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balindsey Posted: 16.12.2006, 19:00



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I saw this in the Wikipedia article on Cornish wrestling:

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Ashley Cawley defended his title (Heavy-weight Champion of Cornwall) for the first time in 2006. The tournament was hosted at Lostwithiel on the 16th of July and the final of the tournament was a monumental bout between Ashley and Darrin Richardson lasting an hour long; Ashley finally beat Darrin on "first one to touch ground".


I've looked at the rules on the Cornish Wrestling Ass'n website and I don't see anything about a "first one to touch the ground" rule. Presumably this is invoked in a tie-break situation? The Ass'n's rules say the official is supposed to award the win to the wrestler who made the most honest attempts to throw his opponent and say nothing about overtime.

What's the time limit on a bout? I'm guessing an hour-long match is unusual and this was due to the match being drawn until then and extended to determine a winner.

Are there different rules for championship and non-championship matches with respect to length-of-match, breaking ties, and so on?
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Hen Posted: 17.12.2006, 01:56



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The only reason I can think that a "first one to touch ground" would have won is because neither of the wrestlers had scored any 'pin' points during the match. That would have been a nil all score and the first wrestler then to have his opponent ' touch ground' would have been granted a 'pin point' by one of the 'Sticklers'.

At least ... that's my guess. icon_smile

Without actually contacting a Cornish Wrestling Association (and I note there is one in Victoria) the closest thing I can get to finding the length a bout goes for is rule 10.4 of the Association's rule book. It states:

"Cornish Wrestling Association's Rule Book"10.4. All wrestlers concerned to be present at the weigh in and a proper draw is to be made for each class. Each class shall have a separate matching sheet that states the Class involved and duration of bout. Championship draws to be made and publicly announced.


So it would seem that prior to a match, there is an agreed duration set for each represented class. Possibly to take account of who exactly has fronted up to wrestle? It maybe that every bout can be set to a different time frame with no established 'agreed' length as such.
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Hen Posted: 17.12.2006, 02:47



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After a further reading of the rules, I reckon an hour bout is an exceptionally LONG bout.

The rules also state:

"More Bumfph I read"10.6. The Sticklers are to indicate to the wrestlers when they wish the bout to commence and the timekeeper is to srart timing from the first handshake.


10.7. As each bout commences, the wrestlers for the next bout shall be called to the table in readiness.


As each bout commences, the next wrestlers are called in.

Having your next wrestlers sit and watch for an hour seems a tad excessive to me. Maybe on that basis I might guess that a 10 minute bout would be long enough?
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balindsey Posted: 17.12.2006, 12:29



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QuoteThe only reason I can think that a "first one to touch ground" would have won is because neither of the wrestlers had scored any 'pin' points during the match. That would have been a nil all score and the first wrestler then to have his opponent ' touch ground' would have been granted a 'pin point' by one of the 'Sticklers'.


Pretty much what I'd assumed: that such a rule would kick in after a certain amount of time had elapsed (but an *hour*!?).

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After a further reading of the rules, I reckon an hour bout is an exceptionally LONG bout.

The rules also state:

More Bumfph I read wrote:
10.6. The Sticklers are to indicate to the wrestlers when they wish the bout to commence and the timekeeper is to srart timing from the first handshake.


10.7. As each bout commences, the wrestlers for the next bout shall be called to the table in readiness.


As each bout commences, the next wrestlers are called in.

Having your next wrestlers sit and watch for an hour seems a tad excessive to me. Maybe on that basis I might guess that a 10 minute bout would be long enough?


In fact, I thought I read "10 minutes" somewhere at one time, but I can't find it now. I'm familiar with many styles of wresting, and an hour is incredibly long for any form I know of.

In the above-mentioned match, there was nobody waiting in the wings since it was the championship final.

Anybody on this board attend these matches? What are the rules for timing and tie-breaking?
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Hen Posted: 19.01.2007, 02:13



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Just for the fun of it, I wrote to my local Cornish Wrestling Association and gleaned the following. I hope it is of interest to you balindsey.

"Colin Roberts"Dear Hen

Sorry it's taken me a while to get back, have been over in Cornwall for a month ! (dear June, please note new email address for me).

In answer to you questions......................

In the past, there were often no time restrictions and the bout went on until the first 'back' was scored thus ending the bout. Nowadays, time limits are put on and that will depend on the group that are running the competition. Often times it's 10 minutes. At the end of the ten minutes if a back has not been scored the sticklers will tally up the points scored and decide on a winner. If the points are even from the three sticklers the match will be awarded to the wrestler who, in the view of the sticklers, made most play.

Hope that answers both questions.
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