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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 11.04.2005, 10:49

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Then why the Cornish, green, left of centre, decentralist quote?

However thanks for bringing these corner stones up because for Cornwall i think they make a sound base for any political party that is concerned about Cornwall and all the people there in.
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 10:54



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"Fulub-le-Breton"Then why the Cornish, green, left of centre, decentralist quote?

However thanks for bringing these corner stones up because for Cornwall i think they make a sound base for any political party that is concerned about Cornwall and all the people there in.


well it was the left of centre bit that was of interest.


Really well according to the cornerstones you're going to condemn a lot of people who work or live in Mid and SE Cornwall, in pretty good jobs, to the dole. Oh and not forgetting those who work in the docks in Falmouth, also a polluter and not very green.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 11.04.2005, 10:54

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No not at all, it would just mean that enviromental regulations were enforced that does not mean the Docks would have to close.
Really where does your logic come from, Green equals no industry, green means we will shut down Imerys; thats child like, you like putting words in my mouth don't you.

Green would equal a much more considerate use and managment of our resources and environment, including the development of renewable energy resources that would create jobs in Cornwall. It would also insure that big industries respected the environment but i don't see how this would chase them out of town.

If change made some unemployed then change MK style would also mean a lot more spending and investment in Cornwall, the creation of jobs and better deal for all in the Duchy.

"""But since 1979, there has been a major shift in taxation from direct to indirect taxation. Tory and Labour reforms have meant light taxes on wealth and profit, but a financial squeeze on the poor. Income tax cuts have resulted in disproportionate gains for the well off while at the same time increases in VAT have fallen hardest upon the poorest in society. In recent years, the impact of the ever-increasing rises in council tax on the less well-off has been especially severe.

Mebyon Kernow – the Party for Cornwall is committed to redressing this imbalance.

We are committed to fair taxation (both general and local) based on ability to pay, with increased spending to be partly funded by shifts in taxation onto the better-off. Mebyon Kernow is opposed to the iniquitous council tax and is campaigning for its replacement by a local income tax collected and retained in Cornwall"""

Thank you MK
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 11:08



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"Fulub-le-Breton"No not at all, it would just mean that enviromental regulations were enforced that does not mean the Docks would have to close.
Really where does your logic come from, Green equals no industry, thats child like. Green would equal a much more considerate use and managment of our resources and environment, including the development of renewable energy resources that would create jobs in Cornwall.

"""But since 1979, there has been a major shift in taxation from direct to indirect taxation. Tory and Labour reforms have meant light taxes on wealth and profit, but a financial squeeze on the poor. Income tax cuts have resulted in disproportionate gains for the well off while at the same time increases in VAT have fallen hardest upon the poorest in society. In recent years, the impact of the ever-increasing rises in council tax on the less well-off has been especially severe.

Mebyon Kernow – the Party for Cornwall is committed to redressing this imbalance.

We are committed to fair taxation (both general and local) based on ability to pay, with increased spending to be partly funded by shifts in taxation onto the better-off. Mebyon Kernow is opposed to the iniquitous council tax and is campaigning for its replacement by a local income tax collected and retained in Cornwall"""

Thank you MK




The phrase moon on a stick comes to mind. This is exactly why most people think of MK as being crack pot. You’ll have to have a bloody high local income tax to fund all their ideas, especially as according to the “cornerstone�, lots of decent jobs would go. And what do they class as the better-off? I earn a descent wage, for down here, so does my wife, our joint income is around £60k and we’ve worked bloody hard to earn it, why should we be worse off?
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 11.04.2005, 11:15

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One in four Cornish children lives in poverty, now cough up!

One in four, you work out what 'better of means'!

higher income tax for the higher wage and a means related replacement for the council tax.

Most people are ignorant of the MK message because MK have such a small publicity budget and the public are mislead by the big parties that paint MK as mad nationalists as opposed to sensibly debating the issues.
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 11:23



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One in four Cornish children lives in poverty, now cough up! Yeah and the definition of poverty in this country is a joke! Why should I have to cough up for the lazy and feckless? Those in hardship I don’t mind coughing up for, but I see plenty of lazy and feckless whos problems stem from their own doing. I’ve worked dammed hard, as did my parents and my grandparents. I was in Thailand on honeymoon in October. We saw people in the streets begging with no legs, this is poverty, the figure of 1 in 4 children is bolloxs, it depends how you define poverty.
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DywGenes Posted: 11.04.2005, 12:28



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While the economy has performed 100% better under Labour than the Tories and a national minimum wage is an excellent idea, Cornwall needs long term investment for skilled jobs. The future for Cornwall is not in mimimum wage jobs. The Duchy has the highest UK unemployment due to a lack of investment (for example London is three times wealthier). This year independent Eurostat figures show that Cornwall is now the only region within the UK that is classed as being amongst the poorest in Europe and is near the bottom of the wealth table along with former communist bloc regions.

Health and Education are supposed to be all important to Labour but why do they squander billions on the Millennium Dome and the Iraq War ?

Why are Cornish schools underfunded compared with those in London ?

Public utility gas, electric, water and rail fares have soared since privatisation - Why are Cornish water rates twice those of London ?

Why are vast amounts spent on London arts and culture and sports facilities but hardly anything on Cornish culture, language or Cornish sporting facilities ?


(Got to agree with the hunting ban though ! icon_biggrin )


What Cornwall needs is more investment and more control over it's own affairs - vote MK or Lib-Dem in Falmouth-Camborne ! icon_biggrin
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 11.04.2005, 12:59

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for the lazy and feckless


Thank you ladies and gentlemen and good night.....
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 13:29



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Public utility gas, electric, water and rail fares have soared since privatisation - Why are Cornish water rates twice those of London.

Erm no they haven’t. electricity is cheaper now than when it was public, water is more expensive, but the reason why I stated in an earlier post. My return fare from Looe to Plymouth has gone up about £1.50 since 1990, not bad at all, considering how much fuel has gone up.
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 13:31



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Thank you ladies and gentlemen and good night.....


so you don't think there are plenty of lazy b'stards around then? Bloody hell I went to School with loads of em. Spent their entire time messing around at school, and what money they do get they choose to spend down the pub, thats their fault not mine!
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DywGenes Posted: 11.04.2005, 13:46



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"And funny enough the trains were shocking when under public ownership, as was the water (one reason why are bills are so high and have been for years, the old phrase was there’s no votes in sewerage, so governments invested nothing!)"

That doesn't explain why water rates are twice as high in Cornwall as in London or why Cornish schools receive far less funding than London ?

Could it be there a bias here towards the mass vote of the South-East ?
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 13:48



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Totally agree with you there. But the reason the water is so expensive is that we have miles of coastline that needs to been cleaned up. In Polperro we still have raw sewerage pumped out to see as there is no treatment works in the village.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 11.04.2005, 13:51

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so you don't think there are plenty of lazy b'stards around then? Bloody hell I went to School with loads of em. Spent their entire time messing around at school, and what money they do get they choose to spend down the pub, thats their fault not mine!


So this is your explination for the shocking state of the Cornish economy
Ooooh K!

So you will be voting Conservative or UKIP perhaps? go on tell us!
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DywGenes Posted: 11.04.2005, 13:57



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<<< the reason the water is so expensive is that we have miles of coastline that needs to been cleaned up. >>>

Ah, so it's Cornwall's fault that we have so much coastline that has to be cleaned ready for the tourist season and there has been no investment from Labour/Tory over the years !

Also any idea why London schools receive far more funding than those in Cornwall ?
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 14:30



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You won’t get any argument from me, Cornwall has been let down by every government going, but renationalising utilities won't solve anything.
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