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Palores	Posted: 19.02.2008, 18:14
registered: Apr. 2007 Posts: 234 Status: offline last visit: 15.05.08	Evertype'Greeted' is dynerghys at RD 1628, but of course Keith suppresses this information. Because it is irrelevant. <nn> is reduced to <n> here (and elsewhere) because it is unstressed. Nance did not understand this, and failing to appreciate the significance of <nn> at PC.2195, misspelled the word. We now suffer the effects of this mistake more than 50 years later.


Evertype	Posted: 19.02.2008, 18:20
registered: Mar. 2007 Posts: 976 Status: offline last visit: 16.05.08	Uh hunh. That's why geminate consonants are all the rage amongst KK speakers. Including Ken George. Listen to Matthew's interview with him. He does not say ['kɛm:ın]. He says['kɛmın].


goky	Posted: 19.02.2008, 18:31
registered: May. 2007 Posts: 1260 Status: offline last visit: 16.05.08	I have a lisp, can I have my own side form /?? Blog Gokki,(Gokky's Blog)Skodhyewgh An Furv Skrifys Savonek ! Kernewek rag an Gour Gwir updated.


morvran	Posted: 19.02.2008, 18:53
registered: Mar. 2007 Posts: 915 Status: offline last visit: 17.05.08	If you can say n and m, and you can say dn and bm, then why should it suddenly become almost impossible (according to some) for English speakers to do nn and mm, since these sounds fall somewhere between the single consonants and the 'preoccluded' Late Cornish forms? If you and all the other outside 'experts' think we're not speaking Cornish properly why don't you use your experience of 1,001 other languages to help teach us to do it right? You could offer a phonetics workshop to our teachers for example. But no, you, Trond, and all the others clever experts prefer to mock us rather than help us. But this should not surprise us here in Cornwall. Taking the piss out of the Cornish Language Revival is a venerable academic passtime. These days language revival/revitalisation is all the rage and top-rate linguists are to be found working with minority communities worldwide. Not here though, we're cursed with an outmoded narrow-minded antiquarian mindset. Elsewhere linguists strive to get the locals trained and working to save their own heritage. Here we've had to do it all ourselves, and all we get for our pains is academic is scorn. Michael, you clearly have no intention of being part of the solution, so please just go away and stop being part of the problem. Yours is a dog-in-the-manger attitude -- you can't win, all you can do is spoil things for the majority.


Pokorny	Posted: 19.02.2008, 19:39
registered: Apr. 2007 Posts: 206 Status: offline last visit: 09.04.08	Why do you think Trond mocks you?


Bardh	Posted: 19.02.2008, 20:47
registered: May. 2007 Posts: 822 Status: offline last visit: 16.05.08	EgloshalWhatever... piffle... all languages change meanings of words over quite short periods... just look at the word 'gay'. In this instance, the word 'Dynnargh' now means 'welcome' or 'greetings' whatever its exact meaning was in the past. Excisely and perzactly!


morvran	Posted: 19.02.2008, 20:47
registered: Mar. 2007 Posts: 915 Status: offline last visit: 17.05.08	1. You will have seen the questionare he sent out to advisors regarding gemination and a few other points. His attitude was patronising and biased. If you refer to the responses by the advisors you will see that one set of advisors agreed almost entirely with Trond's starting position, while the other team disagreed with nearly every point. It doesn't matter which group was which. If his starting position coincided almost exactly with one faction, what confidence can we place in his neutrality? 2. The Commissioners did not think it worthwhile consulting with the various language groups. This implies that they held us in contempt. Without spending an hour or two talking with members of each organisation, how were they expected to judge the calibre of the people they were dealing with. How can we have confidence that they did not misunderstand the submissions (easy to do) or jump to false conclusions due to lack of background information? 3. The Commission's 'Report' was all spin and no content. They did not sumarise the data or explain how they reached the conclusion that no existing form was viable. I do not believe they took their job seriously. I think they probably considered Cornish a bit of a joke. Some years ago that might not have been surprising, but for the last couple of decades linguists have been taking language loss/restoration very seriously. Not Cornish though, or so it would seem to me.

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