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DuchyDame Posted: 05.07.2007, 07:33



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So what is the latest on this proposed incinerator ? St.Dennis people/Stig please enlighten us.

Perhaps CCC will come to their senses and realise that whilst the rest of the world has woken up to the concept that burning our waste is ...well...wasteful and polluting, CCC are pursuing a 30 year period of burning and pollution.

Given the current drive towards more recycling, reducing packaging, reducing emissions, reducing traffic pollution and dealing with waste close to source surely this incinerator will be a huge white elephant and a burden to all Kernow tax payers within a very short space of time.

It will not be just the people of St.Dennis that suffer but all of us who are so proud of our Duchy.
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Coady Posted: 05.07.2007, 14:12

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St Erth (recycling site for Penwith) has SITA signs up and is under SITA management. New access road and layout have been built.. no expense spared!

Graham.

We live in interesting times.
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marhak Posted: 05.07.2007, 14:47

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What's a SITA when it's home, Graham? THis is like the BBC who love to regale us all with initials and expect us to know what they stand for (and what they're talking about) when they haven't actually bothered to explain (this is one of my grumpy old men gripes - like toilet paper, which come in tightly wrpaped multi-packs but when you take one out, some bugger has stuck down the end!! You have to shred half the roll in order to get a serviceable sheet!). TTFN
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Coady Posted: 05.07.2007, 15:17

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http://www.sita.co.uk/

.. A French owned company I think, the firm now used to manage Cornwall's waste, and that plans to build THE incinerator up Clay Country way.

(It might stand for Smoke Into The Atmosphere)

All the crap you chuck in your wheelie bin at Newbridge will end up being burnt near St Dennis, via Penwith's depot at St Erth.

People up St Austell way aren't very impressed by the plans....
.......Mind you, people up St Day are glad that it will soon stop being dumped in their back yard!

Environmentalists are NOT at all pleased either!


We live in interesting times.
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fancyabrew Posted: 05.07.2007, 16:06



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you can't please everybody
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joaniewillett Posted: 05.07.2007, 22:17



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SITA is owned by French conpany Suez who have a really nasty corporate record

http://www.food...rations/Suez

As for the incinerator, Stig are still waiting (and busily preparing) for the planning application to be submitted. This was supposed to happen last January, so read into the delay what you like. There are abundant rumours that many of the 'partners' involved are getting cold feet.

Quite apart from that incineration is yesterdays technology, and that with increases in recycling and reduction in packaging the incinerator will be far too big, and that the health effects of incinerator are far from being in the clear, it is also a fab way for Sita/Suez to make millions out of us, the taxpayer, that will then go straight out of Cornwall.

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DuchyDame Posted: 06.07.2007, 07:41



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JW - Pleased to hear that Stig are still fighting against this ridiculous proposal by CCC.

fancyabrewyou can't please everybody


It's not a question of pleasing people it's about doing what is right for the future of Kernow. Whilst parts of other countries like Canada and Australia are making serious efforts to deal with their waste in a sensible fashion, here we are still pursuing this archaic idea that burning our waste is a brilliant idea. Anybody who cares about the future of this beautiful Duchy should be concerned about having an incinerator anywhere in Kernow. If the people of Stig are not supported by the rest of the Duchy it will be too late when this monstrosity is built and Sita are bringing in waste from other counties or other countries to burn and pollute our Duchy. Sita are not in this for the benefit of the people of Kernow. Sita are in it to make money which like JW has stated will go outside of Kernow and the UK

If you feel anything for this Duchy do something to stop this incinerator

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fancyabrew Posted: 06.07.2007, 09:15



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That’s your view Duchy but not everybody shares it. All I can say about Sita is what I find. They do a good job with the kerbside recycling and Conon Bridge recycling facilities are far better now than they were before.
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DuchyDame Posted: 06.07.2007, 12:47



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Smartening up the recycling centres is superficial.

Sita's strategy is I find somewhat puzzling. They intend to improve kerbside collections leading to increased recycling and yet they still seem to think there will be enough waste left to burn and keep this 240K Tonnes per annum beast fed. We could recycle like crazy here in Kernow but the beast will have to be fed and where are they going to procure any shortfall in waste to feed the beast.

Can you work that one out Fanyabrew ?

Presumably Fancyabrew as a resident of Kernow and a taxpayer you are concerned about what happens to your waste so perhaps if you disagree with me you could enlighten us on how YOU think we should deal with our waste.
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fancyabrew Posted: 06.07.2007, 13:21



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I can only say it as I see it, so far Sita have done a good job.

DuchyDame
Presumably Fancyabrew as a resident of Kernow and a taxpayer you are concerned about what happens to your waste so perhaps if you disagree with me you could enlighten us on how YOU think we should deal with our waste.


I was hoping you were going to do this. As I see it your main beef is you don't want an incinerator built near you. I expect you’ll come out with a few papers which support your concerns on the health risks of incineration, but as I work in the sciencetific community I know you can get papers that’ll “prove” what you’re saying and the otherside will produce papers to counter the argument.

Waste is NOT a straightforward subject, there is a BIG picture and NO easy answers.
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DuchyDame Posted: 06.07.2007, 14:38



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FancyabrewAs I see it your main beef is you don't want an incinerator built near you.

Please show me where in any of my previous posts I have said I do not want an incinerator near me. I don't want an incinerator anywhere in Kernow. Not even near you.

FancyabrewI was hoping you were going to do this.

That's an opt out. Answer my question.

Fancyabrewbut as I work in the sciencetific community I know you can get papers that’ll “prove” what you’re saying and the otherside will produce papers to counter the argument.

If this is the way you view your 'scientific' work you are in the wrong job. If you spend your working day on 'scientific' projects with the view that your findings will always be discredited then you are wasting your time.

fancyabrewWaste is NOT a straightforward subject, there is a BIG picture and NO easy answers.

Please explain your statement.
Waste IS a straight forward subject. You collect it, sort it and dispose of it sensibly. Try reading som Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and Gaia documents.

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fancyabrew Posted: 06.07.2007, 14:49



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You’re falling in to the old trap of believing what Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and Gaia, et al say as gospel, they can and do have their own agendas, its not just “Big business” who have agendas.

And you really think waste management is an easy issue do you, says it all really.
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fancyabrew Posted: 06.07.2007, 14:53



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fancyabrewIf this is the way you view your 'scientific' work you are in the wrong job. If you spend your working day on 'scientific' projects with the view that your findings will always be discredited then you are wasting your time.



That’s pretty much how science works, that’s why you have peer review.



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DuchyDame Posted: 06.07.2007, 15:00



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My friend you have nothing to say. No solutions nothing. You make no attempt to enter into sensible debate about solutions to the waste produced in kernow.

Come on, explain some of your comments :-

Fancyabrewthey can and do have their own agendas
there is a BIG picture
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fancyabrew Posted: 06.07.2007, 15:11



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You really think that they don't have they're own agendas that they actively push? You're very naïve if you think this. Just because they aren’t in business doesn’t mean to say that what they say shouldn’t be challenged.

The UK is in a big mess when it comes to waste management as we’ve failed to recycle properly for years. We’re way behind most of mainland Europe (certainly our major European peers) The whole WEEE fiasco is a classic example of this, 3 years late and large parts of the infrastructure to deal with electrical waste still doesn’t exist. We can’t even get our waste batteries recycled and my lab has a hell of a job disposing of glassware.

The BIG picture means that there isn’t just one answer, we need to reduce packaging, reduce consumption, manage disposal properly using the best overall solution, if this is incineration then so be it. There arn’t any easy fixes.
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