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Why is Cornwall so poor?

jezza Posted: 21.02.2007, 20:02



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I'm not on here to offend any proper Cornish locals, but why is Cornwall so poor, i.e. the poorest county in the UK. Do you feel it has something to do with the culture, location or the previous mass waves of emigration overseas? To be honest I don't blame those who left Cornwall, they were the smart ones!

I'm an Englishman, I was born in England and all of my relatives are ENGLISH, boy! I've been to the local Cornish schools and colleges. Most the people I went to college with were outsiders. The confidence and motivation in Cornwall appears to be zero. For a southern County to be the poorest in the UK is frankly shocking and shows a lack of something somewhere.

The problem with the few locals and yokels who remain, is that they all go around in their own little groups and cliques icon_confused . Interaction with people they don't know and strangers is limited or non-existant. Whatever people say in their clan is OK and if an outsider says anything or has an opinion that is wrong automatically icon_rolleyes . They also just want to continue with the relaxed lifestylee, just might do a few hours work in the pub. What's the point in thaaaaaaaat work see boy?

Most the young Cornish in my town of residence are down eeeeee pub every night. The China Clay seems to be the final industry to be winding up. A lot of the young Cornish / Cornish hybrid women seem to have a bit of an attitude problem, particularly with outsiders. Like the Welsh the Cornish can be very two faced. They'll be nice to your face and do something nasty.

Now brings me onto the final punch line. The houses. You all know that housing in Cornwall is pricey and desirable. I've known locals who simply cash in on the high prices on their inherited house to those emmetts in London, then move into a cheaper place and live off the proceeds icon_biggrin . Suppose it beats hard work.

Cornwall is a place that’s got problems, Jamie Oliver said it too. These are my observations from growing up and living here for 13 years now. You have to admit it and move on to something better icon_razz . So far the only little progress has come from outsiders icon_lol .
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angofbew Posted: 21.02.2007, 20:40

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What a total load of cr*p. Firstly the Cornish never invited you or any other f-ing English person to come and live here. We do not like your attitudes, as you all think that whatever you want is OK, but anyone else is either stupid, blinkered or whatever. The reason Cornwall is so Poor is that the English made it so, period. Cornwall is a Nation and it has been raped Historically by the English, especially by the Dukes of Cornwall. The only way for Cornwall to become a better place is for Cornwall to have Homerule. When the Cornish rule themselves, we will see a growth in our fortunes. During the Industrial Revolution Cornwall was at the forefront, showing that progress came from within and not as you say (wrongly) from outsiders. I for one don't want little England. If any English want to stay and support an Independent Cornwall, you are welcome, if not, go back to where you buggered up your own Country, and leave us to a better CORNISH future.
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jezza Posted: 21.02.2007, 20:53



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Cornwall will never be an independant nation. It never has been, never will be. You've got your answer from the Government and the answer is no. No to the language, no to a self government. No.

How can the Cornish have a future when most of them are now abroad in Brittany, US, Auz etc?
Over 50% of people in Cornwall are English. How do you get over that?

The locals can't run themselves properly and make a success out of things. Objective one was pissed up the wall. I've never seen many locals try anything taxing, just get drunk and do the usual crap jobs, and get jealous of those outsider who are smarter and richer than them. How dare they?

Cornwall will be 80% English and 20% Cornish in a couple of years.

Without England Cornwall would totally fail. I look forward to successful outsiders who can regenerate the place.
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Mike Posted: 21.02.2007, 20:59

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If you're so clever Jezza, why do you need to rant like that?
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frenchie Posted: 21.02.2007, 21:03



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Jezza is a genuine fraud.

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frenchie Posted: 21.02.2007, 21:16



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QuoteI'm not on here to offend any proper Cornish locals,



QuoteThe locals can't run themselves properly and make a success out of things. Objective one was pissed up the wall. I've never seen many locals try anything taxing, just get drunk and do the usual crap jobs, and get jealous of those outsider who are smarter and richer than them. How dare they?


Enough said Wazza..

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chris Posted: 21.02.2007, 21:29

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Quotethey all go around in their own little groups and cliques

Got a bit of a chip on yer shoulder av ee?!

