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Kernowak: A proposed Standard Written Form for the Cornish language

goky Posted: 13.06.2007, 21:54

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Check the Cornish Orthography Yahoo group, Nosdan
Interesting reading.

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Palores Posted: 13.06.2007, 22:06



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QuoteWhat was the BK incident?

A failed attempt at academic gagging.
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marhak Posted: 14.06.2007, 08:17

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The BK incident was a matter that was entirely between the CLB and the National Library of Wales. No one else was involved, Tim. Don't insinuate otherwise.
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morvran Posted: 14.06.2007, 21:16

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Michael Everson was crowing on CO about the Kesva's publication having been stopped (so he thought), before the threat had been made public here in Cornwall -- it's all in the archives there (unless Morvyl has destroyed the evidence, but we have copies). Michael insisted he had had no contact with the NLW, therefore the information must have come from his nameless informers in Cornwall. What's more, when we made a fuss, the NLW were genuinely embarassed, it's not the sort of thing they would do, they would know all the ins and outs of copyright law better than anyone. So the only conclusion is that somehow they'd been set up. Perhaps in time, someone from within the Library will leak how it was done.

The NLW do not have the copyright of the text of BK, which is nothing to do with ownership of the physical manuscript.

They probably can't even prove title to the ms, it appears to have no provenance, was it even really amongst Caerwyn Williams' papers, he never mentioned it to anyone (not even to Tim) in his lifetime.
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Bardh Posted: 14.06.2007, 21:23

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Yes . . . this is all very mysterious, from a number of aspects. Better relate this in bite-sized chunks, as it's a long and complicated stanza.

Caerwyn was a very learned and generous man. Not with money, since he never acquired material wealth, but with his time and knowledge. If you'd been one of his pupils, you could ring him any time with a question, there's be a few seconds' silence, and then he'd tell you exactly where you needed to look. Even if you were a first-term undergraduate, he'd go out of his way to show you things in which he knew you were interested.

And he never once mentioned to me that a Cornish MS had come into his possession. Very, very, strange. Completely out of character.

To be continued . . .
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morvran Posted: 14.06.2007, 22:23

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... skant ny allav vy gortos ...
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marhak Posted: 14.06.2007, 23:56

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Jesus wept, Keith and Tim. Have you nothing better to do? The MS appeared in Caerwyn Williams's estate. Fact. Nothing sinister. Friends of mine have had a rare Cornish book in their possession and said nothing for several years. He didn't have to say anything to Tim, did he? Will you both please stop trying to create conspiracies and sinister intrigues where none exist.
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morvyl Posted: 15.06.2007, 00:38

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morvranMichael Everson was crowing on CO about the Kesva's publication having been stopped (so he thought), before the threat had been made public here in Cornwall -- it's all in the archives there (unless Morvyl has destroyed the evidence, but we have copies).


I didn't destroy any evidence. You're a member of the group, you could have checked before making allegations such as the above. You are not being nice.
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morvran Posted: 15.06.2007, 01:08

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Keep your hair on Dan, but you did ban Tim but not the obnoxious Piper.

Marhak, it wasn't just any old rare book, it was a priceless bloody manuscript, of which there are only what, five similar, in existance. Just because CW had it in his posession doesn't mean he was its legal owner. And what you don't own you can't give. I'm surprised that the NLW accepted it without making the most stringent enquiries about its origins.
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marhak Posted: 15.06.2007, 08:51

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Well, possession is nine-tenths of the law, Keith. What I can't get on with is the fact that it's being used to cast aspersions on those who simply weren't involved. In any case, what does it matter? It's available, most of us have now seen it and we have two publications resulting from it. That's what really matters. I just wish that Tim wouldn't use it as a hammer to hit others with. I wonder where Caerwyn found it, though. What else is out there?
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goky Posted: 15.06.2007, 10:54

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Oh great and wondrous Marhak, you call Keith and Tim by their real names, while do you not reveal who you are,what do you have to hide.?!

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FlammNew Posted: 15.06.2007, 11:07

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goky, and you are...? icon_confused We should all respect the anonymity of the forum and not reveal people's identities without their consent.



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marhak Posted: 15.06.2007, 11:46

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Oh, miniscule and insignificant one (Goky) - when are you going to contribute something constructive and helpful?
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goky Posted: 15.06.2007, 12:03

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Flamm I was not addressing you, in case you missed that part,

And Marhak, I don't see much from you either, except the usual typical snotty remarks we can expect from all Kernowacky supporters.



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Bardh Posted: 15.06.2007, 12:48

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He is the Fourth Person of the Trinity. He shares his name with the other Persons.
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