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Eddie-C Posted: 19.08.2007, 15:34

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Foreign acronyms and abbreviations pose a particular problem in many languages, particularly where you have a largely bilingual population. Some of the possibilities are:

-- just use the Anglo-American acronym with Anglo-American pronunciation,
-- use it but with a local pronunciation
-- use a home-grown expression
-- make an acronym from the home-grown expression.

In Welsh, I've heard most of these used by different native speakers for, say, the British Broadcasting Corporation: /Bee Bee See/, /Bay Bay Eck'/ , 'Corfforaeth Darlledu Brydeinig', but I don't recall hearing the corresponding acronyms for the latter one (i.e. /See Dee Bee/ or /Eck Day Bay/).

Overall, though, I'd guess that there's rather more of a tendency to use use 1st-language acronyms and abbreviations in a minority language that there is to use 1-st language words. That would, I fancy, not be as true for common acronyms (e.g., i.e., E.U., etc.) as for less common ones (R.S.V.P., R.I.P., et seq.).

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goky Posted: 20.08.2007, 11:33

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the Great Weetheralls says.

QuoteNo retraction or apology from Keith then, re the Chubbs, even though his accusation re Dalleth has been shown to be utterly wrong. What a surprise.


cannot leave an issue alone can you, maybe Keith has a life and has not been on this forum to reply yet or maybe he feels he does not need to respond to any of the Kernowackys, only to get spit on.

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Jtreworth Posted: 20.08.2007, 15:10

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gokythe Great Weetheralls says.

QuoteNo retraction or apology from Keith then, re the Chubbs, even though his accusation re Dalleth has been shown to be utterly wrong. What a surprise.


cannot leave an issue alone can you, maybe Keith has a life and has not been on this forum to reply yet or maybe he feels he does not need to respond to any of the Kernowackys, only to get spit on.


Talk about not leaving an issue alone! Or not having a life.

You seem unable to leave anyone or thing alone for long Goky. Who cares about your website?

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angofbew Posted: 20.08.2007, 17:06

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Can we please cut out all the personal attacks. It is not helping in any way, and continues to broaden the gap between the Camps. I wish all sides could understand that their opinions are not set in Stone. Others have their opinions which are just as valid. This is no way to reach a comprimise, we have to work together. As a united front is the ONLY way for the Language to succeed.
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Eddie-C Posted: 20.08.2007, 17:37

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angofbewCan we please cut out all the personal attacks. It is not helping in any way, and continues to broaden the gap between the Camps.


I totally agree, O Smithly One! Perhaps we might avoid such gratuitous insults as 'prat', 'shit' and 'dickhead' on these threads, eh?

Now, where did I last hear those words? . . .

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angofbew Posted: 20.08.2007, 17:44

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You oh pompous and arrogant one brought that upon yourself by attacking me.
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Eddie-C Posted: 20.08.2007, 17:57

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Hey! Look on the bright side: at least you now know how to spell 'pompuss' . . . errrrr . . . 'pompus' errrr . . .! Don't bother to thank me icon_smile

Not an attack on you, O orthographically challenged one, but on your use of English.

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Jtreworth Posted: 20.08.2007, 18:10

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angofbewYou oh pompous and arrogant one brought that upon yourself by attacking me.


It is quite embarassing that these people are not skilled enough in English (Sawsnek)to insult you Eddie, or anyone else. A little misguided in their hostility by linguistics. This angofbew chap seems like Goky in his tone but he cant be.

Childish all of it.

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Jtreworth Posted: 20.08.2007, 18:14

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angofbewCan we please cut out all the personal attacks. It is not helping in any way, and continues to broaden the gap between the Camps.


I totally agree, O Smithly One! Perhaps we might avoid such gratuitous insults as 'prat', 'shit' and 'dickhead' on these threads, eh?

Now, where did I last hear those words? . . .


Funny when you think about it. These words come from someone that has talked down to others for their flame-wars and insults and they say some of the worst words so far on these threads! 'Angofbew', 'Flammnew' and few others here are very hypocrital it seems....or is it an oxymoron?

Sorry you had to be called this Eddie, but we all have had our share of abuse here. We just need to form a phalanx and fight back when needed.

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marhak Posted: 20.08.2007, 18:26

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No, I can't leave it alone when people have been falsely accused and the culprit isn't man enough to apologise.
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Eddie-C Posted: 20.08.2007, 18:30

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Ah, Marhak, the problem isn't that you can't 'leave it alone', it's that you support one of the wrong orthographies, don'cha know!

If you were a KK supporter, your excrement would be anosmic, or --if you prefer-- yer poo wouldna pong!

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Nosdan Posted: 20.08.2007, 19:07

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Why is there always someone trying to get the last jibe in?


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goky Posted: 20.08.2007, 21:04

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Eddie the Clown are know you are a bit challanged in the brain department but this is a forum regarding Cornwall and the Cornish Language, not about English.
Just thought I would let you know.

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angofbew Posted: 20.08.2007, 21:27

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OK I have had it with you two low life pieces of Scum. Who the hell do you think you are talking to People the way you do. We try to not be so offensive as you, because we have manners, something you two obviously do not have. All either of you have done is come in here, throw your pathetic tantrums about how you are right, and everyone elso who does not agree with you are wrong. It is no wonder the KK Camp want nothing to do with you pathetic speimens of Humanity. You do your side no favours, and where I was open to what the SWF should be, I now find myself 100% on the KK side. I am thankfully in a position where I might be able to bring some pressure to bear with the right People. As for you two, the writing is on the wall.
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Eddie-C Posted: 20.08.2007, 22:30

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In traditional Celtic society, the smith was held in a position of respect, both for his wisdom and for the arcane craft of which he was master.

Alas, in these diminished latter days he seems to have dwindled to a mere bag of hot air. And empty threats, of course. Look at the language used:
The Living Smith'lowlife pieces of Scum . . . who the hell do you think you are . . . pathetic tantrums . . . pathetic specimens of Humanity . . . pressure to bear on the right People . . . writing is on the wall'.

Yes, it's plain to see that you 'have manners', just like you claim, unlike such unlettered yahoos as I, who am unable to reach your rarefied heights of politeness.

By the way, I just love your innovative use of initial capitals. Would you like to explain to us 'pathetic specimens' the underlying style guide you work from? Is it Victorian novelists like Jane Austen who have influenced you, or is this some spontaneous concoction of your own, perhaps?

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