKE THE CORNISH, ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE CONVENTION.

HOWEVER, ANY STUDY OF THE UK COMPLIANCE REPORTS WILL SHOW THE UK GOVERNMENT TREATING THE ULSTER-SCOTS AS IF THEY ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE CONVENTION, AND REFERENCES BY ULSTER-SCOTS MEP JIM ALLISTER ON HIS WEBSITE, AND MINUTED SPEECHES MADE BY ULSTER-SCOTS MP DR IAN ADAMSON ON THE FLOOR OF THE NORTHERN IRELAND ASSEMBLY, SUGGEST THAT THE ULSTER-SCOTS THEMSELVES SINCERLEY BELIEVE THAT THEY DO COME UNDER THE CONVENTION.

THIS FALSE BELIEF HAS BEEN GENERATED BY GOVERNMENT VIA EVENTS SIMILAR TO THAT OUTLINED IN THE UK HOME OFFICE [JULY 2001] "RESPONSE TO THE CONVENTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S LIST OF POINTS". FOR WHEN ON PAGE 15 OF THAT DOCUMENT THE COMMITTEE ASKED WHAT MEASURES WERE BEING UNDERTAKEN TO HELP FRAMEWORK CONVENTION GROUPS "MAINTAIN AND DEVELOP THEIR CULTURE, AND PRESERVE THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF THEIR IDENTITY" THE UK GOVERNMENT SAID THAT IT HAD INVESTED £4.35MILLION IN "ULSTER-SCOTS LINQUISTIC DEVELOPMENT, CULTURE, EDUCATION AND PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF ULSTER-SCOTS ISSUES".

IN ORDER TO KEEP THE CORNISH OUT OF THE CONVENTION, THE UK GOVERNMENT HAS REPEATEDLY ASSERTED, SUGGESTED OR OTHERWISE INFERRED [THROUGH COMPLIANCE REPORTS, PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND CORRESPONDENCE WITH INDIVIDUALS/NGO'S/MP'S] TO PARLIAMENT, THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE AND MORE RECENTLY TO THE HIGH COURT, TWO CONTRADICTORY CONDITIONS. THE FIRST BEING THAT THE WELSH, ULSTER-SCOTS AND IRISH ARE CONVENTION GROUPS. THE SECOND BEING THAT ALL CONVENTION GROUPS HAVE BEEN DETERMINED BY THE COURTS TO BE 'RACIAL GROUPS' UNDER THE UK 1976 RACE RELATIONS ACT. GOVERNMENT ALWAYS KNEW THAT ONE OF THESE CONDITION HAD TO BE UNTRUE.

FOLLOWING A 20TH APRIL 2004 MEETING WITH HOME OFFICE OFFICIALS , WE SUGGESTED A WAY FOR GOVERNMENT TO ALLOW THE CORNISH [AND ALSO PROPERLY INCORPORATE THE ULSTER-SCOTS] INTO THE CONVENTION WITHOUT 'OPENING THE FLOODGATES' [WHICH WAS A CONCERN OF GOVERNMENT]. THIS NECESSITATED KEEPING THE 1976 RRA FORMULA, BUT ALSO EXTENDING THE CONVENTION TO THOSE GROUPS WHOSE LANGUAGES COME UNDER THE EUROPEAN CHARTER FOR REGIONAL AND MINORITY LANGUAGES.

FOR POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL REASONS, THIS SUGGESTION WAS IGNORED AND GOVERNMENT PERSISTED WITH A DUPLICITY THAT ALLOWED OTHERS IN BY SUBTERFUGE WHILST EXCLUDING THE CORNISH ON A FALSE PRETEXT. NOW GOVERNMENT PARANOIA ABOUT THE CORNISH HAS COME BACK TO HAUNT IT.

