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Cornwall excluded from Framework convention report..

sentinel Posted: 07.03.2007, 07:22



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Shaz said: So this Phil, he is making decisions for Our Cornwall and his district is the above???

Yeh. Thats what they call democracy

Do you know that The Liars told Parliament, the Council of Europe and the High Court that "The UK's discrimination laws protect all individuals from racial discrimination whether they belong to a minority group or a majority group"

Yet when the Cornish complain that exclusion from the Convention is discrimination, THE LIARS say "No way Hosay! You ain't covered by the Race Relations Act, so we can discriminate against you with impunity"



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1549 Posted: 07.03.2007, 14:05

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Written answers
Tuesday, 6 March 2007
Andrew George (St Ives, Liberal Democrat)
(1) "what plans she has (a) to complete and (b) to publish the second UK compliance report under the European Framework Convention on the Protection of National Minorities;"

(2) "what the (a) planned and (b) actual timetable was for the publication of the report on UK compliance with the European Framework Convention was for the Protection of National Minorities."

"The report sets out the important progress the UK has made towards honouring this commitment !!" Meg Munn (Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Women and Equality), Department for Communities and Local Government)

http://www.they...2#g123432.q0

Constitutional Affairs
Duchy of Cornwall
Andrew George (St Ives, Liberal Democrat)To ask the Minister of State, Department for Constitutional Affairs "what assessment she has made of the constitutional status of (a) the Duchy of Cornwall, (b) Cornwall and (c) the Isles of Scilly."

http://www.they...39.h&s=duchy
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 07.03.2007, 17:04

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This is great the They Work For You website, you can add your own feedback: http://www.they...c=9443#c9443

The Cornish Democrat
The Breton Connection
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Penfound Posted: 07.03.2007, 21:02

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Harman's reply to Andrew George's question (above) is very clever. Look beyond the words.

Cornwall is indeed an adminstrative county of the UK, which has always been an integral part of the Union. Quite true.

In saying this, Harman is neither confirming or denying that Cornwall is ALSO "a Palatine state, extraterritorial to the English Crown" (Sir George Harrison's words).

Harman's answer actually says very little. Yet, the last line is very important for what it doesn't say rather than what is does. Harman writes:

"The Government do not intend to change the legal position of the Duchy nor the constitutional position of Cornwall".

Having previously stated that Cornwall is an adminstrative county, interestingly, she purposely neglects to use the term 'county' in the last line - "nor the constitutional position of Cornwall" - this ambiguity is important. HM Governemnt does not intend to change the constitutional position of Cornwall, which THEY know and WE know and HRH PoW knows, is not a "county". Harman could not not have written that HM Government does not intend to change the consitutional position of the county of Cornwall, because Corwnall is not constituted as a county - it is only governed as a county, and the distinction is the CRUX of George's question.

So, in conclusion(!) Harman singularly fails to answer the question - much like Lord Levy, Blair, Turner, in fact anyone from this duplicitous "government"

Thas wha' I reckon anyways.


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frenchie Posted: 07.03.2007, 21:25



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QuoteThe Duchy of Cornwall is a private estate that funds the public, charitable and private activities of the Prince of Wales, the Duchess of Cornwall, Prince William and Prince Harry.


Maybe a date for when this 'private estate' was set up would help us understand the change over process..

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Penfound Posted: 07.03.2007, 21:28

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Additional!

What I am trying to say (very badly!) is that Harman 's "assessment of Cornwall's constitutional position" is that it is governed as county. This is an incredibly narrow, and sneaky assessment. It is equivalent to assessing Australia's constitutional position as a governed by HM Queen. Indeed it could be argued, that in a very round about way Australia is governed by HM Queen - but that chooses to ignore tha fact, that Australia is its own nation, with its own government - sound familiar.

The defence rests its case. icon_rolleyes
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frenchie Posted: 07.03.2007, 21:36



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Or in simple terms..

The Duke is happy with his share of the Duchy cake.
The Government are happy with their share of the county cake.

Maybe we should start refering to 'Duchy County' a 'free for all' for all imperialistic movements..

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Shaz Posted: 07.03.2007, 23:01

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K said

QuoteFinally, a note to Chris - it is unfortunate that, since we have someone here with the knowledge and patience to put us all in the picture with this that you have been heavy handed but I would recommend that you unblock this topic at least should Hunlef be kind enough to want to let us know what's happening


Hunlef is a stubborn cow...

She ain't gonna be too happy with the unjustified suspension...Chris is also stubborn... icon_lol
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frenchie Posted: 07.03.2007, 23:40



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Nightmares come in many guises.

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Laghyades Posted: 08.03.2007, 01:47

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PenfoundAdditional!

