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Give Candy Atherton grief in the GE!

fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 14:34



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so you don't think there are plenty of lazy b'stards around then? Bloody hell I went to School with loads of em. Spent their entire time messing around at school, and what money they do get they choose to spend down the pub, thats their fault not mine!


So this is your explination for the shocking state of the Cornish economy
Ooooh K!

So you will be voting Conservative or UKIP perhaps? go on tell us!


might vote Tory, won't be voting UKIP there an even bigger bunch of loons than MK. As I've said before extreme parties of what ever colour are never a good thing.

One of Cornwalls biggest problems is communication links, shit roads, shit rail and shit air links. Even Plymouth suffers from this, losing out to Exeter, so what hope has Cornwall. Objective one money should have been invest in these areas (like happened in Spain etc)
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 11.04.2005, 16:27

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Infrastructure is one thing but firms to use this infrastructure and generate wealth is another.

Developing the tourist trade and roads to bring them here should only be one part of an economic approach to Cornwall because condeming Cornish youth to working in very low paid no hope service industrie jobs is no kind of solution.

That is unless you are the type to say 'i earn 60K a year i am all right sod the rest of you!'

Investment needs money from somewhere and a democratic body (elected by the people of Cornwall) to oversee the correct use of this money. Labour and the Tories do not support a Cornish Assembly and the Lib dems just don't seem to know.
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DywGenes Posted: 11.04.2005, 16:53



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<<< might vote Tory >>>

I remember them - 16% mortgage and inflation rates, poll tax riots and keep the working man in the gutter - Just what we need ! icon_biggrin

vote MK or Lib-Dem !
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 20:42



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"Fulub-le-Breton"Infrastructure is one thing but firms to use this infrastructure and generate wealth is another.

Developing the tourist trade and roads to bring them here should only be one part of an economic approach to Cornwall because condeming Cornish youth to working in very low paid no hope service industrie jobs is no kind of solution.

That is unless you are the type to say 'i earn 60K a year i am all right sod the rest of you!'

Investment needs money from somewhere and a democratic body (elected by the people of Cornwall) to oversee the correct use of this money. Labour and the Tories do not support a Cornish Assembly and the Lib dems just don't seem to know.


Before you try and aim a snide comment at me I suggest you read my post, I didn't say I was on 60k a year (I wish), I said my HOUSEHOLD income was around 60k that’s with my wife and I working, hardly a vast sum. We both worked at school went to Uni did decent degrees (not tin pot media studies, etc) and then both did Masters after. Also both worked in shite low paid jobs for a while, so I know what its like to be “poor�. I work hard as does the wife and we're both still young with no kids. She has several mates her age with kids both getting not much off the state, (no fathers around of course, both pissed around at school etc) again that’s their decision.

Infrastructure is vital. If you’re a manufacture, or a producer you need to get your good to market., If you’re in the service sector chances are you need to be able to get to London in a reasonable time for meeting etc. I go to London several times a year as well as other parts of the UK may be once every couple of months, and its bad enough getting around from Plymouth let alone from down west. I used to work in the yard in Falmouth, had to travel in the UK when there as well and it was a bloody nightmare. But its not only Cornwall that gets overlooked, although it is worse here, most of the country think things stop at Bristol. I work in IT and there are few good jobs this side of Bristol, even fewer west of Plymouth. Why have a business in Conrwall when its another 3 hours on the train from Exeter to Penzance, why have the hassle.
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fancyabrew Posted: 11.04.2005, 20:43



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"DywGenes"<<< might vote Tory >>>

I remember them - 16% mortage and inflation rates, poll tax riots and keep the working man in the gutter - Just what we need ! icon_biggrin

vote MK or Lib-Dem !


Good grief give me strenght.
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Stan Posted: 11.04.2005, 21:08



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All this from Fanct aBrew reminds me of the Poor Law with deserving and underserving poor etc. Perhaps the phrase 'hardworking families' has just such an echo whether used by Tories or Mew Lab.

Incidentally as one who has from time to time sent rockets to Labour HQ I am somehow on their supporters list ( to be fair in pre internet days I was a member) I have been one of the 100,000 'supporters receiving emails. Tonght I had an invite to watch the evenings sickly party bradcast (love in). Interestingly it was signed by a certain Alistair Campbell!

Still coming from the sort of man who merits an ASBO it reminded me just why not to vote Labour. I will either vote Green out of conviction or Lib Dem to keep the two dinassour parties out.

BTW nobody has explained Blair's lie about a referendum on proportional representation in 1997. Why didn't Candy hold him to account?
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fancyabrew Posted: 12.04.2005, 09:18



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so you don't think there is such a thing as the undeserving poor? I think many would disagree with you.

I didn't think the Greens were standing in Cornwall
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Stan Posted: 12.04.2005, 10:19



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I think there are as many undeserving rich. Often it is a means of arrogantly stigmatising others as was the case with Poor Laws.

I do not currently live in Cornwall. I live in Lib Dem/Conservative marginal.

The Greens have an agreement with MK and support MK candidates in Cornwall.
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fancyabrew Posted: 12.04.2005, 10:25



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"Stan"I think there are as many undeserving rich. Often it is a means of arrogantly stigmatising others as was the case with Poor Laws.

I do not currently live in Cornwall. I live in Lib Dem/Conservative marginal.

The Greens have an agreement with MK and support MK candidates in Cornwall.


That might well be true, I don't care rich or poor if their undeserving they're undeserving.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 12.04.2005, 10:26

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Before you try and aim a snide comment at me


Don't even try to take the moral high ground you hypocritical tory.

""The poor are such because they are feckless and lazy, there is more poverty in Cornwall so they must be a feckless and lazy bunch""

This is your insulting and narrow minded tosh.

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fancyabrew Posted: 12.04.2005, 10:40



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Your logic doesn't follow. I come from a poor background the difference is I don’t sit around and moan that the government isn't giving me enough for not getting off my arse. Or moan that Cornwall should have its own assembly etc, grow up! There are plenty of Cities in this country with populations bigger than Cornwall, should we be giving them their own assembly? You’re always harking back to the past, the UK has moved on the world has moved on and Cornwall (thank god) has moved on, pity MK hasn’t. I don’t want an assembly or any other layer of politicians spouting crap and interfering in my life thank you very much, got enough of that already.
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DywGenes Posted: 12.04.2005, 13:06



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You could get get rid of three layers of government in Westminster, SW assembly and Cornwall Council and replace with one locally elected Cornish Assembly. Where do you draw the line - Wales must be too small in your reasoning as it's population is only 2.9million compared with say Yorkshire's 5 million ?
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fancyabrew Posted: 12.04.2005, 13:47



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bigger than 500,000. and Wales JUST voted in favour, and how many of the 500,000 in cornwall are cornish and so actually give a monkies?
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Mike Posted: 12.04.2005, 14:27

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fancyabrew, you're wasting your time, as an architypal Tory you should be out there 'battling for Britain' - balancing dodgy spreadsheets on the economy, snooping on gypsies over hedges, burying the Howard Flight tapes, along with tampered photos of immigrants and any other divisive tactic you can think of!
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DywGenes Posted: 12.04.2005, 14:59



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<<< Wales JUST voted in favour >>>
A recent poll showed that over 50% of Cornish residents are in favour of a Cornish Assembly, a much higher percentage than any other area of the UK which does not already have one.

Why don't the New Lab/Tory dinosaurs let The Duchy have a vote on it - if people in Cornwall "couldn't give a monkies" as you say what are they afraid of ?

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