IN IRELAND THERE IS MUCH TALK OF 'PARITY OF ESTEEM'. SO HOW WILL IT GO DOWN ON THE FALLS ROAD WHEN RESIDENTS REALISE THE SCOTTISH ARE INCLUDED IN THE CONVENTION, BUT THE IRISH APPEAR TO BE EXCLUDED? ON THE OTHER HAND, WHAT MIGHT BE THE REACTION ON THE VOLATILE SHANKILL ESTATE IF THE IRISH ARE SOMEHOW INCLUDED, AND THE ULSTER-SCOTS STAY EXCLUDED:

PARANOIA HAS NOW GIVEN OVER TO PARALYSIS. THE UK GOVERNMENT IS THREE YEARS LATE WITH ITS 2ND REPORT. IT IS UNABLE TO SUBMIT ITS FINAL REPORT TO EUROPE. THE MONITORING BODY WILL PROCEED WITHOUT THE UK REPORT. IT ALSO FACES DAMAGING HIGH COURT PROCEEDINGS AND IF THE CORNISH FAIL TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS IN THE ENGLISH COURTS [AS SEEMS LIKELY] WE WILL NOT GO AWAY.

WE ARE UTTERLY COMMITTED TO OBTAINING JUSTICE. WE WILL NOT REST UNTIL WE HAVE OBTAINED EQUALITY WITH OTHER UK GROUPS WHO ARE IN ANALOGOUS, OR RELEVANTLY SIMILAR, SITUATIONS. WE HAVE PURSUED THIS CASE FOR TEN YEARS, AND GOVERNMENT ARE ON NOTICE THAT FAILURE TO REACH A JUST SOLUTION IN THIS EXTRAORDINARY AND BIZARRE CASE WILL LEAD TO COMMENCEMENT OF PROCEEDINGS IN THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

GOVERNMENT WILL NOT PROVIDE US WITH A LIST OF GROUPS COVERED BY THE CONVENTION, ALL IT SAY IS THAT IF THERE WAS A LIST, THE CORNISH WOULD NOT BE ON IT. AFTER TEN YEARS OF LIES, DULICITY AND MISINFORMATION, PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE ARE CONCLUDING THAT GOVERNMENT MUST REALLY HATE THE CORNISH.

FOR WHAT OTHER REASON WOULD MINISTERS GO TO SUCH LENGTHS TO DEPRIVE A SMALL HARMLESS MINORITY OF EQUAL TREATMENT?

C2000 ARE DUE TO MEET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE IN MARCH OF 2007.

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EVIDENCE:

Secretary of State’s response to 22 October 1998 Parliamentary Question stated “The Convention report will be based on the definition of ‘racial group’ as set out in the Race Relations Act 1976” [Hansard 55450].

Comment 47 of the 1999 UK 1st Compliance Report to the Council of Europe states “Case law has determined that the Irish and Welsh are racial groups”.

The 27 Feb 2004 assertion by Parliamentary Under Secretary of State Fiona Mactaggart to Andrew George MP stated: "The Welsh and Irish meet the definition of racial groups under the Race Relations Act 1976".

The 1st April 2004 assertion by Ian Naysmith [Head of the International Section] at the Home Office Race Equality Unit to Follett Stock solicitors: "The Welsh and Irish constitute members of racial groups under the Race Relations Act 1976".

Comment 255, UK draft 2nd Report "The formation of the North South language body was an acceptance that the Ulster-Scots minority exists in Northern Ireland".

UK Government defence paper submitted to High Court of Justice on 16th February 2007 "Not all groups mentioned in UK compliance reports are recognised by the UK as coming within the Convention".

Letter from Commission for Racial Equality dated 14 February 2007 ”The Welsh and the Irish have not been recognised as a racial group under the Race Relations Act.”

UK Government defence paper submitted to High Courts of Justice on 16th February 2007 "The Ulster Scots are not a Race Relations Act recognised group".

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TGG Posted: 25.02.2007, 18:03

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TGG Posted: 22.02.2007, 23:38
... Not least the possibility of them financially penalising Cornwall 2000 for daring to expose their lies and maladministration in the High Court of Justice(?)...


The fourth attempt icon_mad (my fault icon_redface )

The latest circular from Cornwall 2000 gives a current idea of such a penalty but no guarantee that this is the final amount.

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ps Why does it not immediately show in Forum latest?



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STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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TGG Posted: 26.02.2007, 13:50

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Another circular from Cornwall 2000 gives a current idea of the value of the UK signing treaties.

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STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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1549 Posted: 26.02.2007, 19:54

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So what about this and what does it mean?

Is this the final version and has it been accepted by the Council of Europe?

