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Truro Football stadium plans approved

TeamKernow Posted: 29.06.2007, 00:30

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Graham H.

1.'It is my experience that politically minded people have very little or no knowledge of sport and the positive impact it has on communities' - inapplicable generalisation.

2.Overdevelopment + infrastructure overload + congestion has been wrecking Truro for the last 10 years at least. This plan as currently formulated would dangerously compound the problems that have followed.

3.This proposal relies on further unsustainable overdevelopment of open spaces within the bounds of Truro for its viability.Unless Mr Heaney funds this or a better more environmentally respectful alternative scheme from cash, additional overdevelopment and this proposal will remain intertwined. (Another term for so-called 'planning gain' is BRIBE).

4.Everyone with some social awareness wants young people to be able to aspire to realise their capabilities and talents as fully as possible,Graham.However,the scope for enabling that needs to be tempered with the wisdom of experience along with leadership that takes full account of potentially adverse consequences in other areas.

5.The Carrick Planning Officers recommended refusal of this particular proposal for sound reasons.The elected members were susceptible to lobbying by understandably enthusiastic,loyal and committed members of the public and went against the recommendation.In this particular instance the Officers appear to be more right than the elected members.

6.Development of this site by Mr Heaney would create a monopolist situation,the de-centralisation of sporting facilities to a remote peripheral location and the gradual but incremental loss of further open spaces within Truro, as they become rendered redundant, to further overdevelopment.

This proposal represents environmental loss and impact double jeopardy with all the hazards that would flow.

In the scrutiny phase of deliberation,Carrick should turn this game around and tell Mr Heaney to kick this particular plan into touch and go off and work up a single pitch stadium plan, that leaves the other existing pitches intact, at a location with significantly fewer adverse environmental,infrastructure and social impacts and handicaps and adverse consequences elsewhere.




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chris Posted: 29.06.2007, 20:51

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I remember when football didn't exist in Cornwall. It was only overweight northerners who wore football shirts. Most people can get away with old style cotton rugby shirts, but football shirts, everyone looks bad in football shirts!
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joaniewillett Posted: 29.06.2007, 22:40



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You dont come round the Clays much do you Chris!

For donkeys years St Dennis has two football clubs with seperate pitches (one with a bar) and a womens football team too.

....And no rugby visible anywhere. My late father in law, a Clay and Cornish man to the core, played football back in the forties and fifties and was reputed to have been rather good.
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marhak Posted: 29.06.2007, 23:38

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Chris, how old are you? I'm 56 and started my footballing with Falmouth Town when I was 15 (having already played in goal for Cornwall Schools). I was at Argyle for a season in 1968-69 and played on until I was 48 (after several attempts at retirement, but everyone was after a half decent goalkeeper).

Even before that I remember watching Falmouth Town v Oxford United in the 1st round proper of the FA Cup. I think that was 1962. Bickland Park was packed out.

No, old pal, footie has been around in Cornwall as long as rugby has.
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TeamKernow Posted: 30.06.2007, 08:43

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What you say is no doubt true,marhak.

But should such natural affinities,loyalties and enthusiasms over-ride prudent and sensible land management practices?

Turning Truro into even more of a Boscastle/Carlisle/Sheffield flood time-bomb...








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Coady Posted: 30.06.2007, 11:12

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I always got the impression there was a BIT of a class thing about the rugby/football issue.
I think the traditional industrial areas in Cornwall have had 'soccer' for ages.

Look at the records of Rugby clubs though, and going back several years there seem to be a lot of 'posh' names...lot of grammar school/ public school influence there!

My 'old man' took me to Plymouth Home Park a few times in the 60s, and the 'football special' trains were packed.

