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fancyabrew Posted: 09.07.2007, 12:39



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signing a contract for 30 years is a different issue. At this present time given the pressure that CCC is under there aren’t any alternatives. You’re NOT going to get Cornwall’s recycling rates anywhere near Canberra if you live to be a hundred. I’m afraid we’re talking about now, all your suggestions, no matter how nice and green they might be, aren’t going to solve the current problem.
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DuchyDame Posted: 09.07.2007, 13:01



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Fancyabrewsigning a contract for 30 years is a different issue.

Signing a contract for 30 years is a major part of the issue and if you don't think there are alternatives you need research more. There are other authorities who have not gone down the incinerator route.

FancyabrewYou’re NOT going to get Cornwall’s recycling rates anywhere near Canberra

Defeatest attitude !


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fancyabrew Posted: 09.07.2007, 13:07



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realistic attitude, you're not comparing like with like
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DuchyDame Posted: 09.07.2007, 13:41



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Population of Kernow is what 500K ?

Poulation of Canberra 313K.

We have more population but the collection services are all in place in Kernow so the fact that we are more rural doesn't come into it and you said yourself that in Polperro it is excellent so all that needs to be done is a concerted effort on the part of CCC/Sita to recycle properly. Problem is that if we do this we won't have anything to burn and we are back to the importing of waste scenario again. There is a lack of will to seriously recycle and a lack of proper resources to help people to recycle !

FB you still haven't answered my question...what happens if in a few years time after an incinerator is built new technology becomes available. Also what if the government of the time imposes an incineration tax. Both very likely to happen.

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fancyabrew Posted: 09.07.2007, 13:55



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DuchyDamePoulation of Canberra 313K.

We have more population but the collection services are all in place in Kernow so the fact that we are more rural doesn't come into it


Really I beg to differ its all about population density, its far far far easier to collect in an urban environment, if you can’t work that one out you’re really lacking.

And yes our kerbside collection is pretty bleedy good, a nightmare to collect but pretty good. I’m sure someone out there has worked out the extra overhead to collect in a rural compared to an urban environment.
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DuchyDame Posted: 09.07.2007, 14:24



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Fancyabrewif you can’t work that one out you’re really lacking

Resorting to personal comments now !

You are missing the point. Our collection service is already in place. It's happening now. Increased recycling comes from what they do after collection or they could do like some other areas do now which is to sort at roadside as they collect.

You still haven't answered my question !

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fancyabrew Posted: 09.07.2007, 14:49



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I'm not reporting to personal comments, its just that easy of collection has everything to do with recycling, you can't compare urban and rural environments.

What happens in the future will be determined by the contract between CCC and Sita
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DuchyDame Posted: 09.07.2007, 14:55



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FB It seems you have no real answers to my questions. No point in continuing with no answers coming back.

I'll give you the satisfaction of having the last say but I think I can safely declare this

Game Set and Match to DuchyDame.



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fancyabrew Posted: 09.07.2007, 15:06



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Not really, no matter what you come up with someone (us) will have to pay for it. For it to be commercially viable a long term contract will have to be signed, CCC could never afford it on their own.
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CK Posted: 09.07.2007, 19:29



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Duchydame, you keep asking what happens in afew years time if a better option comes up.
While the answer to that is the rubbish will still go the incinerator, as you say the beast needs to be fed.

However what happens in a few years time if something else doesn't come up?

The answer is it will be sitting in the streets rotting.

Why? Because there will be nowhere else for it to go.

CCC are at the 11th hour, they have to do something NOW. As I said earlier they sat around with their thumbs up their arses rather than doing something. They don't have the time to do it again, United Downs has no more room for expansion!

I know its not ideal, but thats the reality of the situation
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joaniewillett Posted: 09.07.2007, 20:20



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DuchyDame
JW'Fact' is a funny thing that really means 'opinion'.

Well actually Joannie the dictionary definition of 'Fact' is :-
Noun - a thing that is indisputably the case.

Nothing to do with opinions.


Sorry DD. Fancy is bang on on this one. We think of science as giving us definitive knowledge, but in reality everything is up for dispute.

But this is good, because it means that Sita's data is equally as disputable. icon_smile We just have to make sure that 'our' information is more 'credible', by 'better' sources that, at the very least can do as Dr Dick Van Steenis does and expose the massive holes and flaws in 'thier' own research.
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joaniewillett Posted: 09.07.2007, 20:41



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We also need to be looking at why CCC is planning on such a large incineratory, and not following a similar proactive line to Devon in introducing both mandatory municiple recycling, and here I disagree that we have excellent recycling. Actually its pants. We are light years behind other areas. Rural ones too.

Devon CC also has a lobbying arm, pushing for more consideration about rubbish on a legislative and corporate level rather than just an individual one.

I fully understand the points about how we need to tackle the waste now, with what we have going now, but the thing is that CCC have been so slow and reactive about the whole waste issue whilst many around them (eg Devon) were taking an active line in pursuing thought through long term solutions.

Why on earth should Cornwall be saddled with such a monstrosity as this incinerator just because CCC couldn't plan strategically more than a week ahead? If this all blows up in thier faces (metaphorically of course!) then just maybe they might be a) voted out next time round, or b) learn a valuable lesson from their past stupidity.

And it really sticks in my throat that all of the pro-environment policies coming from local government in our vicinity are coming from Devon. Why, when people have a perception that Cornwall is so green and pretty, do we have a council that cant capitalise on this image?
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