There are a number of differences between this and the draft report:

Under Article 3.. point 16 the draft report said: 'There is no comprehensive list of 'recognised' groups and in the UK, rights are individual and universal'

Now written is :
'There is no comprehensive list of 'recognised' groups. Any individual who believes himself or herself discriminated against unlawfully can bring proceedings against the alleged discriminator'

So, perhaps the govt retracts the statement that rights are universal in fear that this might apply also to the Cornish?

The biggest change tho' is in the main reason for exclusion:
Previously:
'The Government has considered the arguments put forward for the inclusion [of the Cornish], but has not been convinced that a move away from the RRA formula can be justified.'

Now, following that great work by J Angarrack, Stannary etc the govt has egg on their faces over the RRA line and has written:

(19)
'The Government has considered the arguments put forward for the inclusion, but has not been convinced that a move away from the definition of racial group in Section 3(1) of the Race Relations Act 1976 can be justified'

In point 17:' 'racial groups'= 'which is to say any groups defined by colour, race, nationality or national or ethnic origins'. For the purposes of the Framework Convention it would of course also be necessary for the group to be a minority in the UK.'

Section 19 concludes 'The Government is very much aware of the strength of feeling about Cornwall's separate identity and distinctiveness. The fact that some groups may not meet the definition of racial group from the Race Relations Act 1976 has not been a barrier to the UK's many communities being able to maintain and celebrate their distinct identities'.

I don't believe there is any connection between the content of these two sentences and the Govt wasn't able to say as it would have liked:
'The fact that some groups - like the Cornish - may not......'

This is because the Cornish do meet the definition of a Racial Group 'which is to say any groups defined by 'colour, race, nationality or ethnic origins''.
The report makes specific mention of the separate Cornish identity and distinctiveness. This separate identity and distinctiveness are the manifestation of intrinsic characteristics - many a result of historical factors - that establish the Cornish as a delimited ethnic group.
The definition of an 'ethnic group' was determined by Lord Fraser in the House of Lords (Mandla vs. Dowell -Lee 1983) and, as can be seen, the Cornish identity dovetails with every category:
a) Possession and consciousness of a long shared history.(These the Cornish have).
b)Cultural tradition of its own ie customs, manners etc. This does not necessarily imply religious observance (There are many Cornish cultural traditions, customs, manners etc, some of which may be studied and documented, others, including a spectrum of communicative interactions which are not readily accessible for observation or research.)
c) Common geographical origin or descent from a small number of ancestors (These the Cornish have).
d) Common language but not one which is necessarily peculiar to the group (The Cornish language, also its use in placenames and surnames)
e)Common literature peculiar to the group (Cornish texts, dialect work, folkloric texts, informed modern work)
f)Common religion differing from neighbouring groups or the general community (Non-conformism)
g Feeling of 'being a minority' or of oppression from the wider community (Feelings typical within the Cornish ethnic minority)

Although the UK govt says it does not recognise the term 'National Minority' this is a Convention drawn up to protect National Minoritires and the Cornish also easily fit the definition for 'National Minority'

The Cornish are a group of people in Britain who:
a)reside on the territory of this State (ie Britain)and are citizens of Britain.
b)maintain longstanding, firm and lasting ties with Britain
c)display distinctive ethnic, cultural, religious and linguistic characteristics (see above)
d) are sufficiently representative, although smaller in number than the rest of the population of that state, or a region of that state ( estimates, though inaccurate because of discriminatory ethnicity monitoring practices suggest about 200 000 people in the UK are Cornish and for the purposes of the World Heritage site classification it was estimated that 6 million people worldwide are of Cornish descent)
e) are motivated by a concern to preserve together that which constitutes their common identity, including their culture, their traditions, their religion and their language (In the face of official disapproval, the passion of the Cornish for Cornish traditions, culture and way of life has resulted in the ratification of the Cornish Language under the European Charter for Regional and Minority Languages and a tenacity to retain the characteristics which are an inherent part of our identity).

An interesting and impressive part of this document is the number of groups who have made representation to the Govt (p95))about the draft report - almost all are Cornish groups. This almost certainly indicates discrimination at work as just about every other minority seems to have nothing to say and are presumably well accommodated.