We live in interesting times.
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chris Posted: 01.07.2007, 13:07

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I was actually more talking about Premiership football and the idea of kids walking round with the shirts of teams in towns they had never even been to.
I have no doubt football has existed in Cornwall for a fair while, however, it has never been the obligatory conversation topic of men in pubs - which beleive me it is in most parts of England!
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marhak Posted: 01.07.2007, 14:00

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You can't be visiting many pubs, then, especially durting the football season.
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joaniewillett Posted: 01.07.2007, 16:12



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chrisI was actually more talking about Premiership football and the idea of kids walking round with the shirts of teams in towns they had never even been to.
I have no doubt football has existed in Cornwall for a fair while, however, it has never been the obligatory conversation topic of men in pubs - which beleive me it is in most parts of England!


I repeat Chris - you dont get out round the Clays do you! icon_smile

Football takes over the working mans club in St Dennis, and many people come to the club specifically to watch it, big games and smaller games alike. It also forms a large part of many people's general interests.

And it was the same amongst the kids I went to school with in St Mabyn (predominantly farming/agricultural families) during the 1980's. Then it wasn't football shirts, but just about all of the boys had a Liverpool FC pencil case and possibly a bag too. Later at secondary school (Wadebridge) Man U took over and everyone supported them. Very few people were for Plymouth Argyle though, although someone I knew (Padstonian) was in thier youth team or something.

Just because there has been no Cornish side in the League, surely doesn't mean that we shouldn't aspire to one if a team is planning on giving it a go? Whatever the finer politiking of the Truro plans, my gut reaction is that it would be a good thing?

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marhak Posted: 01.07.2007, 17:40

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It's a funny thing about "class" in sport. If you look at a rugby or cricket team list, you see the players listed by every one of their initials as well as their surname. I.P.A.Blogg-Hacker; J.S.T.A. Shaggnasty, etc. Football is different. Just P. Treloar, R. Polglaze, etc. I've often wondered why this is? (Oh, one exception - this A.N. Other, who seems to be signed for everyone!).
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goky Posted: 01.07.2007, 18:06

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Isn't football a game bought to Cornwall by Anglo Imperialism??

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porthia1947 Posted: 01.07.2007, 19:21



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QuoteIsn't football a game bought to Cornwall by Anglo Imperialism??


If so the Cornish were big dupes of the Anglo Imperialist as I believe Cornish mining communities were responsible for taking soccer (as the word 'football' was used for rugby as well as soccer where I was brought up)to many native central and south American communities. icon_smile
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joaniewillett Posted: 01.07.2007, 19:43



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Actually, I think that I read this on the Mining World Heritage Site ads in Paddington station - specifically, that the Cornish introduced football to Mexico icon_biggrin
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porthia1947 Posted: 01.07.2007, 19:51



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QuoteJust because there has been no Cornish side in the League, surely doesn't mean that we shouldn't aspire to one if a team is planning on giving it a go? Whatever the finer politiking of the Truro plans, my gut reaction is that it would be a good thing?


I agree but in terms of the environment how far do we go in ignoring/turning the other cheek to the possibility of developers using all sorts of ploys to get land for housing development much of which is only in the price range of people moving in. The Truro FC owner is not just an enthusiastic supporter of soccer in Cornwall, he is also a millionaire and a developer. My problem is not with him as a millionaire or developer, but with housing developments on relatively virgin land land that a great many people in Cornwall can't afford, the continuing centralisation of amenities on Truro and the fact that New Labour have forced us into accepting that all our needs should be financed by private finance initiatives (yes including health) and for this we should be prepared to tip our caps to those providing the finance without ever questioning their agendas or motives.

What if another millionaire developer came along and said he wanted to give a a couple of million pounds to help the promotion of the Cornish language, but that person wanted to turn St Austell Bay into a giant marina. Where would ones stance be on that?





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marhak Posted: 01.07.2007, 21:19

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TK, do you really think that this development at the top of Kenwyn Hill will create flooding problems? Has the gross overdevelopment of the Gloweth-Treliske area done so? (Good Cornish names now knocked off the map by Cornwall Highways who have renamed it "Maiden Green").
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