What I am trying to say (very badly!) is that Harman 's "assessment of Cornwall's constitutional position" is that it is governed as county. This is an incredibly narrow, and sneaky assessment. It is equivalent to assessing Australia's constitutional position as a governed by HM Queen. Indeed it could be argued, that in a very round about way Australia is governed by HM Queen - but that chooses to ignore tha fact, that Australia is its own nation, with its own government - sound familiar.


There is more 'familiar' here than you might think, in the treatment of the Cornish, the indigenous inhabitants of part of what today is 'England', and the Australian Aborigines.

Terra nullius
What is terra nullius?
Terra nullius is a Latin term meaning 'land belonging to no one'. When colonising Australia, the British Government used this term to justify the dispossession of Indigenous people. The British colonists did not recognise the land was being used as Indigenous people did not use the land in the same way as the British. The British saw no evidence of agricultural, social or religious structure like their own, and therefore incorrectly concluded that Indigenous people did not own the land but simply roamed it. By using the principle of terra nullius, the British Government claimed sovereignty over Australia, ignoring the rights of Indigenous people who had lived there for at least 60 000 years.

Thcommonon law of this country would perpetuate injustice if it were to continue to embrace the notion of terra nullius and persist in characterising the Indigenous inhabitants of the Australian colonies as people too low in the scale of social organisation to be acknowledged as possessing rights and interests in land.

Justice Brennan of the High Court of Australia.


http://www.dreamtime.net.au/indigenous/land.cfm#b

A good example of how so much of the rest of the world is downright embarassed by their English heritage these days.

Of course, not even the British Colonial Office had the gall (or possibly, spleen) to perpetuate making Australia a private privy purse for the PoW. But that's to be expected. After all, it's such a roarin' good wheeze for the PoW to get on the Amerindian bandwagon, the Australian Aboriginal bandwagon, etc ..... but his family's hands are redder, and his purse heavier as a result, than any atrocity the Colonial Office or the colonials ever committed.

Pinnochio was cursed with a huge nose as a result of falsehoods ..... you think perhaps hypocricy could have a similar effect upon ears?

Hey, Charlie ! Dis fella sacred land belonga Cornish fella.





edited by: Laghyades, Mar 08, 2007 - 12:55 AM

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Ellery Posted: 08.03.2007, 01:55

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Maybe links should be forged with other aboriginal peoples around the world.

We will make Cornwall see the lies.
We will open up their eyes.
We Cornish born and bred.
We fight on till we all are dead,
and listen for Palores' cries!
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Laghyades Posted: 08.03.2007, 02:03

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Perhaps a website detailing what other indigines have been accorded by their governments, versus what the Cornish have.

Amerindians - a revenue stream from casinos.
Cornish - Not only nothing of substance form the English govt, but a refusal to allow others, say, Europe, to donate funds.

Australian Aborigines - recognition as Aboriginal citizens of Australia in the 1960's, plus state funded radio, TV, language programmes, etc.
Cornish - London: "You-are-not-Cornish-you-are-English-so-shaddup".



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sentinel Posted: 08.03.2007, 06:55



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Its amazing. In order to keep the Cornish out of the Framework Convention, Government has been caught out time and time again lying to Parliament, the Council of Europe and the High Court.

Yet there seems to be very little interest in discussing this matter, or finding ways of holding the Government to account.

I notice the press ran with the Loving Cup story [with WMN material taken directly from this forum], but ignored a much more serious matter.

Is interest in this matter low because Government always lie - so it is a non-event, or is it low because it is OK to lie to keep the Cornish down?
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TGG Posted: 08.03.2007, 13:26

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sentinel - Posted: 08.03.2007, 06:55
Its amazing. In order to keep the Cornish out of the Framework Convention, Government has been caught out time and time again lying to Parliament, the Council of Europe and the High Court.

Yet there seems to be very little interest in discussing this matter, or finding ways of holding the Government to account.

I notice the press ran with the Loving Cup story [with WMN material taken directly from this forum], but ignored a much more serious matter.

Is interest in this matter low because Government always lie - so it is a non-event, or is it low because it is OK to lie to keep the Cornish down?

Letters to the Packet & West Briton [but sent to ALL papers in the Duchy] also failed to evoke any response [at least not printed!] so perhaps all this Cornish nationalism/Proud to be Cornish thing is a myth? No nation, or identity, to defend?

Truth is, possibly, it is just too above people's heads to break the credibility gap and - perhaps? - kept esoteric by confining one's thoughts to eForums. Essential to fight on all fronts and, of course, to watch your back!

So much for the "Trelawny" chorus! icon_rolleyes

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edited by: TGG, Mar 08, 2007 - 01:39 PM

STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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Kerrow Posted: 09.03.2007, 08:52



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I thought it was for Europe to hold the Government to account.

If you're saying that the Cornish not only have to show the reasons why their exclusion is based on falsehoods and how the Government has lied BUT have also to hold the Government to account then that's a slightly different tack.
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