Finally, a note to Chris - it is unfortunate that, since we have someone here with the knowledge and patience to put us all in the picture with this that you have been heavy handed but I would recommend that you unblock this topic at least should Hunlef be kind enough to want to let us know what's happening.




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porthia1947 Posted: 01.03.2007, 13:14



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I note that in the London Government Parliament's Written Answers of 7th February that Dan Rogerson (North Cornwall),asked the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government which minority groups are recognised by her Department under the terms of the Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities.

Phil Woolas (Minister of State, Department for Communities and Local Government) replied:

QuoteThe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities does not define the term "national minority" nor is "national minority" a legally defined term in the United Kingdom.

The Government therefore ratified the Framework Convention on the understanding that its principles should apply to members of "racial groups" as set out in the Race Relations Act 1976. Section 3(1) of that Act defines a racial group as:

"a group of persons defined by reference to colour, race, nationality or ethnic or national origins".


On the 27th February Andrew George (St Ives)
asked the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government how her Department determines to which (a) racial, (b) ethnic, (c) linguistic, (d) religious and (e) other groups the European Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities is applicable and Phil Woolas replied:

QuoteI refer the hon. Member to the answer given to the hon. Member for North Cornwall (Mr. Rogerson) on 7 February 2007, Official Report, column 952W.


Source: Hansard


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QuoteI note that in the London Government Parliament's Written Answers of 7th February that Dan Rogerson (North Cornwall),asked the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government which minority groups are recognised by her Department under the terms of the Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities.


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Wednesday, 28 February 2007 Andrew George (St Ives, Liberal Democrat)
To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government whether the Commission for Racial Equality shares her Department's interpretation of whether the (a) Welsh and (b) Irish meet the definition of racial groups under the Race Relations Act 1976.

QuoteReply from Phil Woolas (Minister of State, Department for Communities and Local Government)



Section 3(1) of the Race Relations Act 1976 states that "racial group" means

"a group of persons defined by reference to colour, race, nationality or ethnic or national origins..."

The determination of whether a particular group meets this definition is a matter for the courts, rather than the Government or the Commission for Racial Equality. However, our understanding is that the Commission for Racial Equality shares our view that the Welsh and Irish meet the definition of racial group under the Race Relations Act.


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1549 Posted: 06.03.2007, 12:57

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UK GOV: "WE SIGN INTERNATIONAL TREATY, BUT UK CITIZENS WILL NOT BENEFIT"
TUESDAY 6th MARCH 2007


SUMMARY:

THE UK GOVERNMENT HAS RATIFIED A LEGALLY BINDING INTERNATIONAL TREATY [also know as a Convention]. WHEN UK CITIZENS TAKE ACTION TO SECURE BENEFITS UNDER THE TREATY, GOVERNMENT SAY "THE CONVENTION DOES NOT CONFER ANY BENEFITS ON THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE RECOGNISED UNDER IT".



BACKGROUND:

THE UK GOVERNMENT ARE RESISTING AT ALL COSTS ATTEMPTS BEING MADE BY: MPS, CULTURAL ORGANISATIONS, NGOS, CORNWALL COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE, TO INCLUDE THE CORNISH WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK CONVENTION FOR THE PROTECTION OF NATIONAL MINORITIES.

CORNISH CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP CORNWALL 2000 HAS NOW LAUNCHED PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT IN THE UK HIGH COURT.

THE GOVERNMENT RATIFIED THE CONVENTION ON 15 JAN 1998. THIS MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS AGREED TO BE LEGALLY BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THE CONVENTION.

LEADING INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANISATION 'MINORITY RIGHTS GROUP' SAY THAT THE CONVENTION OBLIGES THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE "SPECIAL MEASURES, REFRAIN FROM CERTAIN PRACTICES AND GUARANTEE SPECIFIC RIGHTS" [MRG Sep 1999].

THE CONVENTION STATES THAT THE UK WILL "IMPLEMENT THE PRINCIPLES SET OUT IN THE CONVENTION THROUGH NATIONAL LEGISLATION AND GOVERNMENT POLICY".

HOME OFFICE SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE O'BRIEN HAS ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE STATING THAT "THE CONVENTION GUARANTEES RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW AND THE GOVERNMENT AGREES TO ADOPT POLICIES TO BRING THIS ABOUT" [NOV 1999].

