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abednego Posted: 19.04.2005, 10:28



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Well now, a poll in the 17 April Sunday Times reports that a large majority think that MPs for seats in Scotland should be barred from voting in the UK parliament on issues that affect not Scotland but only England. At present they can vote on England-only issues and do.

And an even larger majority think Scotland gets too big a share of Britain’s public spending - remember the Barnett Formula which gives Scotland (and Wales and N Ireland) more British tax money per head for public spending compared with England.

These views are probably an effect of Scottish devolution.

As you know demands for an English parliament are beginning to be made. It looks likely that Cornish political nationalism is going to have to address English political nationalism.

Let's see where political nationalists, MK, assembly-aficionados, and Conventionists in Cornwall stand:

Should MPs for seats in Scotland be barred from voting in the UK parliament on England-only issues and laws?

Should the Barnett Formula be be kept as it is, rejigged to be fairer to England, or replaced with a different way of redistributing British taxes for public spending around Britain?

And if Cornwall gets devolved government…

Should the present, unreformed Formula be applied to a devolved Cornwall too?

Should MPs for seats in a devolved Cornwall be barred from voting in the UK parliament on non-Cornwall, England-only issues?
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CJenkin Posted: 19.04.2005, 13:50



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Good questions Abednego.

I have no problem with England establishing a devolved assembly (or assemblies) as long as it doesn't include Cornwall.

In which case it would be perfectly fair for English AMs to vote only on English matters. I suggest the best place for an English parliament if you choose that path is Birmingham and then it won't get confused with the UK state parliament in Westminster.

Of course, if Scotland became independent they wouldn't send any MPs (or tax) to Westminster and your problems would be solved.

Perhaps England will never really be at ease with itself until it shakes off these tiresome celtic rumps, and itself becomes an independent state.

All the best
a true independent Cornishman
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nxylas Posted: 19.04.2005, 17:42



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"CJenkin"Of course, if Scotland became independent they wouldn't send any MPs (or tax) to Westminster and your problems would be solved.


Only if Wales, Cornwall and Northern Ireland followed suit. I don't think there's much appetite for full independence in the first two, and there is positive hostility to the idea from the Unionist community in the latter.
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abednego Posted: 21.04.2005, 00:05



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QuoteGood questions


But no answers from MK etc.
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CJenkin Posted: 22.04.2005, 11:53



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Okay Abednego some specific MK answers ...
QuoteShould MPs for seats in Scotland be barred from voting in the UK parliament on England-only issues and laws?


No, because it is a UK parliament not an English Parliament. All constituent parts of the UK should have a say on issues discussed in the state Parliament. If you want to split off the 'English' only issues then you need a separate parliament/assembly from the State one. As I suggested try Birmingham!

QuoteShould the Barnett Formula be be kept as it is, rejigged to be fairer to England, or replaced with a different way of redistributing British taxes for public spending around Britain?


No, scrap the centralised redistribution of money. I think more tax should be collected locally and spent locally cutting out the middleman in Westminster that wastes so much on admin.

QuoteShould the present, unreformed Formula be applied to a devolved Cornwall too?


If devolution occurs for Cornwall and the preferred route for funding can't be followed there would have to be a fair formula for redistribution from the centre. Remember Cornwall doesn't get fair funding now for Education, County Council Administration and Health Services in comparison to London and the South East. All these are currently managed by the devolved administrations in the UK.

QuoteShould MPs for seats in a devolved Cornwall be barred from voting in the UK parliament on non-Cornwall, England-only issues?


See above answer re: Scots. The answer is to have either one English Parliament or regional govt. within England. Then there would be no need to discuss English only issues in the state parliament as is presently done.

Is this a thorough enough MK answer for you?
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fancyabrew Posted: 22.04.2005, 13:01



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Seems like you want it both ways. In one paragraph you say scrap centralised redistribution of money and in the next you ask for redistribution from the centre. Which is it to be?
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irish_monk Posted: 22.04.2005, 13:17



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Are u the real connan jenkin?
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Mike Posted: 22.04.2005, 13:35

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Fancyabrew wrote:
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Seems like you want it both ways. In one paragraph you say scrap centralised redistribution of money and in the next you ask for redistribution from the centre. Which is it to be?


cjenkin wrote:
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If devolution occurs for Cornwall and the preferred route for funding can't be followed there would have to be a fair formula for redistribution from the centre.


Seems clear to me
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fancyabrew Posted: 22.04.2005, 13:41



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Seems to me like if we can't raise the cash ourselves we'll go cap in hand to the UK. That'll go down well with the rest of the UK
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CJenkin Posted: 24.04.2005, 10:15



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Fancyabrew clearly is lacking in understanding the argument if he can't interpret the previous post. As mike says it is pretty obvious. I don't want to go cap in hand to anyone, Westminster or Brussels.
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