And you're a success story? What have you done, pray tell, that makes you superior to these 'yokels'. At least some of them know how to spell!

Oh, I forgot to mention TROLL ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CK Posted: 21.02.2007, 21:30



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Jezza,
I'm replying to this against my better judgement (I'd rather pretend your post didn't exist and you along with it)
I'm guessing you're reasonably young as am I (28). If in the 13 years you had lived here you had bothered to research a bit about the county rather than taking snapshot observations you wouldn't have written the load of ballcocks you started with becaause you would no the answers!
Few things: -
1. If you think the ones that have moved away are the smart ones, why don't you be "smart" and join them.
2. What as Cornwall being a Southern County have to do with its affluence? Again if you had carried out a bit of research you would understand in many ways Cornwall has more in common with the Industrial North than the South. In some respects the very fact you are making that point goes a long way to explaining how the county ended up in the S**t. (Industry down here went into a massive decline in the early 1980's on a bigger scale (per capita) than the pit closures and steel closures in the North a few years later, however due to the fact that all appeared rosy because it was Cornwall there was no aid, no retraining the people were left to get on with it).
3. One of the main reasons I'm still here is because of attitudes like yours (I'm the most stubborn git you can imagine). When I was completing my degree at CSM, I was told by numerous mates that I would never get a decent job in Cornwall, So I set out to prove them wrong and that I have done.

Now Smart ass be Smart and P*ss off to somewhere you prefer!
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jezza Posted: 21.02.2007, 22:00



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I have a BSc(Hons) and an MSc, University of Plymouth age of 26.
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CK Posted: 21.02.2007, 22:05



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Whoooo whoopee now hows that make you successful? half the population have degrees whats yours surf science? icon_redface
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Mike Posted: 21.02.2007, 22:05

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You should get a job in public relations, Jezza
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grum Posted: 21.02.2007, 22:11

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Although tactlessly put, jezza raises some points I usually pretend don't exist for the sake of an easy life.

There is a huge problem with attitude and apathy in Cornwall, which is why I always maintain that any pro-cornwall organisations should do a bit more front of house stuff.

Give people something to aspire to instead of just leaving them to simply rail against, if you get my meaning.

If you get rid of the duchy and get an assembly, but still have a population hamstrung by the culture of malaise typical accross Cornwall, you'll still be up faecal creek with no means of propulsion.
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Mike Posted: 21.02.2007, 22:19

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Grum, I've seen from a number of your previous postings that you found problems in Cornwall, employment-wise? and the like. Looking around the UK, a malaise is not just restricted to Cornwall. Tell us more. A lot on here would have grown up in Cornwall so we all have an opinion on this.
I don't quite understand what Jezza is trying to tell anyone.
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frenchie Posted: 21.02.2007, 22:36



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Quotef you get rid of the duchy and get an assembly,


I assume you mean Duke, not Duchy..

If Cornwall rids itself of the Duke, and all the illegal practices associated with him, then gets it's own assembly, there will be a new sense of optimism and hope in Cornwall. With the activities of the Duke exposed, together with all his offshoot arselicking associates who have so far benefited from his behind the scenes interventions, then Cornwall will begin a new era. Without the Duke there will be no obstacles preventing Cornwall's recognition as a minority nation, the UK government will be forced by Europe to fund Cornwall's future as a national minority and everyone will feel what it's like to have an invisible oppressive force lifted from it's collective consciousness. Maybe then the inherent Cornish spirit from the past will resurface and set a future trend in motion..

"The Cornish Britons were a hard and obstinate
nation, infexibly fond of liberty and implacable
against all conquerors.

They knew not how to acknowledge themselves
subdued and, after a defeat, only waited till the
victor had disappeared in order to reinstate their
affairs and rob him of his fruits of victory".

C.S. Gilbert. 'Historical Survey of Cornwall' 1817

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jezza Posted: 21.02.2007, 22:49



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I'd like to apologise if I have offended anyone on here. I went a bit over the top, and also posted some sweeping rubbish. My best teachers in education were Cornish, but they always got you to ask questions on things!

I'm just a bit frustrated Cornwall should be flying as Ireland is! Why is Cornwall so poor? I hope things change and Cornwall can retain some of it's well educated people in decent esteemed jobs.
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