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DEWGELL Posted: 25.09.2007, 18:38

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MY map of England begins with this........

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x208/andythekilt/Firsthomes.jpg

Oll a'n gwella!

Dewgell dhe'n gallos sawson.
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sirdhume Posted: 25.09.2007, 18:46



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Can you give me a reference for this map please.



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marhak Posted: 25.09.2007, 18:52

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How can a map of England begin with the Romans? There was NO England until half a millenium after they left in 410 AD.

Unfortunately, there is nothing to see at Magor. I know to the inch where the villa was (and presumably still is) but it is buried under a currently farmed field.

It was probably not built by a Roman (and very few of the Romans in Britain were, in fact, Roman - just citizens and soldiers of the Roman Empire. They came from all over the place: Sarmatia, Spain, Gaul etc.)because there wasn't a right angle in the place, no hypocaust and very little of the features one would normally expect from a Roman villa. The best suggestion is that it was built by a native Cornishman who had worked for the Romans in Exeter (Isca Dumnoniorum)and, on retirement, had a go at building what he'd seen there.
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DEWGELL Posted: 25.09.2007, 19:02

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QuoteCan you give me a reference for this map please.



Gardiner's Atlas of English History 1904


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x208/andythekilt/Gardinersschoolatalasfrontispiece.jpg

When scholars sought the truth!








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Oll a'n gwella!

DEWGELL (dhe'n gallos sawsnek)
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x208/andythekilt/CORNISH/avatar1.jpg
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sirdhume Posted: 25.09.2007, 19:15



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QuoteHow can a map of England begin with the Romans?


If you look at the Roman forts and walls you see a clear divide between places such as Scotland, this surely emphasizes what must be the beginning of what we now know as England.
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marhak Posted: 25.09.2007, 19:38

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Wishful thinking, Sirdhume. Hadrian's Wall signified the northern limit of the Roman Empire. Or did England occupy the whole of that empire's conquered lands, too? Sigh.
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sirdhume Posted: 25.09.2007, 19:54



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It was once the border between England and Scotland and must represent the beginning of England within Britain. Or is this not the case if so how did we arrive at the current border between Scotland and England?





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TGG Posted: 26.09.2007, 02:50

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sirdhume - Posted: 25.09.2007, 19:54
It was once the border between England and Scotland and must represent the beginning of England within Britain. Or is this not the case if so how did we arrive at the current border between Scotland and England?

The beginnings of 'what became England' began in what is now Kent (mid 5th century) and spread North and West. Its northern extremity (which can only define an end rather than a beginning) has nothing to do with the Roman Period but simply came to an end when the cost and effort to encroach further north became untenable due to the resistance they met from the north.

TGG For The (Real)Reason Why!

STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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marhak Posted: 26.09.2007, 07:33

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It would be more accurate to say that, as a boundary feature, Hadrian's Wall represented the beginnings of what we now call Scotland (then Caledonia).
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TheElvenLord Posted: 26.09.2007, 20:36

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Didnt the English have control of Scotland (caledonia , alban , pictland , it has many names) for a time , until some rebels took back over it , and then , supposedly , when they finally came to an agreement they decied that The wall should be the boundry.
Im no historian in scottish history so thats jsut a guess.But logically the boundary is wheree the wall is becasue A) if the scottish became enemies again theres a half built wall to work from
B) its the shorthest point from East to West

Again these are just guesses so feel welcome to say they are wrong.

Anyway , back on subject , The English never actually took over kernow through fore or annexation.
I have a map dating 1669 (sold in penzance) and it has all the cornish names on there.
It says Kernow , just North of Kernow , it says "The county of Devonshire and England"

If you look , where are the staight roads that were trademark of the romans , where is the Roman names of the towns?Where are the other trademarks of the Roman era on our beautuiful landscape. The first thing the Romans did in their Era was to Build roads as straight as you can get , which you can see in almost all roman towns. But drive around cornwall , and the roads twist and turn.

TEL



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marhak Posted: 26.09.2007, 20:58

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Cornwall has one Roman fort and five "milestones" (actually waymarks dedicated to the Emperor of the time). The fort (Nanstallon, Bodmin) was built very early on in the Roman occupation anmd abandoned after only 20-25 years, never to be used again. The waymarks were on ancient native routes. Not a Roman road in sight. Apart from finds of Roman coins and imported Samian ware pottery and amphorae, there are no definite signs of any Roman presence other than traders.
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sirdhume Posted: 26.09.2007, 22:48



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If you look at the concentration of Roman forts in any place in Britain you see just where the threats would have been to them, not much in the Southwest. And it is well documented that they made there way in the southwest of Britain.

I have today made contact and spoken to a number/group of metal detector enthusiast who find Roman coin all the time all over Cornwall, what could this tell us about the Romans and Cornwall?

Also just outside of Helston there is a apparently a church that has a roman tablet build in the wall!
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marhak Posted: 26.09.2007, 23:00

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That Romanised Britain (rather than Romans themselves)did a lot of trading with Cornwall, much of it by sea.

You must be thinking of Breage where a Roman 'milestone' stands inside the church. It's the only stone dedicated to the Emperor Postumus to survive anywhere in Britain and its inscription (translated) reads: the Emperor Caesar our Lord Marcus Cassianius Latinius Postumus, pious, fortunate, august. This will date from 258-268 AD.



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Mike Posted: 26.09.2007, 23:03

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QuoteI have today made contact and spoken to a number/group of metal detector enthusiast who find Roman coin all the time all over Cornwall, what could this tell us about the Romans and Cornwall?


They had holes in their pockets? icon_smile


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sirdhume Posted: 27.09.2007, 15:08



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And then we have the Roman Forte at Nanstallon.
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