THE UNITED NATIONS HAS DECLARED "THE CONVENTION CONTAINS SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR MINORITIES" [UNHCR FACTSHEET No 18].

THE CONVENTION ITSELF REFERS DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHTS AND BENEFITS AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO FALL WITHIN ITS SCOPE.

YET WHEN THE CORNISH ATTEMPT TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS AND BENEFITS THROUGH THE HIGH COURT, THE GOVERNMENT INFORMS THE COURT THAT THERE ARE NO RIGHTS AND BENEFITS TO BE HAD FROM THE CONVENTION, AND AS THE ACTION IS MERELY ACADEMIC, IT IS A WASTE OF COURT TIME AND SHOULD BE THROWN OUT.

SECRETARY OF STATE RUTH KELLY'S 16TH FEB 2007 STATEMENTS MADE TO THE HIGH COURT ARE AS FOLLOWS:

"THE CONVENTION IS NOT AN INSTRUMENT THAT GOVERNS LAW MAKING OR POLICY IN THE UK" [PARA 12]

"THE CONVENTION DOES NOT CONFER ANY BENEFITS ON THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE RECOGNISED UNDER IT" [PARA 31].


IF THERE ARE NO BENEFITS TO BE HAD UNDER THE CONVENTION, WHY DO THE THE UN, THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE AND THE CONVENTION SAY THERE ARE, WHY HAS THE GOVERNMENT PREVIOUSLY SAID THERE ARE, WHY BOTHER TO SIGN IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND WHY FIGHT TO KEEP THE CORNISH OUT OF IT?


The Convention shall be applied in good faith and in a spirit of understanding and tolerance.

Framework Convention Article 1

http://en.wikip...l_Minorities

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"Reply from Phil Woolas (Minister of State, Department for Communities and Local Government)
Section 3(1) of the Race Relations Act 1976 states that "racial group" means "a group of persons defined by reference to colour, race, nationality or ethnic or national origins..."The determination of whether a particular group meets this definition is a matter for the courts, rather than the Government.

LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE

Comment 2: 1st UK compliance report lodged with C of Eu on 26th July 1999 states that Irish Travellers are a 'racial group', so come within the Convention.

TRUTH: The courts did not determine Irish Travellers as racial group until 29th August 2000 [Punch Retail v Patrick O'Leary and others - Central London County Court]

GOVERNMENT CONTINUALLY LIE TO PARLIAMENT, TO HIGH COURT AND TO THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE JUST TO KEEP CORNISH OUT OF CONVENTION.
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Shaz Posted: 06.03.2007, 21:39

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QuotePhil Woolas


Do we have an email address for him or do I have to trawl back?

QuoteLIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE


That's a song isn't it...
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Try:

phil.woolas@communities.gsi.gov.uk

However, as the English supremacists have already lied to Parliament and the High Court, what makes you think they will not lie to you?
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Written answers
Thursday, 1 March 2007
Communities and Local Government
Race Relations Act 1976

Andrew George (St Ives, Liberal Democrat) To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government "which groups are (a) defined and (b) awaiting determination as (i) racial and (ii) ethnic groups under the Race Relations Act 1976; when the definition of each such group was completed; and what (A) criteria and (B) process were used in determining such definitions."

Phil Woolas (Minister of State, Department for Communities and Local Government) "The determination of whether a particular group meets the definition of a "racial group" in the Race Relations Act 1976 is a matter for the courts, rather than the Government. We do not possess a comprehensive list of all court rulings relating to all groups, although the hon. Member may wish to refer to the website of the Commission for Racial Equality (www.cre.gov.uk) which provides examples of significant cases under the Race Relations Act."

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Shaz Posted: 06.03.2007, 22:45

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QuoteOldham East & Saddleworth


So this Phil, he is making decisions for Our Cornwall and his district is the above???
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Shaz Posted: 07.03.2007, 00:21

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sentinelTry:

phil.woolas@communities.gsi.gov.uk

However, as the English supremacists have already lied to Parliament and the High Court, what makes you think they will not lie to you?


It seems that lying is part of the game to ES, to get caught out when lying is very bad imperialism icon_biggrin





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