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Nosdan Posted: 16.04.2007, 10:35

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maybe its deteriating in parallel with erosion of Cornish cultural awareness and the increasing Anglo suppression from Quangos who have a vested interest in denuding the Cornish and anglicising cornwall for the sake of the English incomers and sympathisers who live there.

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TGG Posted: 16.04.2007, 12:00

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Diane - Posted: 16.04.2007, 10:24
... I do use the TIC, but nothing much happens there, the BBC is usually closed when I look in. When I joined here, there was a variety of topics, but now no matter what anyone starts it's always gets taken over by the dominators. It used to be good on here but it's been taken over. I don't think I'm the only one who feels like this.

I agree with Diane on the matter of thread indiscipline and we are all also guilty of it even if it is because we might be being dragged there screaming. icon_frown

Perhaps there needs to be some rules of engagement whereby anything that touches on, or attempts to digress to, an existing thread topic, is referenced only as a link to the existing thread?

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frenchie Posted: 16.04.2007, 12:05



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The forum mod on thisisnotengland.co.uk will delete you post if you go off thread. If you talk crap they delete your membership.

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Diane Posted: 17.04.2007, 10:30

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frenchieThe forum mod on thisisnotengland.co.uk will delete you post if you go off thread. If you talk crap they delete your membership.


That would go well on here, getting rid of all the crap..... Bliss icon_cool
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chris Posted: 17.04.2007, 20:14

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OK, I have an idea.

I'm going to start trying to direct topics to more appropriate sections of the board.
I'll rename the Cornwall Questions board to something more general and this will be more actively moderated. Anything that becomes to combative on there will be moved over to this board.
Also there is the Cornwall Lite board where posters should feel free to post anything inane without being subject to too much scrutiny.

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Mike Posted: 17.04.2007, 20:34

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Can you explain that a little more Chris?
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 29.04.2007, 15:29

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Its a little bit more official! icon_wink

Lady Mary Holborow the Lord Lieutenant of Cornwall and representative of the Queen in Cornwall has made frequent referrences to the territory of Cornwall as a Duchy in an interview in this edition (April/May No 51) of Cornish World.

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 29.04.2007, 16:03

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Then we have Lord Teverson with the words 'Cornwall is a nation, a duchy and, of course, a county as well': http://www.they...1-25a.1206.7

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 05.06.2007, 19:26

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Looking at the Bona Vicantia website I found the following: http://www.bonavacantia.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=1324

v) If the company's last registered office and the asset was in the Duchies of Cornwall or Lancashire its assets fall to be dealt with by Messrs Farrer & Co, Solicitors, of 66 Lincolns Inn Fields, London WC2A 3LH. The Duchy of Cornwall comprises the County of Cornwall. The Duchy of Lancaster comprises the Counties of Lancashire, Merseyside and parts of Greater Manchester, Cheshire and Cumbria. Further details as to the precise boundaries of the Duchy can be obtained from the Duchy Office, 1 Lancaster Place, Strand, London WC2E 7ED (tel: 020 7836 8277).

That seems to sum it up really, Cornwall is a Duchy, just need to get this out to all interested now. Feel free to pass this on to all interested.


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morvran Posted: 06.06.2007, 02:04

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I'm afraid I don't see the significance of this. The duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster are hangovers from feudal times. A duchy is/was the next level down from the the kingdom. These two duchies were set up so that they always belonged to the Crown anyway, or to the next in line, and got a special deal whereby certain rights that normally belong to the Crown were farmed out to them. The territory held by the Duke of Cornwall happens to correspond with the 'county' of Cornwall, whereas the land that comes under the Duchy of Lancaster is Lancashire and a bit more.

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Nosdan Posted: 06.06.2007, 04:01

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This has every point. At every oppertunity Big ears is saying, The duchy of Cornwall is a private estate run for the benefit of the Duke of Cornwall. He continually denies that Cornwall (the whole nation of) is the duchy, yet when it suites him, he claims Bona vicantia wherevere in Cornwall, claims mineral right in the rest of Cornwall and a number of other things.

If its a private estate, how can he have the right to claim these things???

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morvran Posted: 07.06.2007, 15:09

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Nosdan, go to the library and find a textbook on Land Law. Somewhere about p4 it will tell you that all the land of England belongs to the Crown, everyone else is a tenant of the Crown. If you have a fee simple then that tenancy lasts as long as there is someone to inherit. If there isn't then the holding reverts to the Crown. Once upon a time you held your land of the Crown via a long chain of feudal intermediaries, but that was all pretty much forgotten at the end of the middle ages. In Cornwall however, the Duchy comes in between the individual and the Crown. So rights that are normally held by the Crown are farmed out to the Duke.

What difference does it make to you or me whether we're lorded over by Liz or by Charlie? Isn't it really rather a good thing that the Duke has quietly forgotten about most of his rights under the charter? We do at least get some democratic rights, justice etc (for whatever they may be worth) by being treated as part of the UK. If Charles took up his right to kick all the Crown bodies and officers out of Cornwall, then where should we be? Does the charter give any guaranteed rights and freedoms to the Cornish People? Given it's date, I suspect not (but I could be wrong!).

Would the Welsh be any the better off if the marcher lordships were still in place? The Welsh got their civil rights by being made Englishmen when Wales was annexed. They swung a deal with the Tudors and got a Welsh Bible. The Cornish rebelled and well, the rest is history ... icon_frown

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 08.06.2007, 12:20

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Cornwall is not an English county but a constitutional Duchy. I would argue that one of the reasons for its creation was to recognise the Cornish people AND their land as apart. This is still the case.

A simple English county has no argument for devolution. A constitutional duchy with indiginous national minority has a very strong argument for more real political autonomy.

As to what would happen if the the Duchy and its law where re-activated in Cornwall, well considering the current climate of democracy, human rights and european intergration (that have existed since the war) I don't think the Duke would risk setting-up a little absolutist state.
You would probably see public debate followed by referendum.

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 08.06.2007, 17:34

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To put in another way, which of the following situations would benefit the Cornish (ethno) territorial identity and which would damage it. The promotion and us of such terms as:

1)'Westcountry', 'South West Region', 'Devon and Cornwall' etc.

or

2) 'The Duchy of Cornwall', 'Duchy' etc

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Nosdan Posted: 08.06.2007, 21:46

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QuoteSo rights that are normally held by the Crown are farmed out to the Duke.
However seeing as the Crown never actually conquered/annexed Cornwall formally, it would seem its the other way round. Its always held by the Duke if there is no Duke the crown looks after it until a new one arrives.

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